Aimop95
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3 hours ago, Redthirst said:
But their lines in-game indicate their lack of even the basic knowledge about the very enemies they were fighting right before awakening. And we don't even know if they have amnesia, but if we assume that their memories of stuff that happened before going into sleep are hazy, then they should still remember what happened after Lotus awakened them.
Lack of basic knowledge? How so? As for amnesia, the Lotus straight up tells that we have it when we first awake.
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7 hours ago, ninjacat2015 said:
Halo did a much better deconstruction of the power armor supersoldier and fragility of the operators. The Spartans even started out as child soldiers like Tenno did. And Halo did this without revealing Master Chief being a child as some hamfisted allegorical contrast to the power armored Spartan-II persona.
The major problem with your comparison is that there is no fragility in Spartans. Spartans outside the suit are still Spartans. However, Tenno without their warframes are merely volatile void batteries.
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8 minutes ago, BornWithTeeth said:
The problem is that if that's the case, then DE's official position is that the Tenno really have gone from being stoic space ninjas to a bunch of whiny children who need a slap upside the head and to be told to grow up.
What. The. Eff. I am beyond disgusted.
So we got our slap in TWW.
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Just now, BornWithTeeth said:
Someone who sulks when they are called a child is a child. I'd like it if the Tenno acted their age, their mental age, the length of time in which they have been active, not the age one would guess by looking at their faces.
The Second Dream was called lucid. A lucid dream. And yet, with every reveal, what we learn is that we learned nothing. We retain nothing. The people we were when we fought in the Old War, those people died the second the Transference pod was cracked open, and we apparently reverted to being children fresh off the Zariman.
Sounds more like a harsh opinion than a fact concerning your sulking point. In any case you are looking only at the start of TWW, which seemed to end explicitly telling us that our Operators, character-wise, are maturing. So in one sense, you're getting your wish of them acting their "age".
I don't disagree with your second part, in fact, I personally think that's what happened.
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12 minutes ago, BornWithTeeth said:
I'm talking about the fact that the Tenno are described as having built the Dojos, designed weapons like the Boar Prime and Dragon Nikana, served as bodyguards and assassins, and having created the Great Schools of the Focus techniques.....and yet what we actually see once we get the Operators are whiny children who are in no way capable of doing this.
That's not headcanon. The Tenno built the Dojos, created the Focus Schools, and designed the Boar Prime and Dragon Nikana. Now. That's either retconned out, or the Operators are just completely and utterly severed from what they were.
The only whines I've heard so far that come from the Operators would be them being slightly pissed at Teshin when he called them children, hardly a case for saying that they're incapable of building a culture.
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8 minutes ago, Redthirst said:
TWW seems to quite clearly indicate that the Zariman incident was specifically blocked in our memory by Margulis(so it wasn't because we slept for thousands of years, we just had this specific memory repressed). So there doesn't seem to be a reason why Operators would forget anything that happened after the incident. Sure, a lot of time has passed, but we're talking about stuff that their entire lives were centered about.
Fair enough, but I would argue in your last point that there isn't enough information/lore/story to determine how much we remembered when we woke up. As players we have no real way of knowing what our Operator remembers, and amnesia has an interesting way of picking and choosing memories.
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1 minute ago, achromos said:
Please read this.
Meaning what? Tenno weaponsmiths and Orokin weaponsmiths use different methods to create their warframes? I understand you're leading me to this line: "The weapons and Warframes the Tenno use are based on the Orokin's designs, but are not actual pieces of Orokin technology". But keep in mind the Corpus as a merchant cult also existed in some form during the Orokin era. This means to me that not everything made during the Orokin era, was uniquely Orokin made. The codex explicitly condemns the Corpus as a faction devoted to worship of money, which would imply that whatever the Corpus made, would be considered Corpus-made. Along similar lines of thought, the Tenno had their own "faction" where they copied the Orokin versions of Warframes.
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13 minutes ago, Redthirst said:
This is, it was emphasized that Tenno lived a somewhat regimented lifestyles, with Focus Schools teaching them a lot about discipline. So you would expect that going through that, they would be a lot more like your stereotypical warrior-monks - badass warriors that are always very calm and collected. But instead, they act as if Warframes were always independent, and then after Second Dream a bunch of random kids suddenly started to control them.
Bear in mind we're still missing areas of our memory, hell we didn't even remember much of the Zimerman accident until TWW, which should have been the most outstanding memory of our operator's entire life (I personally feel like watching your parents go insane then being killed/caged would be the most traumatic experience in one's life).
Us as players do not know how much of our Operator's former life has returned to him/her.
15 minutes ago, BornWithTeeth said:Then I would like an Emote for Do My Bloody Pushups, Squats, And Stretches.
After that, I would like an Emote for Practice Inner Discipline And Stop Complaining.
I would love these emotes as well. Up until the patch, when I was testing out how much damage the Operator's hand beam could do in the Silmerclary-thingy, I'd often do the Narta emotes just because it seemed appropriate (also who doesn't love a little roleplay?)
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11 minutes ago, BornWithTeeth said:
DE very specifically patched out the ability to Operators to perform katas. That, right there, was an explicit statement from DE: Operators have no knowledge of martial arts.
I would argue that's more up to interpretation, the way I see it is that Operators are not physically capable of performing such arts.
Furthermore, prior to the second dream, we had no knowledge that we were operators. This means that we fully believed we were our own warframes, and thus we didn't pilot them so much as become them. We know the motions and are physically capable of reproducing them within a Warframe, but not as operators as we do not posses the physical strength to do such.
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Just now, BornWithTeeth said:
Then the War Within was finally released and it turns out that Digital Extremes agree with the first group. Operators really are impulsive, spoiled children with no composure, who don't even know how to fight without their Warframe.
I wouldn't say that our Operators don't know martial arts per say (or how to fight in general), only that we know a form of fighting that allows us to charge recklessly into enemies. Bear in mind that due to our Warframe's inherent tankiness and strength, we're capable of taking on risks that no ordinary warrior might.
Also we probably don't have the physical strength to lift half the weapons our Warframes yield, being asleep for several centuries probably doesn't lend itself to muscle building.
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2 minutes ago, BornWithTeeth said:
Which is why the Tenno are never going to actually be space ninjas. They are forever and eternally going to be written by DE as petulant children, locked at the mental age of fifteen. And not even hardened child soldier fifteen either! Spoiled suburban fifteen.
We'll see how "dark" DE can get in future quests (however long that will take, I wouldn't use TSD as the average since in the last couple of Devstreams, DE said that the long delay was due to creative changes, not technical. I believe they mentioned that building the entire quest took 2 months in the latest devstream).
There are already dark implications of child soldiers, patricide (not so much an implication as a fact), child trafficking (Orokin Continuity), and mental abuse of children/young people (Orokin Continuity Ritual).
To be fair, if I had that sort of childhood, I'd be glad for every memory block I was given. In any case, we'll see if DE wants to bring out these dark themes into the full spotlight, but they are there.
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Bear in mind that Primes are not confirmed to be the "first" ever built warframe of that type. The only thing we know for certain is that Primed and unPrimed warframes exist, we don't know for sure who came first.
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I like them, but I feel like we're still missing massive areas of our memories as Operators.
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Growing up depends entirely on how the Void affected us.
I wouldn't mind it, but I think DE likes the idea of an eternally young protagonist.
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I like them, though I wish we had more knowledge of what they went through during the Orokin era and how exactly their Tenno culture came about.
The big gap of knowledge I would love to know about was how the Operators were used by the Orokin, were they conscious that they were living weapons prior to their betrayal? Was Margulis' death the only thing that set them off? How the heck did the Lotus turn them? How did they kill the Orokin? We're told that only the Tenno are capable of permanently ending Orokin elite, but TSD did not really show that (especially if the Worm's transmissions during Kuva siphoning missions are true, that she's resurrecting her "dead" sister), so we're still in the dark about how we actually killed the Orokin.
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This quote has me leaning heavily toward the theory that the Void is a sentient entity that drove everyone on the ship mad save the children.
This is a stretch, but perhaps this entity is what makes the Void so hard to understand, it rejected Orokin attempts at studying it, violently perhaps. So they deemed it a hellspace, unknowable and alien to them.
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The Orokin mentioned the Void as a "hellspace" Perhaps "demons" actually live in such space?
EDIT: Upon looking at TSD transcript, Margulis mentions how our sleep state was designed to stop the "Voices" from taking hold. Is it possible that these voices originate from the Void? If so, I can imagine why we were such a danger to everyone around us. We're simply children possessing great destructive power that have voices in our heads.
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7 hours ago, Akavakaku said:
Little Queen is cute because she's the bloodthirsty monarch of a multi-planet, violently fascist empire, who's ruled for untold generations by stealing the bodies of her own people, but she also sounds and acts like an ordinary teenager and looks like a creepy stylization of a Pokemon.
It must suck going through puberty multiple times.
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4 minutes ago, Deshiel said:
Please leave if you haven't completed the War Within Quest.
Untill now the Warframes were mere puppets right? Controled with our void strings first from the "pod" thingy and then from our transference chair. But Now that is no longer how we do it. Now the Operator is inside the warframe and can exit it at any time. If you tried to play in the OP mode during a mission you know that whenever you travel a significant distance away from the warframe and quit the OP mode, the warframe reappears from within you.It tempts me to assume that the warframe (post TWW) is actualy piloted manualy instead of remotely from a chair.
What do you think?
SpoilerI would say that it's both, in that we use our warframes more like a portal.
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Bear in mind TWW update we got, was split into 4 parts. So for a whole year's worth, I'd say that it worked out quite well.
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There's a theory bouncing around that the voice at the end of the quest is actually the Void itself talking to us.
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Take breaks, When i'm burned out, I go back to finishing my witcher 3 play through (still first time playing through it).
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I've heard somewhere that when you go back to that tileset, the younger queen's voice comes out over the comms claiming how close she is to resurrecting her sister.
[Spoilers]Thanks for not letting me play Warframe
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Jump toward guardian, press 5, stun immediately, void-dash immediately, press 5 again, spam melee until Kuva Guardian is dead, repeat.