Dessfar Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 The new flip one is awful! It's very hard to hit, the enemies fly off in the wrong direction and you can't use it mid-air to get further! Also, it looks pretty bad in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fundance Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 No, I really like the flip. It just needs to have a wider hitbox and it'll be fine. Kogake is all about style, so an acrobatic move like that just works so well. Kogake flip actually has 2 hitboxes - one on the actual kick and one on the landing. The second hitbox will still knock enemies down but does negligible damage. That's very interesting and pretty forgivable if you misplace the attack, since you can still capitalise off the knockdown even if you missed. A single hit uppercut won't do that. One thing that I feel really needs to be changed though, is the inability to ground attack targets who have been launched by the dash attack or charge attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessfar Posted July 26, 2013 Author Share Posted July 26, 2013 I totally disagree, i think it looks stupid. But your right about the ground attack on targets who have been knocked down. No, I really like the flip. It just needs to have a wider hitbox and it'll be fine. Kogake is all about style, so an acrobatic move like that just works so well. Kogake flip actually has 2 hitboxes - one on the actual kick and one on the landing. The second hitbox will still knock enemies down but does negligible damage. That's very interesting and pretty forgivable if you misplace the attack, since you can still capitalise off the knockdown even if you missed. A single hit uppercut won't do that. One thing that I feel really needs to be changed though, is the inability to ground attack targets who have been launched by the dash attack or charge attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoike Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 if u want upper cut get furax/anykros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunaCarbuncle Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Yeah there are weapons witht he shoryuken just use those! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theammostore Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 I prefer the flip. It's a nice change from the uppercuts. When I saw it in the weapon trailer, I thought it was awesome, then I was disappointed by how it wasn't in game originally. It had to be patched in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadsiaDax Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Furax and Kogake based weapons should have a 'combo' charge attack. Would make them feel 1000x more badass if you could pummel your enemies without needing to get them on the ground. Or a grapple attack ;d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venarge Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Also, it looks pretty bad in my opinion. Oh yeah. I mean. If its your opinion, it should definitly be changed.... Use the other gauntlet weapons if you want to use uppercut. /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keetsune Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Use the other gauntlet weapons if you want to use uppercut. Every gauntlet should have that move, there is no logical point to remove that move from certain gauntlet weapons ... But wait, what i'm fkn talking about ... this game is lost most of the logic long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venarge Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Every gauntlet should have that move, there is no logical point to remove that move from certain gauntlet weapons ... But wait, what i'm fkn talking about ... this game is lost most of the logic long time ago. Why should a weapon that is specialized for martials arts only use fist moves? Why shouldnt fist only weapons not only use it? Please. Explain.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Kittens- Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 The axe flip is awesome and has far FAR more utility than the spinning shoryuken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keetsune Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Why should a weapon that is specialized for martials arts only use fist moves? Why shouldnt fist only weapons not only use it? Please. Explain.... If you explain a logical reason why i can't use uppercut with Gauntlets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venarge Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 If you explain a logical reason why i can't use uppercut with Gauntlets? They already said that they are going to add more variety for different weapon so they might add your so beloved uppercut. Besides that. The weapons could focus on kicking and only support your defense via gauntlets. There are enough reasons to not use the uppercut..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theammostore Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Every gauntlet should have that move, there is no logical point to remove that move from certain gauntlet weapons ... But wait, what i'm fkn talking about ... this game is lost most of the logic long time ago. If you explain a logical reason why i can't use uppercut with Gauntlets? Because the Kogake is not just gauntlets, it's also some foot coverings as well. And we have two other gauntlet weapons that already to the uppercut. The Kogake can, it's not like it's forbidden by law, but the Kogake also features the use of your feet. It should reflect that by being different in animations. It's pretty much the same effect, enemy flies upwards, only it looks different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasmir Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Get ankyros if you want shoryukens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessfar Posted July 26, 2013 Author Share Posted July 26, 2013 Oh yeah. I mean. If its your opinion, it should definitly be changed.... Use the other gauntlet weapons if you want to use uppercut. /thread Hey A******, if everyone else likes the flip then they shouldn't change it, but what if i had found out other people hated it too? Up yours. No i won't use another one because kogake has better basic animations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venarge Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 (edited) Hey A******..... .....Up yours. Let me quote the Count. "Zero, Zero F**** given AH AH AH AH........" Edited July 26, 2013 by Venarge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessfar Posted July 26, 2013 Author Share Posted July 26, 2013 Everyone seemed to ignore my first points. The new flip one is awful! It's very hard to hit, the enemies fly off in the wrong direction and you can't use it mid-air to get further! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessfar Posted July 26, 2013 Author Share Posted July 26, 2013 Let me quote the Count. "Zero, Zero F**** given AH AH AH AH........" Wow that was embarrassing. I'd delete that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fundance Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 I've never had a problem with the enemies flying off in the wrong direction. They always go straight up for me, in which case I only have to TURN AROUND and shoot them mid-air, or simply wait for them to hit the ground. Remember that this skill is unique compared to the uppercut because it has two hit zones instead of just one. It's a worthy move that separates the Kogake from the other gaunlets. Variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaperAlien Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 (edited) Complaining that it makes no sense for the Kogake to not be able to uppercut is like complaining that the Gram can't stab people. It's not neccesary to give a weapon every possible move it should have, and it might even be detrimental to overcomplicate this game's melee system when it's only a third of the combat. I am all for letting Furax/Ankyros uppercuts ragdoll people, however. Edited July 27, 2013 by PaperAlien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fundance Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Also it seems like this update fixed the Kogake for me. I can now down-attack targets I knocked over with the flip or charge kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessfar Posted July 28, 2013 Author Share Posted July 28, 2013 I've never had a problem with the enemies flying off in the wrong direction. They always go straight up for me, in which case I only have to TURN AROUND and shoot them mid-air, or simply wait for them to hit the ground. Remember that this skill is unique compared to the uppercut because it has two hit zones instead of just one. It's a worthy move that separates the Kogake from the other gaunlets. Variety. They always go straight up, but the animation isn't straight up. Its a 45 degree angle kick and they go straight up. It would be awesome if the move was similar to the other gauntlets but with a one legged kick to the chin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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