TheLegendCore

I understand what you mean, and to be clear I didn't say the DR is bad, all Im saying here is that Eclipse used to be one of our best Dmg abilities prior to the nerf, but now there is no dmg ability that can do what eclipse used to be able to do. The update was meant to improve the ability which it didnt. Also my question is why not make it 60%? with 60% the dmg output in some cases would be still as much as roar(since roar double dips), and some cases xata does a better job, and some cases like eidolons eclipse would be the best. I think it would be good to have different abilities for different situations.

So a few patches ago eclipse was Nerfed in an intend to be more consistent from before. The problem was that a more consistent eclipse would overshadow other abilities in helminth system which was totally understandable (If it went live without nerfing I would have putted in on every single frame I had !) so they decided to make 2 changes, first change it form multiplicative to additive second make it 350%. Just like other players this made me unhappy in the beginning but running the math I found that it would still be more than enough for 90% of the content it is used for and it had lots of potential. But after a so called "listening to our players" stream they announced that they will make it multiplicative again (So hooray) but they would reduce the value to 30% (YUCK !). Now after trying eclipse in different situations I found out that it is not good enough for majority of contents. Here are some examples : 1- For general use in missions Xata, roar and nourish are much better options because they each have unique interactions example being roar dmg buff to status effects, xata and incarnons and etc. 2- For eidolons simply there is no difference between Xata, Roar and Eclipse. In some cases Roar is even better since it applies to everyone. Expert players dont even need eclipse since they can one shot anyways with fancy rivens and other mechanisms. 3- For profit taker Xata, Roar, Eclipse are simply not high enough (eclipse used to be one of the best options here). Vex armor still does a good enough job (please dont nerf). So my conclusion is that Eclipse is being overshadowed by other abilities. Now tell me if Im wrong but I don't think anyone would disagree with a minor buff to eclipse to make it at least 60-75% and see how that does everything. From things being now eclipse is just not good enough for anything, I mean sure the dmg reduction is good but no one will use that. people simply prefer to use easier options for dmg reduction and most of the players don't even consider eclipse as a dmg reduction ability. Lets talk more about this, I think eclipse is dying and it needs to be saved.

For every single content in the game at the moment, there is a better ability to use compared to eclipse. It is pretty much useless at the moment, the dmg reduction does nothing after certain points since you get 1 shot anyways, and the strength is just too low. My suggestion is to first use xata, roar, Smite, Nourish depending on what you want to do. There is not a single content in which eclipse is better if not being way worse. My second suggestion is to simply delete the ability and forget it ever existed. No one cares about the ability anymore and it has been already forgotten. If you do the simple math you can see that if eclipse was changed to additive dmg type and not at 350% that they introduced but only at 200% it would have done MUCH better than a 30% multiplicative (and by much I mean like 2-3 times stronger). They dont understand that the reason people were not happy with 350% was that it was worse than 150% multiplicative which they were right, but making it 30% is like telling people to stay quite, if you complain more we will nerf it further. Eclipse needs to be at least 75% to be better in some situations compared to other helminth abilities, until then simply just dont use it. R.I.P Eclipse. GGs.

I know you guys want to sound smart by saying : we found the perfect adjustments, LOS. we are so creative and smart. But no, just no, it feels really bad, it is realy awful and it is not a smart nerf. But you never listen and you persist on your mistakes. Fed my dante to helminth since im 99% sure you wont fix anything about him, just 2-3 years later you see how awful he is then release augment mods for him and then after a week you nerf the augment mod again and the same thing happens again and again.

At this point im just 100% sure no one in digital extremes play this game. They have no idea how warframes work, how people do missions, how buffs work, how mods work. Like they dont even know the basic mechanics. Also i think either they dont supervise their Dev streams OR people running Dev streams have nothing to do with the actual developers. If you are going to release a none-sense nerf at least be honest about it! We are at a point where every single update is making majority of players unhappy. They dont have a test server, they dont have a testing team, they don't listen to feedbacks, they don't monitor how changes affect the game. Anyways warframe dosent fail to disappoint once again. Next, nerf the daily login rewards they are too OP. LOL

Congratulations DE, You made eclipse absolutely useless !! just deleted the ability from every single one of my frames that had it. 30% does nothing special, Roar is 150% stronger and applies to everyone. Now nerf Roar lol. GGs.

Cmon DE come to your senses !! can we please get 350% additive like you said at first? Or like 200% additive? anything is better than this useless 30%. Its like people told you dont nerf it and you said ok ! we nerf it more LOL. If this goes live I know that Im deleting the game until it gets fixed.

LOL the previous 350% additive was better (more total damage). I dont get people thanking DE, thanks for what? 30% means many end game content such as Eidolons and PT is gone for mid tier players. and why would you even compare it to roar? Eclipse needs to be at least 75-100% to be able to do the bare minimum. But hey Thanks DE for helping me to quite the game little by little.

had the same issue, just finish tutorial on your device and then try again should fix the problem