U9 Is Insane For Beginners

[tsubasakuroi]

At the moment all I can think of for you guys is to get a standard Braton, max out Piercing hit (thankfully that's a common mod) because Armor Piercing is absolutely essential against Grineer.

 

Not sure if anyone else had mentioned that yet or not.

[Ced23Ric]

Yeah.

 

Saturn used to be linked to Mercury, starting at level 3 to 8, going up to 5 to 10, if my memory serves me right. After that, Venus at 10 to 16 was just right. If that has been upset, it needs to be addressed. That is the reason why people kept telling you to go there.

 

@EirikAura: For 20,000 Credits (or 25,000 - someone correct me if I am wrong) you can purchase the Braton, which is a tremendous upgrade from the Mk.1 Braton. I suggested the Latron because you said you wanted to do "recon/sniper". The Braton is, only bested by the Braton Prime, one of the best weapons in the game and easily obtainable. Try your hand at that.

 

PS: Keep the Mk.1 Braton, though, and finish it one day. Every rank in a weapon gives 100 masterys points (the first time you get that level on that weapon), for 3000 mastery per maxed weapon.

 

Hope this answers some questions and helps.

[Frostmire]

Getting level 3(or higher)  redirection and vitality is also essential for low level frame , your abilities don't matter that much until higher level . I can manage to survive well in level 30+ with a level 5 redirection and no vitality so i don't see why can't you . And those mods are not rare , they can be obtained easily .

 

Kinda suprised how Saturn was that easy , i only started to go there after finishing my trip from Venus to Earth

Edited July 15, 2013 by Frostmire

[RealityMachina]

As a 39 year old gamer that still has his Atari 2600, you embarrass me with your inability to play this, arguably easy, game.  Good day.

Hey, buddy?

 

This is a terrible way to try to get people to stick with warframe.

 

I mean this is nearly on par with advising someone that they should have tried using a warframe that they're not going get for several hours at the absolute minimum if they wanted to focus on melee combat on a game constantly advertised as a space ninja game, with the implication that there are in fact, alternatives to gunplay in cover shooters like ME3 MP or Ghost Recon Future Soldier.

[ParadigmFallen]

Sigh. Read the rest of the thread. Saturn is not available. No link. Bloody stupid to tell us - continually! - to go to a planet we cannot get to. Apparently you could once, but not now. Also, we're being told to farm in mercury by the other half of people - those not telling us to go to Saturn. Except farming when the enemies rank faster that we do even on the baby missions is just not fun at all. Trust me on that.

 

Re: Melee and Ranged. Come on, we're not 2 year olds! We both use ALL the weapons and mods we can to the best of our abilities, the melee/ranged thing is more personal choice, we hit at whatever range we can. I headshot more, Drac melee kills more.

 

Yes, many people have said about the mastery/gear levels - RTFT

 

"Go for the Latron". Can't get the Latron, needs things we can't get as we can't, y'know, get to SATURN. Or, in fact, Mars. Which is where you get plastids and salvage. Not Mercury or Venus.

 

" as if you are rushing into the open, with fresh gear, and wonder why you are being gunned down" - Again, we're not 2-year-olds. We are in our 40's and have been gaming since the Atari 2600. We know how to duck and our brains have not yet begun the failings of old age. All you have done is come across as condescending and superior. I doubt you meant to, but you have. Please, read the f£%$ing thread before offering out-of-date and insulting advice.

...I'm sorry. As a member of the Warframe community, I'm sorry. You and your wife should not be getting this BS, and it gives me flashbacks to my first time trying to stick it out on the forums. I'm afraid certain members have a habit of talking down to anyone who doesn't immediately know everything. I'm 100% in agreement with you about the Nightmare difficulties poping up -- I got a good number of levels done in the closed beta so the nightmare versions activated without me even knowing. It sucks, and I have to believe the devs will fix it in time. All I can say is that yes, grinding is a key aspect for your Warframes right now, based on what I've been reading. Once you get to the next star system and start fighting the Corpus, the difficulty curve should improve as they are a lot better balanced than the Grineer. I hope you guys still give the game a try despite some of the idiots today and the hiccups resulting from the game still being in beta, as it's probably one of the best action-brawler-platforming-shooter hybrids I've ever had the pleasure of playing.

 

If you guys ever need an archer-pistoleer or just a higher-rank player to get you through the tougher sections, let me know.

[CorrTerek]

Yeah.

 

Saturn used to be linked to Mercury, starting at level 3 to 8, going up to 5 to 10, if my memory serves me right. After that, Venus at 10 to 16 was just right. If that has been upset, it needs to be addressed. That is the reason why people kept telling you to go there.

 

 

They shouldn't be, though. Saturn's difficulty was increased. Level range is in the 20s now, and not 10-14 or whatever it used to be. Earth, on the other hand, has been ranked lower. So now, proper progression should be Mercury>Venus>Earth. But of course people haven't been looking at what the newbies have to go through, it's much more fun to tell them "lrn2play". 

 

Newbies have a point, and it's not just about the UI. The game was arbitrarily ramped up in difficulty and a lot of what used to be starter areas are much more difficult than they used to be. The tutorial is no help (I don't think there's any information in it that wasn't in the old tutorial, and the old tutorial was hilariously barebones) and if I'm understanding them correctly Nightmare Mode is not only not toggleable but is also showing up on missions that have not yet been completed. 

 

Very disturbing for what was supposed to be a "polish" update. 

 

And, by the by, I'm seeing a lot of people dismissing the OP's claims that the game is pretty rough for newbies by talking about how they can handle it just fine, then revealing that they used non-starter low-leveled frames (seriously, Ash? Mr. "I'm fast and have more armor and a better first skill than two out of the three starter frames"?) and armor-ignoring weapons (yes, I imagine Grineer would be significantly easier if you use a Snipetron or Bo, seeing as the Grineer's armor is effectively useless against them and the Bo staggers them). And then there's the "I know what you're going through now because I was a newbie two updates ago."

 

What the hell, guys? 

 

MK1-Braton, Skana, and Lato. All unranked, all unpotato'd. Mag, Loki, and Excalibur. All unranked, all unpotato'd. If you're not running those you don't have any idea what newbies have to deal with. And even if you do run those, you still have the benefit of prior knowledge -- what spots to aim for, how to complete certain objectives, what the skull on the map means...

 

Try to show a little empathy, please.  

[GetAtMeMods]

Yea they upped it a bit. Now, It's literally impossible to play on ceres,pluto or xini without a potato.

[EirikAura]

Thank you ParadigmFallen :)

[RealityMachina]

*snip*

I wish I could like this post a bajillion more times. :(

 

And I'll second ParadigmFallen's offer as well, it's the least I can offer while you two are having trouble with the new maps.

Edited July 15, 2013 by RealityMachina

[Ace_Player]

I wish I could like this post a bajillion more times. :(

 

And I'll second ParadigmFallen's offer as well, it's the least I can offer while you two are having trouble with the new maps.

 

Welcome! Don't worry, they will tweak some issues in the next week or so. I assume they'll allow us to turn off Nightmare mode.

Whenever you see a "Level 3-7" area, that generally means that a group of 4 Tenno , each ranked level 5ish should find the content doable without too much difficulty. Two people should be around level 10 in order to finish them.

Now, when you are talking about "Rank 0", that refers to your Mastery level (Upper right hand corner of menu screen). Right now, Mastery rank is only for bragging rights and getting certain weapons. Your Warframe and weapons should be close to level 10 by the time you are done with Mercury (Maybe a bit higher after this last update).

Also, I really suggest doing bosses with a group, instead of just you and your wife as they can be TOUGH.

Goodluck!

PS: Here is a link to how Mastery works, as well as how Levelling works.

http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Mastery_Rank

http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Warframes   (Scroll down to Levelling Up)

http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Affinity

Edited July 15, 2013 by Ace_Player

[CorrTerek]

Now that I've gotten my rant out of the way, I'd like to offer some help/suggestions. 

 

Other people have mentioned the various mods you might find useful. Redirection and Vitality are pretty much staples of any warframe. They'll increase your shields and health by a significant amount. 

 

Your abilities may or may not be worth slotting at this point in time, depending on what frame you're using. Mag's first ability (Pull) is pretty meh, and Loki's (Decoy, iirc) is helpful but better if you have his second ability (Invisibility) as well. Excalibur, of course, gets a useful ability right off the bat (Slash Dash).  

 

Make sure your mods match the polarities of the mod slots! Each mod has a symbol in the top-right corner. If you slot that mod into a mod slot with a matching symbol, the mod will only cost half as many mod points to equip. You get mod points by leveling up your weapons and frames. If your warframe is level 9 you should have nine available. This is enough to equip a rank 1 Slash Dash and rank 4 Redirection and Vitality (though you could of course choose to rank up Slash Dash and go with less of the other two). 

 

As for your weapons, I have a few recommendations. For the melee-user I recommend buying the Duel Ether blueprint from the store. Dual Ether can be easily constructed using materials found in Venus and Mercury (they don't drop much right now, but that's a bug that's supposed to be fixed today). It has armor-ignore as an innate feature (you will do full damage to Grineer at all times, as opposed to doing reduced damage due to their heavy armor) and deal 3x damage to light infested (Chargers, Runners, Leapers). They also stagger enemies who are not immune to stagger (they will stagger all infested except bosses, iirc, and any grineer except the heavies) hit multiple enemies, and attack very fast. 

 

There are currently no "exceptional" options for primary weapon -- thanks to Saturn's level range being increased both the Burston and the Latron are out of your reach at the moment. The Braton is a straight upgrade from the MK1, so you'll probably end up going with that. Once you reach Mastery Rank 2 you'll be able to build the Boltor (which I heavily recommend) but that may be a ways off. 

 

There is a similar problem for secondary weapons -- the Saturn change puts one of the best sidearms (the Kunai) out of your reach for the moment. However, you can still build the Kraken. It fires slower than the Lato but fires two shots at a time, each of which hit for around 40 damage before armor and such is taken into account. Since you are likely going to be using a high fire-rate primary weapon, you might find the Kraken useful. 

 

Getting back to mods for a second: there are four damage types for weapons. Armor-Piercing (not armor ignore, there's a difference), Freeze, Fire, and Electric. Each damage type has its own effects and increased effectiveness against a type of enemy.

 

Armor-Piercing mods (Piercing Hit for rifles, No Return for secondary, Sundering Strike for melee) do very well against Grineer.

 

Freeze mods (Cryo Rounds for rifles, Deep Freeze for secondary, North Wind for melee) drop shields quicker and also slow enemies down -- this is great for crowd control and I recommend it especially for the melee user. 

 

Fire mods (Hellfire for rifles, Heated Charge for secondary, Molten Impact for melee) are especially strong against Infested. 

 

Electric mods (Stormbringer for rifles, Convulsion for secondary, Shocking Touch for melee) stun most enemies briefly and stun Corpus for longer in addition to doing extra damage against them. 

 

That's about all for now, except to recommend that you follow the Warframe Alert twitter (https://twitter.com/WarframeAlerts) and be on the lookout for Orokin Reactor/Catalysts (which double your available mod points when applied to your frame/weapon). 

[yarash2110]

i agree... have you seen the first boss? he can kill a level 30 rhino easily

[KyubiBlaze]

KyubiBlaze

just add me I'll help you newbies run through...

mostly online all time

and I read something like wife is melee specialist , and you are a sniper..., so a suggestion , dude beginners are expected to spam with bullets from medium range , why you go in with meele when you have no defense yet, and sniping, dude a level 1 guy does not have a sniper, sniping with your rifle is umm... retard...

and yeh it's become tough with U9 , but it's a team game , 4 players are more than enough

[azmyth1]

Locking Nightmare until Mastery rank 2 or so is a great idea.  The could also add a warning note in the loading screen so people know what they are getting themselves into.  The red background is cool, but crypic.

 

I thought they said nightmare was supposed to lock until you were higher level, so maybe this is a bug?  I like the higher difficulty on Pluto/Ceres etc., but Mercury/Venus/Mars should be a cakewalk just so people have a low level place to go if they don't feel like slogging through a super-hard mission.  Both sides can be accommodated!

 

P.S.: If you need a co-op teammate feel free to friend me as well.  I don't mind showing new players around.

Edited July 15, 2013 by azmyth1

[NovusNiveus]

i agree... have you seen the first boss? he can kill a level 30 rhino easily

 

I happen to have a Lv30 Rhino, so I decided to test this hypothesis.

 

Let us just say that rumors of Vor's vaunted ferocity are...

 

Greatly...

 

Exaggerated.

 

Now, of course, Vor is no trivial matter for a new player, but for a Level 30 frame (at least in my experience) he's a pushover.

 

To put this into perspective, I was using a lv30 frame, a lv22 Shotgun and a Lv30 sidearm, and the normal grineer on Tolstoj were Level 4. I couldn't kill any of them because my Sentinel could do it in one shot.

 

You'll also notice that even Rhino can outrun his void beam without sprinting.

 

Edit: Before somebody misinterprets the sentiment of this post, I am not one of those 'Well, everything is easy when you have maxed gear. What's the problem?' people. I am simply making a counterpoint to the quoted statement, and an observation that Vor's stage seems to scale perfectly reasonably - it seems that Vor himself is the only thing on Tolstoj that scales at all.

 

As such, I would recommend it for early-game levelling on that basis - anyone can kill level 4 grineer.

Edited July 15, 2013 by UnearthedArcana

[Cpl_Facehugger]

and they change the system so we can't do them over to up our levels.

What? I farm levels repeatedly all the time. I don't understand what you mean.

Personally, I think nightmare mode should be optional, similar to how alerts were optional instead of replacing a given mission for a set period of time. Because yeah, my first nightmare mode mission was in mercury, and it featured level 30 elite lancers with burstons and shields. Now, I'm mastery 7 so this didn't particularly bother me, but I can totally see how it's totally unfriendly to newbies.

[NovusNiveus]

One thing I forgot to mention yesterday, Eirik and Drac...

 

We did run two Nightmare Mode missions yesterday, both successful, if you recall. You both should have received a powerful mod from each mission (it's guaranteed, 100%, that you get a special mod in Nightmare).

 

If you can equip those, they are very effective and will make you much more powerful - mods from Nightmare Mode give two bonuses instead of one, and stack with regular mods that offer the same bonus.

Edited July 15, 2013 by UnearthedArcana

[Troublechutor]

I am many things. Gaming is a pastime, not a lifetime. You, however are an arrogant cretin with - possibly - good motor skills. I see no need for further discussion with you.

200 hours vs. 2 hours in Warframe, and you've been lecturing everyone about how impossible it is. 

 

I'm not arrogant, I'm experienced... which if you want to go back to my first post (and second) were attempts to help you, but you reject them out of hand because you're bad at games and want someone to shed a tear for you. 

 

No further discussion?  You never started bro.  Pity party may now continue.  When you get to 200 hours, I'll be looking for you on the forums to see how you handle whiners and defeatists too.   Good day.

[CorrTerek]

200 hours vs. 2 hours in Warframe, and you've been lecturing everyone about how impossible it is. 

 

 

Your 200 hours isn't much help when the point is that the game right now is crushingly difficult for new people. Dismissing the problem with "oh, they're just bad at games" is pretty useless.

[gell]

I can sympathize that the game appears harder for new players. I love to solo in Warframe as well as playing co-op. Warframe has always been a tough game to solo, depending on your gear and the enemies.

 

While the game is tougher now (not even counting nightmare mode), as a new player, your actual disadvantage is not being familiar with the game's specifics. This isn't your fault, as the game does not explain things and many of us have to refer to the wiki for added info. It does mean, though, that you need to take it easy and figure some more things out. A new player has always had it rough in this game if he plays solo (but not as bad with 2+ players, but still kind of tough with 2). You may not know the maps well, you don't know the enemies well (weak/crit spots, patterns), and you may not know about things like damage types and resistances (infested take extra damage from fire, and also 3x damage from slashing attacks; have you even heard of slashing damage or blunt damage?). I'm not blaming you here. I do think it's stuff you'll have to pick up soon though, and hopefully DE will do a lot better at explaining this stuff later.

 

I have a couple clan mates who are not so good at games. I've watched them play, in person. They have 200 hours and still make stupid decisions. Their aim is not bad, but they just don't have good tactics. I'm not sure that's something everyone can overcome. It's real life skill advancement, not fake RPG "skills" you buy, and not everyone has it. I'm not saying this is you (your personal skill is for you to come to terms with), but you might have a low skill cap compared to what DE considers a good median, and Warframe won't excuse that unless you're in a group of 4. Hopefully DE can tune the first 2 planets a bit though, and let nightmare mode allow the more skilled players to play them too.

 

So I do feel your underpowered struggle, but at the same time, solo is always hard with low level gear, and 4 players will always tear the enemies a new one. The game needs a bit more balance here, but for now, keep struggling through. Try to hang back and use cover (there's no cover system, but I mean you can strafe left and right next to the level geometry). Go for headshots. Get an armor piercing mod vs Grineer or Corpus Blockheads. Use fire vs infested. Put freeze on all your weapons if you have it. Conserve ammo by using melee when you have a chance, but not when you're under heavy fire. Stand to the side of a door when you open it. Run past enemies who you don't think you can beat. Put your first warframe energy points into your shield (there's a reason why Redirection is a common mod). You should hopefully be getting 3+ mods every run. Some may yield you 10 or more. If you're getting fewer than 3, you need to kill more enemies (randomness may sometimes screw you, but it's rare not to get at least a few mods per run). Don't bother getting all 4 warframe abilities maxed out early. You don't even need to equip them all. For Excal, equip slash dash only. For Loki, decoy is great. For Volt... well he's got speed. Get those shields up!

 

 

2 days playing, just managed to finish most of the Mercury levels and they change the system so we can't do them over to up our levels. I've only just reached level 1 and the last levels in Mercury are now listed as level 3-7. How are you supposed to gain xp?

 

Just to clarify, since I didn't see anyone else do so (I read the whole thread), the "level 3-7" refers to the level of the enemies. Your mastery rank has nothing to do with the "level" noted on the mission. So what this means is you'll be running into enemies that have a number next to their name, and that number will be a 3, 4, 5, 6, or 7. Those numbers don't really correlate to your own gear, as you max out at rank 30 for any one thing. e.g. Pluto has enemies around level 70, but they don't do way more damage than your own weapon at rank 30. The "level" is special to enemies. Just use it as a gauge for what you can take. I'm pretty sure Mercury was always "level 3-7." If not, it was 3-4, but I mix up my 4s and 7s. Either way, your mid level Excal should be able to handle it, especially if you use some cover and go for headshots.

[arch111]

Id like to add that i got through most levels by running with strong players.

Sure it is not much fun, and i could never keep up, but the game is so open to rushing.

I have a hunch that the overall increase in hp and mobs

is to slow us down, and make farm exploits harder.

Anyway, i ran a few maps since u9, and i cant keeo up!

Does everyone have maxed speedmod?

Cause let ne tell you, that is no fun, and got me dead a few times.

[NovusNiveus]

Id like to add that i got through most levels by running with strong players.

Sure it is not much fun, and i could never keep up, but the game is so open to rushing.

I have a hunch that the overall increase in hp and mobs

is to slow us down, and make farm exploits harder.

Anyway, i ran a few maps since u9, and i cant keeo up!

Does everyone have maxed speedmod?

Cause let ne tell you, that is no fun, and got me dead a few times.

 

It's more to do with technique. I don't use Rush at all, but I can still keep up with the group even with my big stompy RhinoAnd his speed-reducing Thrak helmet.

 

You will be able to move a lot faster if you sprint - and preferably, slide - as much as possible. Learn to ninja flip over long gaps rather than using ziplines, and use parkour creatively to make a bendy path into a straight one - remember that you can run on almost anything that isn't the ceiling.

[Firebat86]

After sloshing through these 10 pages and such, and also yesterday making a brand new account to see what the dealio is, my only concern is the nightmare mode stuff popping up so soon.  As for difficulty:  Took my beloved Excal.  Did my thing, played MPrime 3 times *gasp* since you get the extra mod that generally is useful and for some extra cash/mods/mats/exp.  Did Mercury missions till I had 25k credits (which has been mentioned time and time again in this thread) and bought my Braton.  Got a piercing hit early so that made my Braton even more efficient. And pretty much marched through stuff SOLO. 

 

Sure it was a little more difficult than I remember, but by no means was it impossible as has been mentioned here.  This game is marketed as a TPS/MMO/Dungeon crawler/Co-Op game.  Don't know about you but Diablo/Torchlight and every other dungeon crawler I have to play some stuff over for more EXP better gear etc.  Warframe is no different.  In your posts you make it seem like if you aren't able to move on to another planet or a new map that the worlds going to implode because you aren't progressing.  Just gonna put this out there:  The only difference between a map on Mercury and a map on Ceres is enemy level, spawn density, and HP.  So if you are having issues "progressing" replay missions so you can get cash, get some mods to fuse and some exp on your weapons and frames. 

 

My other gripe is time and time again people have asked what mods/weapons etc you are using and no response then a few posts later its QQ my MK-1 Braton is a pea shooter.  Well yea, its a starter weapon that isn't very good, and people have offered suggestions and asked to help you with mod layouts and what mods to look for and to level first but no response just more QQ.   I think that's the biggest reason why a lot of people have gotten snippy in this thread. 

 

 

Also, the update just came out.  As with any game there's going ot be bugs, and of course this is no different.  If I were a betting man I would go to say that a lot of the current issues and bugs will at least be addressed and/or fleshed out by the hotfix today.  Sure it sucks that you guys just started and hit some nasty bugs, but any game has them and this is BETA (yes I'm going there) so it's to be expected. 

 

So yes, some members of the community are being a bit harsh, but at the same time allow for people to help.  It seems you only wish to play with your wife/husband, but the game is meant to be 4 players, and allowing some people to step in and help you out and show you the ropes should be desired.  I noticed some people have helped, and that's good, but also be a little understanding of the situation. 

 

Edit: Forgot to mention the 50 plat they give you. If you truly enjoy your Excalibur, maybe putting a potato on him wouldn't be such a bad idea? Gives you some more wiggle room for mods etc.

 

Also if you need help IGN is: Firebat86

Edited July 15, 2013 by Firebat86

[Troublechutor]

Your 200 hours isn't much help when the point is that the game right now is crushingly difficult for new people. Dismissing the problem with "oh, they're just bad at games" is pretty useless.

Its not crushingly difficult... that's the point.

 

Again, go read my first two posts in the thread... I'm not waving my pecker around here, I actually tried to aid these 2 with the benefit of experience.  Some people are advice-proof though.

[RealityMachina]

Its not crushingly difficult... that's the point.

I find XCOM normal incredibly easy. Does this mean I have the right to mock my friend who has never played a turn based tactical strategy game before in his life if he finds it a challenge?