Co_Re Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 at first we had the latron prime blueprint, handle, barrel and stock :4reaper prime blueprint, handle and blade :3forma blueprint or forma :2and frost prime blueprint, chassis, helmet, systems :4total drops possible in the void 13now add 13 tobraton prime blueprint, barrel and receiver :3bronco prime blueprint barrel and receiver :3orthos prime blueprint handle and blade :3fang prime blueprint handle and blade :3paris prime blueprint grip, upper and lower reciever :416 new dropsmaking a total of 29 when new prime weapons are added and new prime frames its gunna get so impossible to find what you are looking for that you will never want to enter a void again.i love the void, i love the level design, traps, enemies and vaults. But i dont wanna hate the levels because of how i cant find what im looking for.please DE either implement a token system only for the void or i'm gunna loose my mind quite alot a bit when im looking for parts :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CloudPies Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Wouldn't be so bad if acquiring the new keys weren't so ridiculous. 1% in t2 or t3 defense. Yea..... no thanks, MT was fun enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aishi Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Isn't Braton + Bronco + Orthos + Fang + Paris Prime, defense mode only and in a separate reward pool completely? That kills everything you just mentioned above, if I'm not mistaken.Then the next set of prime items, they can release it alongside T3 Raid and split the Exterm/Raid drop pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skathes Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 already lost a bit of sanity trying for frost prime blueprints, and still do have it. even gotten a forma. lost count of how many t3 runs have done but i dont beleave the % rates posted to wiki. the blueprints have to be much more rare then the systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notionphil Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Isn't Braton + Bronco + Orthos + Fang + Paris Prime, defense mode only and in a separate reward pool completely? That kills everything you just mentioned above, if I'm not mistaken. Then the next set of prime items, they can release it alongside T3 Raid and split the Exterm/Raid drop pool. Actually, thats even worse. 5 items x 3 parts each = 15 items from 3 missions? Ugh. Welcome to RNGFRAME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co_Re Posted July 16, 2013 Author Share Posted July 16, 2013 honestly its not even gunna be fun to play anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angius Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Yeah, more drops mean less chance to drop anything... Either make drop chance highet for keys, or higher chance to drop rare parts (Reaper Blade for example). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontBanMe2.0 Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 the diff void missions give diff rewards and use diff tile sets so no its not ALL in one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co_Re Posted July 16, 2013 Author Share Posted July 16, 2013 the diff void missions give diff rewards and use diff tile sets so no its not ALL in one someone does not get this what this post is about at all...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildJuice Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Do the new keys even drop from endless defense missions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinydunsparce Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Or maybe they could add A FREAKING TOKEN SYSTEM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie9001 Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 please DE either implement a token system only for the void or i'm gunna loose my mind quite alot a bit when im looking for parts :D Seems legitimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co_Re Posted July 16, 2013 Author Share Posted July 16, 2013 i dont mind some rng, but this is gunna kill me, like the time i had to kill a boss 43 times to get all the parts for ash.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontBanMe2.0 Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 i dont mind some rng, but this is gunna kill me, like the time i had to kill a boss 43 times to get all the parts for ash.... or my month of killing the boss for frost systems roughly 15 times a night every day with around 30 on sundays, o the 3 weekend fought him 30 times IN A ROW no break finaly got it hated that frost so much i reset my account I am much happier for it too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co_Re Posted July 16, 2013 Author Share Posted July 16, 2013 yeah either way i can imagine how nightmarish the void is gunna be, with all the new prime warframes, prime weapons and new weapons, getting what you want is gunna stink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobestik Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Yea I agree. After running t3 mobile a few times I was hoping to get some fang parts (i got the bp for it) but also got a bronco part and a orthos part. It's going to take A LONG time to find the parts I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B0AR Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 They could just add a new key pack for the new keys only for the same amount of platinum or even cost a bit more. At least that's better than having to buy the same pack mixed with old keys that are pretty much useless right now if you don't want the old crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co_Re Posted July 16, 2013 Author Share Posted July 16, 2013 They could just add a new key pack for the new keys only for the same amount of platinum or even cost a bit more. At least that's better than having to buy the same pack mixed with old keys that are pretty much useless right now if you don't want the old crap. the solution isn't making more things that should be purchased with platinum.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashnal Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) someone does not get this what this post is about at all...... He gets it completely. Take a look at the drop tables located here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Au6mBXle3cFtdHBYUzVJaDJfdkIzSEN1cUh5UlRvckE&f=true&noheader=false&gid=17'>Google Docs You'll notice that DE did NOT drop everything in the same table like the OP was claiming. Instead, parts are split up amongst all the different mission tier and type combinations with different odds for parts. This means that you can choose to do certain types of void missions for specific parts you require. Most of the lists have 10 entries, which is less than the original T2 keys, and equivalent to the original T3 keys. There is no reward dilution going on here. Edited July 16, 2013 by Ashnal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co_Re Posted July 16, 2013 Author Share Posted July 16, 2013 He gets it completely. Take a look at the drop tables located here: Google Docs You'll notice that DE did NOT drop everything in the same table like the OP was claiming. Instead, parts are split up amongst all the different mission tier and type combinations with different odds for parts. This means that you can choose to do certain types of void missions for specific parts you require. Most of the lists have 10 entries, which is less than the original T2 keys, and equivalent to the original T3 keys. There is no reward dilution going on here. there is reward dilution going on here -_- because there are more drops possible regardless of how there are more types of missions now, and what i'm claiming is that as they continue to add more prime frames and weapons it will continue to "dilute " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TunaMayo Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Wouldn't be so bad if acquiring the new keys weren't so ridiculous. 1% in t2 or t3 defense. Yea..... no thanks, MT was fun enough... I regularly get t3 keys from Pluto defence. T2 keys are often wave 5 rewards and T3 wave 10/15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CloudPies Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) I regularly get t3 keys from Pluto defence. T2 keys are often wave 5 rewards and T3 wave 10/15. NEW keys: defense, mobile defense, capture, etc Not the old raid/exterminate keys. As they don't drop any parts of the new weapons. Edited July 16, 2013 by CloudPies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TunaMayo Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 NEW keys: defense, mobile defense, capture, etc Not the old raid/exterminate keys. As they don't drop any parts of the new weapons. All I have been getting is defence, mobile defence and capture come to think of it. I don't know why. I have had 2 t3 defence, 2 t3 mobile defence and 1 t3 capture today, and I haven't even been on pluto that much, probably achieved the t3 keys 5/7 defence missions today. It is very regular to get one. I haven't, yesterday or today, achieved a t3 raid or exterminate from pluto however. Just saying, try some pluto defence, see if it works for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashnal Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) there is reward dilution going on here -_- because there are more drops possible regardless of how there are more types of missions now, and what i'm claiming is that as they continue to add more prime frames and weapons it will continue to "dilute " But there aren't more drops possible for any given mission, I just linked the tables to show you that. Are you sure we've got the same definition of dilution here? Last I knew dilution meant that the tables had so many entries that the chances of any specific entry were diminished. As you can see from the tables, all of the new tables have the same amount of entries as the old tables, therefore, no more reward dilution compared to the old tables. As they add more prime frames and weapons, they can also add them into new key types with separate tables. What leads you to believe they won't do this, considering that that is precisely what they did for U9? Are you merely complaining about the volume of new content? I suppose you could argue that the defense mission reward tables are diluted with the new key types, since they did gain a lot of new entries, but the void mission rewards themselves aren't diluted at all. Edited July 16, 2013 by Ashnal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co_Re Posted July 16, 2013 Author Share Posted July 16, 2013 But there aren't more drops possible for any given mission, I just linked the tables to show you that. Are you sure we've got the same definition of dilution here? Last I knew dilution meant that the tables had so many entries that the chances of any specific entry were diminished. As you can see from the tables, all of the new tables have the same amount of entries as the old tables, therefore, no more reward dilution compared to the old tables. As they add more prime frames and weapons, they can also add them into new key types with separate tables. What leads you to believe they won't do this, considering that that is precisely what they did for U9? Are you merely complaining about the volume of new content? I suppose you could argue that the defense mission reward tables are diluted with the new key types, since they did gain a lot of new entries, but the void mission rewards themselves aren't diluted at all. you see, you get tier keys from defense missions. You stack them up so you can have more of a chance of getting items. Then new keys are released and your old keys become useless. Ontop of that you need to go and do the same defense missions (or go purchase packs) all over again. Then when you finally get into the new missions you realize that some of the items you want aren't in that mission and is a waste. Diluting the tables is one matter but diluting your chances of getting an item you want in general from void missions is something else entirely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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