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1 minute ago, NinthAria said:
Some people are collectors. And I fully understand that itch of having missing spots on the list with nothing you can do about it. I just think focusing on that and only that is not a good way to keep engaged with a game like Warframe, which offers considerably more than just collecting stuff. That is, quite definitively, a narrow-minded approach. Which is not a judgment call--it just means you might need to open yourself up to new avenues of enjoyment. Worst case scenario, it means Warframe just might not be your kind of game.
Also, you can flip the logic around pretty easily here: Login reward weapons are, essentially, free high-quality gear; all you have to do is stick around. That's a time commitment to be sure, but it's also a sure thing--which, for many, is a godsend in a game with heavily RNG-driven rewards like Warframe.
I'm not an extreme collector myself, don't worry about me. I've accepted I cannot get some things, and it doesn't bother me much. What bothers me is feeling bad about using login reward weapons around my newbie friends, because they have literally no way to get the weapon faster.
The thing is though, you can bypass the rng by paying plat. Want a vaulted weapon? Buy it from someone trading it. Want an exclusive mod? Buy it from someone. So your point kind of doesn't really work here...
The only thing you cannot bypass with plat are the login rewards, and it's not really "sticking around," but "log in every day no matter what." I've been here since the new login reward system came into being, but I don't have 600 days logged in. It doesn't reward players who have stayed with the game, but players who are able to log in every day. People have lives and jobs—I buy plat every time I can, but my life prevents me from logging in every day. So in a way, it kind of doesn't really even reward paying customers...
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4 minutes ago, VirtualViolet said:
That's kind of the point of the login reward milestones. Unique items for long-time players of the game. Anyone can attain those items if they stick around long enough.
You mean, unique items for players who log in every day. I'm a long-time player, but I'm only on day 350 and I've played this game for probably four years...
I don't think anyone can accuse me of not sticking around long enough, even bought Founders. The main problem is, the current login reward system rewards players who are able to log in every day—it doesn't actually reward long time players.
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1 minute ago, dmantacos said:
Lets not get away with ourselves, i dont think anybody is really that upset about the WEAPONS, im sure most of us are only referring to mods, nobody is butthurt about waiting for the zenistar lets keep it real.
Actually, I don't care at all for the mods, but kind of want the weapons. At 350 days myself. :P
7 minutes ago, Mr_Folf said:It's a bit annoying that we're locked out of some of these weapons and mods until we login for a ridiculous amount of time, despite how long some of us have been playing the game. I have been playing for over 4 years, and am a week from getting primed fury.
Yeah, I have to agree with this here too.
7 minutes ago, Tesseract7777 said:I understand their frustration -- that envy of not being able to have something no matter how hard you try, your only option being to be loyal to the game for literally years.
However, I also think that it isn't that big a deal, as there are like 300+ weapons in the game and counting.
I do think it needs to stop though. IMO roughly two years should be the hard cutoff point for anything that provides mastery or increases your warframe or weapons power. My suggestion to DE would be to make the 50 increment packages a little more desirable for vets. 100 level rewards should be like, sundial themed cosmetics or something, that you can only get from logging in enough.
I have heard some people talk about locking a frame behind login rewards and it is easily the worst idea I have ever heard. I fear DE will try to add a shotgun sundial weapon or something though, locked behind then next 100 days, I hope not though. We really don't need to lock mastery stuff behind 2+ years of logging in.
It's sometimes a big deal for people who like to collect things, since there's nothing else in the game for them to do anymore. Two years is still quite a long time, especially if you count in the fact that it's probably not feasible for most people to log in every single day in a year.
Oh man, a frame locked behind login rewards. Now that would be a disaster...
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Just now, NinthAria said:
Isn't the point of login rewards to provide something for consistent players? As someone above me pointed out, by the time you get most of them, you're really not a new player any more. And if you ARE a new player, you're in no dire need of Primed Vigor/Shred or any of the sundial weapons.
Not that things like the Zenistar aren't cool and all, but...really, I hate to sound dismissive, but if that's the one thing you're fishing for in a game with hundreds of weapons, you may be a little too narrow-minded for this game.
Well, a lot of people who play this game are collectors...you can't really dismiss those people by calling them "narrow-minded" just because your playstyle is different from them. Isn't it a bit narrow-minded of yourself then to say what you said up there?
Besides, even some veterans don't have 600 days logged in, because not everyone can log in every single day. The way the login milestones are set up right now kind of punishes players who don't have time to log in every day.
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3 minutes ago, Tesseract7777 said:
Why would a new player need Primed Shred?
It's totally optional/not necessary like everything in login rewards.
And even if it were more "pseudo-mandatory" for end game, why would a new player need end game stuff?
It takes a long time and a lot of work to get to the level most of us veterans are at. I have watched a friend who never played that much in the past trying to play more recently to get ready for Plains of Eidolon, and the amount of regular r10 mods he still needs to rank up, that aren't prime at all, is a lot.
He won't even have the endo to worry about primed mods besides continuity for quite some time, and only after a lot of work.
I just really don't see a problem here.
I do think there should be an end to it though. Primed Shred is roughly two years I think, or close to it. I think it's about time we stop adding more login rewards that are non cosmetic, one time rewards.
Edit: I don't even have Primed Vigor yet and I can faceroll anything I want to... I don't need it. Thousands of players facerolled high level content before it was ever added to the game.
No one really needs it, per se, but it does feel extraordinarily crappy to not be able to get a mod or weapon that your friend has but you can't get because you just started out. I just got a friend into Warframe, and they're pretty bummed out that they won't be able to get the Zenistar until they log in for another 300 days. That's almost literally a year of logging in every single day until they can play with a pretty cool weapon.
I agree with you that there needs to be an end to it, and soon. Either that, or there needs to be a rework of the login milestones, because right now there is nothing these new players (or even veterans, who haven't logged in every day) can do to get those extremely time-locked weapons and mods besides log in every day for literal years.
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600 days to get Primed Shred means a new player will have to log in every day for almost two years just to get that mod. Perhaps it's time to revisit the login reward method, maybe make it a 30 day cycle where you can pick what mod or weapon you want at the end of each cycle?
Any better ideas?
Edit: This isn't about needing the weapons or mods, but about how it feels for a new player when they see they will have to wait literal years to get something they might want in the login milestone awards. It doesn't exactly feel motivating to know that you need to log in 600 days to get Primed Shred, or 300 days to get Zenistar. And there's currently literally nothing you can do to make those time-gates shorter, unlike in the rest of the game where you can pay plat to rush something, or use plat to buy a vaulted item from another player.
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Do you like the way login rewards are right now? Vote here: http://www.strawpoll.me/13525030
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It would be nicer if for digital tickets could be bought at any time during Tennocon. But still, Tennocon HYPE!
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Just now, (Xbox One)FCastle74 said:
I'm assuming 11pm eastern when the doors open?
11pm? You mean 11am eastern?
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Do you have pictures? Still patching right now so I can't go in and check. I like the idea of the grass being your energy color though.
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17 minutes ago, Ker-Blammo said:
Actually nope. Still won't change much. If someone is set on not spending a cent, and let's face it, a majority players are like that, it won't matter. It'll just have the people who would actually buy the pack already just pay less. One of my buddies was the community manager for an F2P and he filled me in on certain pricing logic. Most people who are willing to pull the trigger and actually pay money on an F2P are going to be buying those packs even if they're 40$.
However, there are already a lot of people in the forums complaining that they would've bought the Unvault if it didn't have duplicate weapons and frames. It's happened every single time the Unvaults have arrived. If what your buddy says also applies to Warframe, then DE could just make another $40 pack, but put more plat in it and remove the duplicate weapons and frames. I bet more people would buy that then, since it feels more "worth" than buying duplicate weapons and frames.
8 minutes ago, ----Legacy---- said:*notices "Master" tag worth $100*
And you're forgetting about people who could put down whatever the biggest price tag is but will go for the smallest one anyways since everything else can be farmed for free or bought with plat regardless of it being bought at full price, discounted, or traded.
Hey, life happens in 3 (4?) years man.
See above solution to Ker-Blammo.^
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8 hours ago, AnJetCat said:
I think China server kinda made tons of Chinese player gave up on Global Server due to the IP lockdown.
And the remaining Chinese player both from Simplified and Traditional Chinese region just not that much compared to NA and EU servers.
Besides, they rather get information and talk about things of Warframe on gamer com tw & baidu tieba than other places, so I really doubt if we really need an official forum if no one's gonna watch or read it.
However, I do think we need Guides of the Lotus & Moderator for Chinese section.
What IP ban? I'm playing in China and it's working fine.
Of course, but then you can say that about Korea and Japan too. I meet a lot of Chinese players in the Global build, like I said before, almost 75% of players I meet are Chinese or speak Chinese.
Then wouldn't Korean and Japanese players do the same...? Still feels like we should have an official Chinese forum anyway.
Agree with needing Guides of Lotus & Moderators though.
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7 hours ago, Ker-Blammo said:
They're just cosmetics. If you don't agree with the price, don't buy the packs. Settle for other syandana options if you think it's too much. :P They need to have the extra incentive to buy the full packs anyways, since almost everyone is in the same situation as you.
I think people are thinking "but DE will make so much more money like that!" but the reality is they won't. Most users don't spend a dime on the game and they rely on people who actually shell out cash for the expensive packs. Those people (like myself) will buy these packs anyway, and in my case, even buy the double pack even when they're just missing 1 of the items in the pack.
I think you're forgetting about the people who would be willing to put down $20, but not $40. Not everyone has so much money to throw around, and if some prices are cheaper then that would open up the buying options for those of us who can't pay $40 but can pay $20.
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18 minutes ago, White_Matter said:
Because by this time every one has those old frames and weapons and if they released accessories seperately, everyone would just buy that. And DE would make alot less money.
Capitalism 101 kids.
No, more like the people who right now are not buying the pack because they already have all the frames and weapons and don't want to spend $60 on cosmetics would open their wallets and buy the cheaper accessories-only pack.
What makes more money, 1 guy buying a $60 pack or 10 guys buying a $20 pack? Or even better, 1 guy buying a $60 pack and 10 more guys who weren't planning to buy the $60 pack buying a $20 pack?
The more options you give to people, the more money you make. And since these are just digital items anyway, there isn't any loss of money on DE's part to make more packs.
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16 minutes ago, Volkeris said:
Ok, so that's why it's cheaper, since you're not getting 90 day boosters and instead getting 400p, which is 2 30 day boosters. Still seems like a bargain to me. Sad that people complain about good things.
Yeah, it's cheaper, and it's a steal for those who don't have any or most of the things offered in the pack. But for those of us who already have everything except for the cosmetics, it would be nice if we can buy a different pack with either more plat and no warframes/weapons, or a cheaper pack with just the cosmetics. Is that such a hard thing to ask for? More people would buy the cheaper, cosmetic only pack too, which means DE makes more money. Win/win situation all around.
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2 hours ago, Volkeris said:
You do understand that you are actually getting the Accessories + some plat CHEAPER than a normal Prime Access Accessory pack? I don't get what the big deal is.
1 hour ago, Stormdragon said:Totally agree with this, accessory pack costs 50USD and just has accessories + boosters, while the offer here is either 1 accessory + 1 frame + 2 weapons + some plat (basically an entire prime access) for 40USD; or 2 accessories + 2 frames + 4 weapons + some plat (yep, that's 2 entire prime accesses) at 60USD, slightly more expensive than any accessory pack anyways.
As someone who used to buy prime accessories only, I've already stopped doing it since unvaults are a better offer even if the frames and weapons become credits and slots, and I'm sure that if prime vault gets a cheaper separate accessory pack there will be way more people waiting for accessories to be unvaulted at a cheaper price instead of supporting DE by buying them on release.
I agree with you, it's a good deal for people who don't have any of the things in the pack. For people like me, who have already bought quite a few of the accessory packs when they came out and farmed all the frames/weapons, most of the time I already have almost all the things offered in the Unvaults. For example, with the Frost and Mag unvault, I literally had every single thing in the pack EXCEPT for the Misa Prime. So paying $40 for just Misa Prime and a pittance of plat just feels bad compared to spending $50, getting Misa Prime and also getting 90 day boosters (of course in this case you had to pay the $130 price to get Misa Prime, since Accessories wasn't a thing back then).
Sure, you can sell the extra frames + weapons...but if they wanted us to pay $40 again why couldn't they offer an alternative bundle, where you can buy the accessories + PLAT and no extra frames + weapons? It'd be a good compromise, let the people who want the frames buy them, and let those of us who have the frames already pay the same amount but get extra plat instead of duplicate frames and weapons.
2 hours ago, Xekrin said:Don't know. Go to Tennocon and ask them face to face, it is very likely the only way to get an actual answer. None of us know, we are all in the same boat as you. This question has been asked at LEAST a thousand times since the very first Unvaulting, and never EVER answered.
Someone going to Tennocon, freaking ask the question, let's see if they refuse someone who asks in person a real answer.
Yeah, please someone who is going to Tennocon ask this. Ask them why there can't be a separate accessories pack that is the same price but with more plat instead of with the frames and weapons.
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As the title states, why can't we buy a separate Prime Vault pack with just the accessories (e.g. Targis Prime + Noru Syandana)? Or even packs where we can just buy the Targis by itself, or Noru by itself, maybe bundled with some plat?
A lot of us already have Mag and Rhino Prime, and all those weapons. Not really a fan of needing to buy duplicate frames and weapons in order to get some cosmetics I want.
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5 minutes ago, Beggining said:
Ah, that make sense as to why @Frost0Tenno could play the game in Global Build. Though, seeing how they replied to @Aurea_Hiigara with:
I assume they understand English.
Thanks for the information :D
Ah no, he was replying to ALOEDA1, who said that next time he should use English.
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6 hours ago, Beggining said:
I still don't quite understand. Reading through the posts, it seems that @Frost0Tenno uses the global build of Warframe, which meant that they must've understood the language used in the global builds (I think there's only English, but I could be wrong: never checked the language options.)
Why not just use English (or any other language in the global build), since it'll be more convenient? More people will understand you in general, and you seem to understand back, just preferring to answer in Chinese instead.
Oh, and it's cool that the replies are quite polite so far :D
Just chipping in as a non-native English speaker :p
Global build has Chinese translation. Just for the record, all these languages have their own separate sub-forums on the forums, except for Chinese.
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2 minutes ago, 321agemo said:
thats rather interesting. but that might only be beijing? might not apply for other parts of china.
its rather strange that Changyou would let people within china to access the global version, since that would probably cut into their profits.
Beijing is the capital, the Great Firewall of China is the most tightly enforced here I would think. But I have tried in other cities, and Warframe still works elsewhere in China so.
It might not be a problem for them, because most people if they Baidu'd Warframe would be taken to the Changyou site. So they'd really only lose people who can read English (which is kind of few).
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1 minute ago, 321agemo said:
@Frost0Tenno http://wf.changyou.com/ 国内只能使用这个version. 你要用VPN先可以用全球版本.
我現在住北京，國內的不需要VPN也可以用全球的版本
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9 minutes ago, -Temp0- said:
Well it's like.
If you're outside you can probably you know, speak some other language. Many players play on english version regardless of their region, first language or language of the country they're in. It's 2017 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So...then why do Koreans and Japanese people get their own forums?
Also, from the Warframe launcher:
The entire game is translated into Traditional and Simplified Chinese. Of all those languages, every single one of them has a sub-forum except for Chinese. Why exactly does Chinese not have a sub-forum if all the other languages has their own?
7 minutes ago, Xekrin said:My personal suggestion would be to force DE's hand in the matter. There is no chinese forum here which means you are not required to use an international forum. So make as many posts as you wish and speak nothing but your preferred language. Refuse to use google translate to do the job for you and be as loud as possible about doing so.
The main problem I see you facing is that those who prefer to speak/write in chinese rarely so do on the forums right now. I run into barely a few only occasionally which means right now DE probably doesn't feel the need to provide a more centralized location for those who speak the language.
If there are enough speakers of a language that it becomes noticed, perhaps they will give in and make a forum where you are more comfortable speaking what you want to speak without feeling bad about doing so because you are not understood by people like me who only know one language.
Technically your idea has merit, but I'm worried that it will result in a ban for "speaking in a language other than English in the English forums."
I see a lot of Chinese players in game (about 75% of the pub players I get paired with are Chinese/Chinese speaking since I'm in Asia region), so I don't think it's unreasonable to have a Chinese sub-forum here.
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1 minute ago, Xekrin said:
The conspiracy theorist in me would say to encourage chinese speaking players towards playing the chinese specific version of the game. There is a chinese version for a reason (I'd imagine), due to laws that I'm sure you are fully aware of (no bones or whatever in games).
So along with whatever other restrictions Chinaframe has with their deal with DE, part of it was "no chinese forums, make them come to us instead!".
I hope you realize that there are Chinese players who are NOT from Mainland China. I even listed some countries who speak Chinese but are not from Mainland China...Why do those players who live in free countries like Taiwan need to be forced onto Chinaframe just because they speak Chinese? Besides at least in Taiwan and Hong Kong they use Traditional Chinese, whereas in Chinaframe they use Simplified Chinese.
It makes no sense to me why Chinaframe would want to have even Taiwan, Singapore, etc players go to their server. In other games, there are always separate servers for Taiwan and China.
I find it fairly aggravating that for some reason, just because a player speaks Chinese, they are immediately labelled as needing to belong to Chinaframe server when they don't necessarily even live in China, and instead live in a free country like Taiwan. Please DE, for the sake of all that is good, just add a Traditional Chinese forum here.
(By the way, not angry at you specifically, you've been perfectly civil. I'm just a bit frustrated with the general attitude of these forums when it comes to Chinese speaking people who may not even be from Mainland China.)
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16 minutes ago, Alcatraz said:
So you're telling me that Warframe China is inferior to Warframe?
Well, having to pay every time you want to change a color in Chinaframe is kind of unreasonable. Base Warframe has it better in that department at the very least.
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4 minutes ago, Alcatraz said:
Because there is Warframe China.
Although you do rise a good question. Perhaps someone smarter than me will have the correct answer.
1 minute ago, -Temp0- said:Probably because like everything else their version of warframe is too different so they have their own forum along with some other things that are different.
Yeah, but people outside of China who speak Chinese probably don't want to play on the worse version of Warframe. Even Chinese players from China play on the International version because it's so much better. Not to mention, the international version isn't blocked in China (I'm in China and playing on it right now) and it also has both Simplified and Traditional Chinese options in the International version launcher.
Login Rewards kind of unattainable for new players
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I guess, but I feel like the system can be better. (About founders items though, I kind of wish they could release Excal Prime and all that to everyone...it really is too bad they said they will never rerelease them. I'm not a fan of exclusivity, especially since pretty much everything else in the game is something everyone can get.)
I kind of actually like that they leveled the playing field, but I'm just not a fan of how they lock the things they do behind the login milestones. Exclusive sigils or something is fine with me, but weapons and primed mods? Weapons count for mastery, and sometimes those primed mods are kind of nice.
I don't know what other games you've been playing, but just because a lot of games have bad reward mechanics doesn't make it good. That's like saying "smoking is fine, because everyone does it." GW2 has a pretty good login system in place there, they have a 28 day repeat cycle (if I'm remembering correctly).
It's not "just the way of things," and that shouldn't be an excuse for having a poor login system anyway.