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    +Critical Chance on Slide needs to be removed or changed

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    2 minutes ago, (PS4)Lei-Lei_23 said:

    And that goes against what DE stated that with the Focus rework they would buff the Madurai, Unairu, and Vazarin schools to match / fall in line with Naramon and Zenurik.

    they also talked about unintended perma invis afaik. i fully expect naramon and possibly zenurik to get nerfed.

    unpopular opinion i know but the base shadow step ability feels good to me ... like a step not a long walk ... briefly serving to hide &#! and break enemy targeting locks. i wouldn't actually mind making the max rank duration shorter (like what the base is now).

    i just hope we don't get some cooldown bs like the late telos boltace did.

    +Critical Chance on Slide needs to be removed or changed

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    Posted · Edited by ..atom..

    what if i told you naramon is getting nerfed with the focus rework?

    edit: melee should be a powerful alternative to gunplay. i agree melee rivens weren't at all needed but they are here to stay. now please stop trying to ruin the game by clinging to this "ermahgerd everyone is slide spamming" nonsense and deciding what is endgame for the rest of us.

    +Critical Chance on Slide needs to be removed or changed

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    1 hour ago, Magneu said:

    "Play privately, if you're tired of people abusing a mechanic that outscales practically everything else in-game, to the point of making public games (the lifeblood of an online game) unenjoyable".

    Yes, it's a horde game, but that doesn't mean 360 degree OHKO with no skill involved should be so commonplace. It makes the entire game feel cheap.

    If a "badass ninja" spins like a Beyblade that ingested 2kg of cocaine and chugged a Rockstar for twently minutes straight, sure.

    OHKO level 80 mobs is normal...when accounting for buffs, combos with multipliers, building a combo counter, and good weapons. Not spinning non-stop. And yes, power-gamers will always try to find the most "effective" tactic; so why do we allow it to exist? Also, claiming the "overwhelming majority" of the playerbase enjoys it is a an appeal to the masses fallacy. Ergo, invalid.

    "This power is not free and comes at a high cost." ...what? Maiming Strike (and rivens) are at a high cost precisely because that power. That is also irrelevant, the complaint I'm making is about the entire +crit chance on slide mechanic itself.

    And yes, I consider any use of Maiming Strike and the Atterax to be abuse, as it is orders stronger than any other melee option, not to mention any weapon option. Is it present in game, so you can use it? Yes. Should it be in the game? In my opinion, no.

    you are blowing this way out of proportion arguing that there's so much slide spam atterax abuse you just can't take it anymore. i'm sry but that's simply not true. yes some players do it but i really don't see it in the majority of my games and like i said i play pub a lot.

    there are many weapons on par with atterax basically any melee that can crit and proc slash reliably.

    1 hour ago, Buzkyl said:

    Except that your "fun" can actively ruin the way other play the game and creates an unhealthy step in the game's progression. Just because it's fun for you doesn't make it necessarily a good thing.

    See Limbo stasis

    yes "fun" is a subjective thing and by going in a public lobby you should have a healthy dose of tolerance because your "fun" can be ruined by a lot of things in this game. the solution is not to nerf them but to work on your expectations and use private lobby if all else fails.

    1 hour ago, Buzkyl said:

    lol, where do i begin.

    • It takes less skill as you're spamming only one attack repeatedly
    • You're hardly darting in an out, at best you're just slidig toward's groups and wiping them out than actual melee play which would use combo, blocking ect.
    • With Naramon focus focus, the "risk" is removed entirely.
    • Arguably, range combat takes more skill as range combat require general aiming of weaponry compared to sliding around like top.

    i realize now using the word "skill" triggered something. i'll just say many players like to enjoy a casual game where they can feel powerful.

    i'm not advocating spamming slide or using macros i'm arguing for the regular player like myself who likes to use slide attacks to clear a bunch of enemies in a 5-10m radius.

    1 hour ago, Buzkyl said:

    And it's the Dev job to fix abuse of game mechanics. The notion of "players wil always find exploits" is extremely shallow, it's a cycle however it's one that exist ofr a reason, through such reasoning why even bother fix bugs if new ones are gonna pop up anyway?

    Just because people enjoy it does not mean it's okay. Players will never turn down being more powerful.

    there will always be something, some players such as yourself, will find too cheesy or OP in this game. this is not an exploit or a bug.

    1 hour ago, Buzkyl said:

    Except it stacks with maiming Strike, so the notion of it being an alternative is faulty, it's more power creep.

    so instead of 1hk mobs players will be able to 1hk mobs oh the horror! ... btw there are only 8 slots for modding 

    1 hour ago, Buzkyl said:

    The problem still exist whether 1 or 1000 people are experiencing it.

    well that's exactly the reason why i'm bothering to reply here arguing that if 1 player's fun is ruined by the other 1000's notion of fun it's not the latter that should be forced to adapt.

    +Critical Chance on Slide needs to be removed or changed

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    Posted

    make a private lobby if you want to play it your way. don't ruin it for everyone else.

    warframe is not some strategic game with few mobs, it's a horde game stuff like this is needed.

    to me it feels badass ninja darting in and out of groups of enemies mowing them down and seeing red crits. it takes a bit of skill and there's risk involved (compared to using a ranged primary).

    1hk level 80 mobs is normal taking into account melee scales. some players will always find ways to abuse the game and try to afk farm. in my experience this almost never happens and i pub most of my games. no need to nerf something the overwhelming majority of the playerbase enjoys.

    this power is not free and comes at a high cost. i'm thinking this was added to rivens in order to give a bit more power to players who don't have access to maiming strike.

    fact is your making it sound everyone is abusing atterax slide spam and this is certainly not the case so please stop trying to ruin the game.

    Drop Rates, Datamines, and Digital Extremes (DDD).

    in Developer Workshops

    Posted

    8 hours ago, EmptyDevil said:

    That would make sense if DE was on the fence about punishing him and haven't acted. Seeing how they already have done something as punishment, it would be pointless for me to make an attempt like that, right?

    I simply do not like how people blindly vouch for a guy who was clearly in the wrong, all while he claims to be innocent and not responsible for things he did or influenced directly.

    All DE really needs is proof that he broke their agreements that are detailed in the Terms and EULA to issue a ban or punishment. He agreed to it like everyone else that is playing Warframe, so he is subject to it like everyone else, if he wants to enjoy Warframe's content.

    Again, i appreciated the drop rates and drop locations he provided. However, that script leak and other things that didn't bring about anything good, combined with his unapologetic attitude in Discord+elsewhere, does not make me feel sorry for him in the slightest.

    no one is blindly vouching here. nobody is 100% a saint we all apparently do questionable things at one point or another, DE as well.

    afaik he's already punished/banned from playing the game for breaking the TOS.

    the argument is his actions in the end were beneficial to the game and community (drop rates, weapon stats). i can argue the TWW script leak caused DE to rewrite a better version in the end. i can argue leaked pics built hype.

    having said that i also believe leaking artwork/scripts without DE's consent was wrong. however threatening legal action was a bit too much imho and i think it should only be used as a last resort after exhausting other means of communication and opportunities for cooperation which didn't happen.

    Drop Rates, Datamines, and Digital Extremes (DDD).

    in Developer Workshops

    Posted · Edited by ..atom..

    41 minutes ago, Operative_Shift said:

    Yes, but DE needs to put the time and money into transparency.

    are you trying to argue DE doesn't already have this in their game because the community picked up the slack? that stopped them putting time and money into it? you can't be serious.

    imho the issue is that a line was crossed and it forced them to take a different stand for understandable reasons. it's one of the "this is why we can't have nice things" type situations. i still have hope for going a more cooperative route.

    41 minutes ago, Operative_Shift said:

    Not if it's pulling the information directly from the game, kind of like the way it does with the relic system now. It would just be transmitting what exists

    oh like how the UI and patch notes are always accurate and we never had cases of screwed stats that got cleared due to extensive community testing and "data mining" :clem:

    Drop Rates, Datamines, and Digital Extremes (DDD).

    in Developer Workshops

    Posted

    33 minutes ago, Operative_Shift said:

    I actually think about it this way.. If Void hadn't been around, the community would've been in an uproar for information straight out of the gate, and pressed DE for a resource like this A LOT sooner. Had this resource NOT been available to us, for the sake of transparency (and also Canadian guilt lol) they would've had no choice but to create the site for us themselves several years ago. 

    Let's face it, both DE and the community used Void as a crutch. We should've been pressing the entire time the "datamines" were going on for an IN GAME resource, rather than having to seek things outside of game. 

    can you honestly say that with a straight face? *badumtss* .. the community have ALWAYS pressed DE for more transparency and more information about how the game works. 

    this happened organically out of necessity, saving time and money for DE.

    i don't even want to imagine how the wiki would look if it were solely in the hands of DE when they can barely handle patch notes. we would probably get information added with the same speed we get mag reworks. also we kinda need 3rd party verification since DE has a bad track record regarding accuracy in certain cases.

    don't get me wrong the game is amazing but how it's presented to the player is severely lacking in the UI. also i'm not convinced the wealth of information wiki has can ever fit comfortably in the game's UI and i don't mind going outside the game for it.

    Drop Rates, Datamines, and Digital Extremes (DDD).

    in Developer Workshops

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Operative_Shift said:

    The Definition of Datamining from an ACTUAL Computer Engineer

    I'll just leave this here for ya'll to stew on. 

    And here's a shorter version, not from a Computer Engineer, but still covers the information about the ACTUAL definition of datamining. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB6XMEFPxA8

    Kthnxbai!! <3 <3

    whatever you want to call it, the actions of Void_Glitch and other "data miners" of providing information, without which we wouldn't have such a comprehensive wiki, vital to the game, also act as a "fact checker" for DE's Warframe. 

    don't be like a certain prez slandering ppl for showing the truth.

    yes there are aspects that i agree should not be leaked but i think cooperation could be a better path of achieving both transparency and data security.

    Fomorian invasion and the imperator vandal

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    32 minutes ago, LSG501 said:

    I've got around 100k endo in ayatan statues if/when I need it....400 isn't going to make much of a difference.

    While 400 is a good amount in itself it's not exactly something I (and others) want to have a 75% drop chance and one of the parts we want is around 2.5% drop chance....yeah thats a fair ratio.....

    the thing is weapon parts are supposed to be rare therefore i don't think we will see better drop chances for them. imho 400 endo is a fair reward for the time invested / mission compared to the rest of the game and it's drop history (o forma where art thou).

    9 minutes ago, ViS4GE said:

    It's just outdated amount, 5 cores were great back in the day. Right now I can just spend 20 min buying ayatas 5p each and end up with 100k+ endo.

    400 endo is terribly low considering that first you also need to farm isotopes and craft disruptors.

    don't think it's fair comparing mission rewards to market values that are not universally available to players.

    Melee rivens vs. riven cap

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    Posted

    2 hours ago, Hypernaut1 said:

    I think choosing an average of 20 weapons per class to rivenize is a good thing. I'm sure most players DON'T use 20 weapons per class anyway. 

    Some people just like to hoard.

    I went mind if they do increase it a little, but I think it should stay limited.

    collecting is a huge part of this game. i have all the frames and weapons and i like to use many of them. 20/class is severely limiting considering how many weapons are in the game and the number is only rising. 

    Melee rivens vs. riven cap

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    Posted

    7 minutes ago, Katinka said:

    How many people have hit 60?

    im sure there are dozens of us! DOZENS!!!

    anyway my point was that the 60 limit seemed reasonable for primary and secondary weapons but adding melee rivens (melee are proportionally the largest weapon category i think) without extending that limit seems a bit of an extreme limitation to me. one that will eventually end up forcing players to abandon trading rivens (like me) and therefore have a negative impact.

    Melee rivens vs. riven cap

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    Posted · Edited by ..atom..

    i sure hope they extend the max from 60 to something like 100 given how many melee weapons are in the game and how many of us have reached the 60 limit already.

    tbh i can't see myself letting go of most of my rivens (which is one of the reasons i hardly ever trade rivens anymore, as i have no room to play around) ... without that extra capacity i would be forced to forgo my interest in melee rivens.

    Drop Rates, Datamines, and Digital Extremes (DDD).

    in Developer Workshops

    Posted · Edited by ..atom..

    1 hour ago, Mak_Gohae said:

    1. Like i just said above, you are playing their game and you need to abide by their rules. You wanting to play the game like you like is not a good argument. They set the rules. Be friendly and give reasons and hope they see your side. Taking number they dont provide and then getting angry about it is not going to help in this situation.

    2. It's not info they provide and you take.

    3. Im pretty sure my question is clear in what i am asking. Dont know what exactly you are taking from it to translate to me saying 15% crit is bad.

    Is it enough to mod for crit for a weapon with meh crit?

    I am asking if the EB bonus, the 15%, will give you a wider range of weapons to use for you min/maxers. Does it mean that you can equip a weapon with meh crit. A weapon with meh crit. A WEAPON WITH MEH CRIT.

    Is this the part that's confusing, somehow? I am asking if it's fine to use a weapon that doesnt have high crit but average (meh) crit.

    Do you understand now? Cause i dont it can make it any clearer.

    4. Not really, you guys keep answering by posting builds instead of saying why that info is essential.

    Im trying to get you guys to create an actual argument thats not, "I want numbers cause i use numbers!" If this is all you got i can see why DE takes so long in giving numbers. Because they are not making Number Cruncher The Game, they are making Warframe.

     

     

    1. their game yes but my time and money which i wouldn't spend if i didn't enjoy. i'm not going to comment on rules which i agreed to. i am friendly, i gave reasons.

    2. and like the wiki if someone didn't "take" that information and share, many players probably wouldn't be here for lack of information which they considered to be essential.

    3. i'm sorry it seems i was confused. if i understand you correctly the answer to your question can only be found on the wiki here http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Exalted_Blade. afaik  most of the stats on that page are datamined and it would be impossible to answer you without it since it's not presented anywhere ingame.

    edit:

    28 minutes ago, sinisteran said:

    Nope, because what you are doing is exercising free speech unless you are actively defaming them. But if you went Datamined Harrows questline and posted all audio dialogue, script etc then yes.

    i think even if DE could prove financial loss due to data mined / leaked unfinished content for their beta (not final) game they don't need to for reasons already stated in this thread and i'm sure it won't be the case.

    my heart goes out to both parties involved and i hope DE reconsiders and sets another example for the industry by being honest and allowing data miners to cooperate with them.

     

    Drop Rates, Datamines, and Digital Extremes (DDD).

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    Posted · Edited by ..atom..

    56 minutes ago, sinisteran said:

    If DE didnt have actual proof. They wont say anything. This is a multi million company and not some child in a playground.

    the probem is the scripts and mines werent final. So they arent the final form and is subject to changes. Ppl seeing this would get the wrong perception and judge preemptively. When the final product could be massively better.

    maybe they have proof maybe this is just a scare tactic to ensure there are no leaks prior to TennoCon ... multi million companies make mistakes like the rest of us.

    edit: i absolutely understand why DE doesn't want 3rd party unauthorised leaked scripts and artwork. i think in truth any dedicated player feels the same. maybe there's a better way to get there through more peaceful channels than "talk to my lawyer". obviously there can always be unwilling parties but i don't think Void_Glitch is that as he seemed willing to discuss the matter with DE staff in a cooperative stance.

    the whole game is subject to change even officially released stuff. it's still beta.

    edit: ppl seeing this could potentially get the wrong perception and judge preemptively. is that considered proof of revenue loss?

    Drop Rates, Datamines, and Digital Extremes (DDD).

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    Posted

    1 hour ago, sinisteran said:

    5. I did say in the start and in the TLDR that data mining under fair use is 100 percent fine and I don't think tis fair that you purposely left it out, especially when it was the first line of my text. I Also stated Void is not directly responsible for the Umbra hack. But he is also not 100 percent innocent unless he can 100 percent prove the datamine did not in anyway assist the hackers in doing it. DE stated that they could prove his mines were involved.

    9. You used the weakest example I made to talk about damages and also the one which was not in my main paragraph so it makes me feel that you cant argue about the script leak. I mainly asserted about War within. Let me break it down further and more simple. Script gets hacked. Player reads it, disappointed, CBF to return to the game = a potential loss in platinum sale. OR New prime access leaked. Players not hyped CBF to buy plat to trade for it with players. OR rich person interested in game- see script, no longer interested in buying plat to get good stuff or to level mastery faster. - can you say with 100 percent no one fits in these 3 categories? Even if there is only 3 people that had intended to do this, that's 3 sales. I could think of a few more but I don't think those are reasonable enough so I wont bother.


    Federal law 17 U.S.C. § 504(b) "The copyright owner is entitled to recover the actual damages suffered by him or her as a result of the infringement, and any profits of the infringer that are attributable to the infringement and are not taken into account in computing the actual damages. In establishing the infringer’s profits, the copyright owner is required to present proof only of the infringer’s gross revenue, and the infringer is required to prove his or her deductible expenses and the elements of profit attributable to factors other than the copyrighted work."

    So I guess what DE would do is show the difference in growth after the second dream to the War Within (which was leaked) and also Octavias anthem ( script not leaked) as well as the number of sales loss of a datamined prime and a non datamined prime taking away inflation, product growth, exposure. ETC ANy accountants here?

    12. I explained above. He wont be personally liable since its not murder or battery something like that but his parents would be liable to pay the damages.- I agree this is BS but thats how it works. Stolen movies for example...Parents pay the damages to the studio.

    13. DE has no plans to sue the kid. Its bad business unless hes secretly Bill Gates son in which I immediately change my argument and F*** DE! Yah you guys are wrong. But this is more of a warning. Its a C&D...They want him to stop because it has lead to damages in their revenue stream. I am sure if Voids actions was making them money this would be ignored. But potentially the games security was compromised...and well I am sorry but I think I agree with DE on this one. Vacuum tho? F*** that S#&amp;&#036;. I want it inert. I really do personally see it this time that DE was not at fault.

    5, you seem to know what you are talking about but afaik DE didn't exactly say they have proof. for all we know their "evidence" is that one reddit post in which Void claims to know how the hack was done after the fact, but doesn't want to share the info for security purposes (clearly with the intention of keeping DE from harm). that doesn't mean he's involved.

    also i don't think he has to prove anything as it is DE that has the burden of proof in this case. am i wrong?

    9. i can argue that any leak actually builds hype and results in boosted sales unless the quality is low in which case a leak can help them remedy the situation and release a better product. afaik they are selling a long term service here it's in DE's best interest to sell high quality so they have returning customers. i'm pretty sure TWW resulted in better sales despite being leaked when compared to octavia's anthem

    i can also argue that taking legal action against an innocent teenager (if he wasn't involved in the hack) that has helped the community and ultimately DE to such an extent and therefore losing the respect and dedication of the playerbase can indeed lead to revenue loss.

    Drop Rates, Datamines, and Digital Extremes (DDD).

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    Posted

    4 hours ago, Mak_Gohae said:

    I understand min/maxing but the questions are, cant you mix/max with the numbers available? Why dont you just politely ask for more numbers? Why do you need to hack the game to get these numbers and act like this is needed to play the game? 

    The numbers people want every number that exist in the game and if DE doesnt provide it yesterday DE is some super evil monsters. 

    I understand that this is how some people play the game but you folks need to understand that this is not required info the game makers need to give you. 

    This is what i wrote. 

    Is it enough to mod for crit for a weapon with meh crit?

    I am clearly asking if the bonus is helpful for certain weapons. Tell me how this is applied, i asked a question i didnt make a statement. 

    1. players have been politely asking for those things for years! this data is needed to play the game the way we like to. knowing how to achieve maximum potential.

    2. data mining is not hacking.

    3. "meh crit" is a statement and it shows you don't have a grasp on stats and modding because 15% crit on a longsword is not meh! i already said it's crit viable in my previous reply.

    4. seems to me you were given answers and arguments time and time again yet you keep asking the same questions. i don't want to be mean maybe english is not your native language (it's not mine either) but i honestly don't know how to make it clearer for you if you still don't get it.

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