Epsik-kun Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 13 hours ago, -BM-Leonhart said: Lol, Katanas are about the most different thing from a Bastard Sword. A Bastard Sword is very similar to a Longsword, so a straight, heavier, double edged sword (and with proper guard) that can be used one-handed, but recommended as two-handed. >Lol Dear, a bastard sword is a sword with the blade you would expect to see on a one-handed sword and with the hilt you'd expect to see on a long sword. There are curved bastard swords, double-edged bastard swords, bastard swords with and without a guard. It isn't a strict term - it's an overall description. In many cases there's no way to distinguish a bastard sword from a long sword. Also, "heavier" is a pointless word. There are one-handed swords, that are heavier than long swords. And even they are very light. Anyway, "the most different thing from a Bastard Sword" is a sword with a long hilt dedicated for the two-hand grip and a relatively short blade. Reminds anything? And if you are trying to use historical terminology here - just so you know, there were no strict terminology considering swords. In historical term "long sword" you can fit even a rapier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pro3Display Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, Epsik-kun said: >Lol Dear, a bastard sword is a sword with the blade you would expect to see on a one-handed sword and with the hilt you'd expect to see on a long sword. There are curved bastard swords, double-edged bastard swords, bastard swords with and without a guard. It isn't a strict term - it's an overall description. In many cases there's no way to distinguish a bastard sword from a long sword. Also, "heavier" is a pointless word. There are one-handed swords, that are heavier than long swords. And even they are very light. Anyway, "the most different thing from a Bastard Sword" is a sword with a long hilt dedicated for the two-hand grip and a relatively short blade. Reminds anything? And if you are trying to use historical terminology here - just so you know, there were no strict terminology considering swords. In historical term "long sword" you can fit even a rapier. your use of the term "long sword" was really awkward to me so i went to check...so i sorta confirm your post with a few corrections you use term "long sword" as in "two handed sword" what i always believed is that there were in the order of descent: two-handed 1.5-handed long sword (one-handed) short sword. (obviously one-handed) i also dare to wikiquote: "The term two-handed sword, used as a general term, may refer to any large sword designed to be used primarily with two hands: The term "hand-and-a-half sword" is modern (late 19th century).During the first half of the 20th century, the term "bastard sword" was used regularly to refer to this type of sword, while "long sword" or "long-sword", if used at all, referred to the rapier (in the context of Renaissance or Early Modern fencing). The term "single-handed sword" (or "one-handed sword") is a retronym coined to disambiguate from "two-handed" or "hand-and-a-half" specimens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_of_swords " and according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longsword 1.5-handed ones are now referred to as long swords "The term "longsword" is ambiguous, and refers to the "bastard sword" only where the late medieval to Renaissance context is implied bastard sword originate in the 15th or 16th century, originally in the general sense of "irregular sword, sword of uncertain origin", but by the mid-16th century could refer to exceptionally large swords" so apparently if everyone could differ 2 handed swords from one-handed ones easily, there were problems in determining the difference between 1.5 and 2handed ones as i see zweihander being called a longsword while it is a two-handed sword Edited June 13, 2016 by Pro3Display Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-N7-Leonhart Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 9 hours ago, Epsik-kun said: >Lol Dear, a bastard sword is a sword with the blade you would expect to see on a one-handed sword and with the hilt you'd expect to see on a long sword. There are curved bastard swords, double-edged bastard swords, bastard swords with and without a guard. It isn't a strict term - it's an overall description. In many cases there's no way to distinguish a bastard sword from a long sword. Also, "heavier" is a pointless word. There are one-handed swords, that are heavier than long swords. And even they are very light. Anyway, "the most different thing from a Bastard Sword" is a sword with a long hilt dedicated for the two-hand grip and a relatively short blade. Reminds anything? And if you are trying to use historical terminology here - just so you know, there were no strict terminology considering swords. In historical term "long sword" you can fit even a rapier. No, absolutely not. A Bastard sword is not just any 'bigger' sword. A Bastard sword is a very specific type of european sword, and it's never linked to any curved or single edged swords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epsik-kun Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 1 hour ago, -BM-Leonhart said: is a very specific type It is not. You should stop getting your info from video games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-N7-Leonhart Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 At the very least, it's NOT: 1. A katana / any eastern sword 2. A curved sword Try googling "Bastard Sword", then "Katana". You're downplaying both of them by placing them in the same non-existent category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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