(XBOX)Natfrog123
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4 minutes ago, (PS4)DBR87 said:
Yeah, it's dumb. I don't care if I have to aim the skill; I will be happy to... But WHY do I have to individually mark targets one by one and THEN they only get one mark per pass?
I honestly have NO idea who tested this or thought this was "good" for Ash but they need never touch ash again and pass it over to someone who really LOVES the frame.
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I love people showing up telling me I dumb but yet turn around and say that BS is not very good and still offer no solution to fix it. Typical SJWs man.
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What really gets me though is they say this is a great thing for Ash but no other AoE frame has to do this. I say make it uniform and screw up their favorite caster frame that they use for hours on end and see how appealing it is to slow down the pace of their game play for once.
Hell DE should do this for 24 hours just to get proper feed back. Every frame has to "mark" targets and there is NO "aimbot" mechanics at all for 24 hours.
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2 minutes ago, (PS4)DBR87 said:
I am not asking for an aimbot, my suggestion would make Blade Storm faster so I don't have to watch a cut scene play out when I do it. I think holding a button for 1 or 2 seconds to charge a skill is a lot quicker then flicking my right thumb left and right a few times to make enemies, especially since I don't put my aim sensitivity to MLG levels. I imagine most players don't. The original complain about Blade Storm was that it was a press 4 to murder everything in with a 10 second cutscene. It still is the longest 4 animation in the game you can't interrupt at will. I shouldn't have to do slide attacks to make the animation go faster. I also understand that Blade Storm shouldn't return to press 4 and murder everything in a 50 meter circle around you. That's why I suggested the tap/charge mechanic.
I mean, if I am going to run up and melee an enemy why even mark them for Blade Storm? I will kill them with my melee. Why even run up to them to melee when I can teleport? And if I am shooting, I am not gonna put two bullets in their head then target another another enemy and shoot him then move to another and shoot them and repeat that until I stacked 3 marks on everyone I wanted. for all that I would have just killed them with my rifle/Bow/shotgun/Opticor. I aim then shoot, not swing my reticle around spraying bullets.
It would be like Frost Wave but instead of ice moving forward it would be a horde of deadly shadow clones.
Other than that, any frame can do Sortie T3 and Mot survival. I have no problems with doing fighting level 100+ enemies with Ember or Equinox. This isn't about difficulty, it's about the execution speed of Blade Storm and the fact it's still a long cut scene.
Wouldn't it be so fun if Hydroid had to "mark" targets? Add that every enemy marked cost extra energy. Maybe the same should be done with radial blind. Hell make every skill that has auto targeting use the "mark" system that Ash currently has. It is only fair right?
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" Do you even do anything but marking? Sure doesn't sound it."
Isn't that the gripe of this entire thread is Blade Storm alone?
Everyone can agree 1, 2, and 3 are in a fairly decent place. No one on this thread that i have read yet says they are not if spec'd into them correctly. However Blade Storm, which is Ash's "signature/ultimate" ability is pure garbage in it's current state. You have to take into consideration time versus pay off versus energy expended. Highest energy cost in the game when looking at 20 enemies or more hit. The damage is just not that impressive when you look at reward versus energy.
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53 minutes ago, Phobonaut said:
Exactly what I've been trying to explain to this braindead buffoon but I guess his Grineer genetic profile is just too mentally degenerated to understand the point.
Yet you completely ignore when i suggest adding the same mechanics to other frames? Why do you always ignore this? Is it because it just doesn't make for fun game play? Your entire argument is because he has stealth and can mele that blade storm is ok. It is not.
2 hours ago, (Xbox One)Natfrog123 said:Hell I will even compromise and take a single mark that makes Ash attack and 2 clone follow his lead for 15 energy reduced by efficency. I'll settle for that over the 3 mark system we have now. The multi marks just need to go because it takes WAY TO LONG to use.
SEE I don't care if it is weak or strong I care that I can support my allies in battle without face rolling the mele button.
It's not a 360 win button if other frames exist like Chroma and Octavia that can press 1 button and deal an insanely high amount of damage. If it's good for one frame it has to be uniform is my entire point and BS multi-marking is not good for the game period.
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Hell I will even compromise and take a single mark that makes Ash attack and 2 clone follow his lead for 15 energy reduced by efficency. I'll settle for that over the 3 mark system we have now. The multi marks just need to go because it takes WAY TO LONG to use.
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6 minutes ago, blaes said:
Thank you so much for that, much laugh was had.
for the rest :
the only interest loki has in duration aside from invisibility is decoy, which has a long base duration (25s) meaning duration isn't needed, and low health (200hp 400shield, no armor) meaning he dies in a couple seconds in the second half of the star chart, making duration for decoy even more useless.
so in that regard, loki and ash have about the same need for duration.
secondly, about invisibility and smoke screen : invisibility costs 50 energy and lasts 12s (that's ~4.17 energy/s), SS costs 35 and lasts 8s (that's about 4.37 energy/s). the difference is minimal.
if you can stay invisible all the time with loki, you can do the same with ash. ash is not a "teleporter", he's a stealth based assassin frame. if you choose not to play him that way, that's fine. but that's your choice, dont complain about the consequences.
finally :
current bladestorm iteration is bad. that's what i've been saying since it came out. it needs to be changed. but previous iterations were worst than that, and the devs know it. so no matter how much you cry, they're not coming back. so you can either accept that, and make constructive suggestions, or keep crying and be "one of the brain dead people" who only know how to complain.
Except the base problem is we didn't need another Loki frame.... That was the point. We have that already. Ash was unique in the way he was able to be in the thick of a fight and still walk away because he was never really there to begin with. It isn't that stealth and mele isn't strong it's just we already had that. BS is what separated Ash from other stealth frames.
BS previously was not bad at all with the one exception of enemies being invulnerable which I think everyone agrees was unhealthy.
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4 minutes ago, (Xbox One)RDeschain82 said:
Every since the BS NERF I no longer mod for Power Strength or Range. I play Ash mostly for Rescue and Spys. I mod him now for Speed, Duration and FT w/CL. Base range on FT is 50m. So that's plenty for me. But I understand what you're saying.
But that is exactly the point of this thread. BS has no real place in this type of game. We simply want it fixed.
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If you use Blind Rage to boost power you def are not casting BS in a spammy way either.
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1 minute ago, (Xbox One)RDeschain82 said:
Duration homie. Duration not power.
Yes you are correct. But still Ash with no duration trickles back into energy conservation with stealth BS reduction.
But I think I was thinking about Overextend. With no range BS puts you in a bad situation to begin with being to close to combat.
Either way.
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9 minutes ago, Phobonaut said:
Err, have you ever considered that I'd want to play Ash and NOT watch a cutscene? This is important because I can react and plan ahead how I use my 4 so I don't end up dropping out of Bladestorm right next to some Energy Leech Eximi. If you'd actually play Warframe instead of pressing 4 to win, you'd realise there's more to just doing a fuckton of easy damage.
Also how does Ash do a "fuckton" of damage AND spam 4? those 2 things do not go together at all even before the rework and especially now. Fleeting Expertise reduces power by 60% so either you are spamming and doing very low damage or you are using it once in a blue moon doing a lot of damage. Either way your comments are not lining up to reality.
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2 minutes ago, Phobonaut said:
Err, have you ever considered that I'd want to play Ash and NOT watch a cutscene? This is important because I can react and plan ahead how I use my 4 so I don't end up dropping out of Bladestorm right next to some Energy Leech Eximi. If you'd actually play Warframe instead of pressing 4 to win, you'd realise there's more to just doing a fuckton of easy damage.
Also Blade Storm puts you back where you started so dropping out would only take you out of harms way... You really don't play Ash at all do you?
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Just now, Phobonaut said:
Err, have you ever considered that I'd want to play Ash and NOT watch a cutscene? This is important because I can react and plan ahead how I use my 4 so I don't end up dropping out of Bladestorm right next to some Energy Leech Eximi. If you'd actually play Warframe instead of pressing 4 to win, you'd realise there's more to just doing a fuckton of easy damage.
Then why do you play it now? You get a MUCH longer "cut scene". I'm not pushing for any changes to 1, 2, or 3 skills. Simply fixing BS to fit back into a fast paced game. How do you not have a cut scene now?
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If you haven't caught on all these ideas are complete garbage but it is in fact EXACTLY what they did to Ash. This in your eyes seems to be ok and my only logical thinking is you just plain out HATE Ash and do not want him in a good place. To me that is truely sad.
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How about this then
Exalted blade for Excalibur
Press 4 (2.5 energy/sec)
every enemy hit reduces your energy by 15
This sounds awesome to me. It's only fair for such a strong ability right? What do you think?
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4 minutes ago, (Xbox One)Natfrog123 said:
Since you don't/can't understand maybe this will help
Ember with the Ash treatment
World on Fire
Press 4
Look around to "tag" enemies
press 4 again
Is this ok to you?
If so I think that all frames with abilities that hit multiple enemies should get this treatment like Ash did.... It's only fair don't you think?
Excalibur with the Ash treatment
Radial blind
Press 2
Look around to "tag" enemies
Press 2 again
Also this must be ok with you.
Also lets add that every target costs a set amount of energy.
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2 minutes ago, Phobonaut said:
Blade Storm was never AoE. You know what AoE is? Fire Blast is AoE. Blade Storm simply set up a little track for the Ash-Knife-train to ride on.
Which is how a fast paced game SHOULD be played. If not then make it uniform for all frames. How is this fair for one frame but not another? Your logic is not showing up here. Please explain in terms of game play and damage what the difference is?
Also did you ever try Blade Storm with no range? You hit maybe 2 enemies even at rank 3. So when i say it was an AoE it was in fact an AoE. More range hit more targets up to the limit... I'm sorry you do not understand that concept.
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Since you don't/can't understand maybe this will help
Ember with the Ash treatment
World on Fire
Press 4
Look around to "tag" enemies
press 4 again
Is this ok to you?
If so I think that all frames with abilities that hit multiple enemies should get this treatment like Ash did.... It's only fair don't you think?
Excalibur with the Ash treatment
Radial blind
Press 2
Look around to "tag" enemies
Press 2 again
Also this must be ok with you.
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1 minute ago, Phobonaut said:
You're not making any sense. Ash's 4 isn't a AoE. It's a chain-kill.
What? Do you not know how Blade Storm worked? You looked at an enemy and pressed a button and based off range it attacked multiple enemies. AoE Area of Effect. Now imagine if every frame got the Ash treatment.... keep up here you are falling behind.
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Just now, Phobonaut said:
Reading comprehension bro. I was talking about if every frame with an AoE had to stop and confirm or "tag" enemies.
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11 minutes ago, Phobonaut said:
Dude, you're MR2. Stop talking S#&$ like you know how Ash used to work. You're glorifying a past that you don't know anything about. You complain about AOE's disrupting your 4 and you don't even understand that I gave you advice on which mods to use that allow Ash to ignore AOE knockdowns.
Who said ANYTHING about AoEs disrupting abilities? You need some better glasses or to re-read what was written.
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4 minutes ago, Phobonaut said:
Dude, you're MR2. Stop talking S#&$ like you know how Ash used to work. You're glorifying a past that you don't know anything about. You complain about AOE's disrupting your 4 and you don't even understand that I gave you advice on which mods to use that allow Ash to ignore AOE knockdowns.
Ummm I am now MR8 on Xbox One but funny you didn't ask me if I played on PC and transferred over.
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20 minutes ago, Phobonaut said:
Have you ever played on a Grineer Galleon? Have you ever tried avoiding your allies on that map? Ash's 4 today is mechanically so much better than what it used to be. I know, because I have been playing since 2013.
This is how Ash used to work:
- press 4
- go downstairs
- crack open a beer
- get some snacks
- get back to WF
- notice that squadchat is filled with angry squaddies calling you killstealing OP scum
It was literally a quick time event. Just without the quick time.
Honestly I now know u either are a complete troll or you infact never played Ash. Ash had a cap of 21 or 28 (honestly can't remember) targets MAX he and his clones could hit and at most you saw maybe 6-8 very fast little scenes unless you got stuck on a massive health enemy. It was over in at the very most 8 seconds and at that point you either had to push another button or just stand there.
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Assuming you mean Finisher damage? Maybe check Hydroid and his execution and his DPS in conjunction with energy cost. Sure maybe he hits each enemy for 200 damage but he can hit 15 enemies or more at any given time not to mention when multiple tentacles hit a single enemy. All this doesn't even matter when you look at armor stripping capabilities but for the sake of this I will exclude all of that. Blade Storm does not wipe 4500 lvl enemy maps faster than Octavia's Mallet. In fact BS does jack all to those enemies. So to say it would be the best damage in the game is not even close to reality. BS cannot kill anywhere near as fast as Excalibur who just has to press 4 and slowly watch his energy drain.BS does not kill anywhere near as fast as Ice Chroma. BS does not kill anywhere near as fast as Sleep Equinox. The list can go on and on but yet here you are spouting nonsense. DPS is measure in time not a single blow or a single burst. If you spec for power on Ash then sure you have a single skill use nuke. Hands down no questions asked. But you can only use it maybe once. If you use Steel Charge chances are you will be running around doing nothing but spamming mele as your BS cost is WAY to high to use it effectively in a horde game. If you spec for efficency then you have no stealth duration which mean no close combat for you on anything over lvl 25 unless you have a healer or pods which we are going to exclude because it has nothing to do with Ash's core.