Scherhardt Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I have read many people say that, but where has DE said they would be identical? It would make sense of course but looking at the art of the guns I have some problems seeing how the Detron could have been a shotgun. Both bronco and Brakk are wide rather bulky looking weapons while the Detron looked very slim. I didn't really want a one handed shotgun, wish we had gotten the Detron cause despite what everyone says I doubt it would have been a shotgun. I have a feeling that Detron was a mini Lanka for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottFaust Posted October 31, 2013 Author Share Posted October 31, 2013 what are the real crit stats? cause here i read 33% chance and 200% dmg while on wiki there are different infos, just as confirmation Those are the stats after mod adjustment. The base is 15% / 200% as pulled from the arsenal UI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krysis_V Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I actually think the spread is rather large. But since it's a shotgun side, I think its fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrothyOmen Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I'm so excited to rank up and forma this weapon to infinity and beyond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lautalocos Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Take a look at what's being done with Damage 2.0. "Argument is somewhat invalid." and now, the brakk master race begins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patzer Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Lack of innate armor ignore. Effective DPS is probably a lot lower than the Despair. Argument is somewhat invalid. Well, there's no guarantee that all of those pellets will hit. Also, there's damage falloff and not all of those pellets are gonna hit the same weakspot. This calculation assumes perfect conditions. Feel free to try provide better data. what are the real crit stats? cause here i read 33% chance and 200% dmg while on wiki there are different infos, just as confirmation .... And btw nice post faust, havent been arsed to calculate these myself yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archistopheles Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Fire Rate :: 11.6 rounds per second Please include somewhere that in order to achieve your listed DPS, you either need to be a super-human, or have a macro'd mouse/keyboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patzer Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Please include somewhere that in order to achieve your listed DPS, you either need to be a super-human, or have a macro'd mouse/keyboard. Yeah because we really can't assume people to think themselves. While at it faust should include to their post how base-10 numeral system works for just in case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottFaust Posted October 31, 2013 Author Share Posted October 31, 2013 Please include somewhere that in order to achieve your listed DPS, you either need to be a super-human, or have a macro'd mouse/keyboard. To be fair: I can maintain ~10 and I'm definitely not superhuman... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archistopheles Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 (edited) Yeah because we really can't assume people to think themselves. While at it faust should include to their post how base-10 numeral system works for just in case. I said please... Your hostility is admirable, but misguided. To be fair: I can maintain ~10 and I'm definitely not superhuman... Yes you are. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Edited October 31, 2013 by Archistopheles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patzer Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I said please... Your hostility is admirable, but misguided. true... NOW YOU MADE ME FEEL BAD! APOLOGIZE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikki79 Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 (edited) Using a macro recording program and clicking as fast as I can it recorded the delays between clicks from 65-98ms. That's roughly 10-15 clicks per second. Of course actually aiming while clicking like that is a bit more difficult, and I'm guessing you'll damage your mouse and maybe your fingers if you keep clicking like that for hours. Doesn't seem superhuman to me. I do use a macro sometimes but I set the delay to 70ms something that's somewhat doable without a macro. Setting it to 1ms seems a bit unfair. Edited November 2, 2013 by Mikki79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Phoenix86 Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 i see ok, Faust, what were Acrid's DPS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alocrius Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 I can't help but pointing out that the Detron is probably completely identical to the Brakk outside of visuals. I love a good conspiracy theory. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottFaust Posted November 2, 2013 Author Share Posted November 2, 2013 (edited) i see ok, Faust, what were Acrid's DPS?Do you really want to know? Hint - It's obscene. Edit: Ok here it is with a human-capable build (no one can click 15.725 times a second so Gunslinger is a waste with Lethal Torrent). Build Barrel Diffusion Convulsion Deep Freeze Heated Charge Hornet Strike Ice Storm Lethal Torrent No Return DPS 89272.186 Full Data Name :: Acrid Magazine Size :: 21 Total Ammo :: 241 Crit Chance :: 2.5% Crit Damage Multiplier :: 200% Fire Rate :: 10.672 rounds per second Reload Time :: 1.2 seconds Damage :: 1052.8 Damage Shields :: 1276.8 Damage Corpus :: 1254.4 Damage Grineer :: 1052.8 Damage Infested :: 1254.4 Crit Damage :: 2105.6 Crit Damage to Shields :: 2553.6 Crit Damage to Corpus :: 2508.8 Crit Damage to Grineer :: 2105.6 Crit Damage to Infested :: 2508.8 Average Damage :: 1079.12 Average Damage to Shields :: 1308.72 Average Damage to Corpus :: 1285.76 Average Damage to Grineer :: 1079.12 Average Damage to Infested :: 1285.76 Damage per Mag :: 22661.52 Damage per Mag to Shields :: 27483.12 Damage per Mag to Corpus :: 27000.96 Damage per Mag to Grineer :: 22661.52 Damage per Mag to Infested :: 27000.96 Peak Number of DoTs active :: 104.0 Time to Peak DoTs :: 37 seconds Peak DoT DPS :: 82118.4 Peak DoT DPS to Shields :: 99590.4 Peak DoT DPS to Corpus :: 97843.2 Peak DoT DPS to Grineer :: 82118.4 Peak DoT DPS to Infested :: 97843.2 DPS :: 89272.186 DPS to Shields :: 108266.268 DPS to Corpus :: 106366.86 DPS to Grineer :: 89272.186 DPS to Infested :: 106366.86 Burst DPS :: 93634.769 Burst DPS to Shields :: 113557.06 Burst DPS to Corpus :: 111564.831 Burst DPS to Grineer :: 93634.769 Burst DPS to Infested :: 111564.831 Edited November 2, 2013 by GottFaust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ast00 Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 Not bad. It's the secondary version of strun wraith. Strun Wraith is S#&$ compared to this. I mean it has half the DPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extinction_Engine Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 Almost 90k for the Acrid?! How did it escape the nerf hammer? I mean, why introduce damage fall-off to prevent hek sniping, or nerfing the Gorgon's accuracy, and then release something like this? It's the Reegar Carbine all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maljas23 Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 Almost 90k for the Acrid?! How did it escape the nerf hammer? I mean, why introduce damage fall-off to prevent hek sniping, or nerfing the Gorgon's accuracy, and then release something like this? It's the Reegar Carbine all over again. No idea why it hasn't been nerfed yet. Boggles the mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archistopheles Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 No idea why it hasn't been nerfed yet. Boggles the mind Armor 2.0 Acrid will be almost worthless vs Robots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl_Facehugger Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 Take a look at what's being done with Damage 2.0. >Implying that everything isn't going to be rebalanced for damage 2.0. Roffles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patzer Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 (edited) Do you really want to know? Hint - It's obscene. Edit: Ok here it is with a human-capable build (no one can click 15.725 times a second so Gunslinger is a waste with Lethal Torrent). Build Barrel Diffusion Convulsion Deep Freeze Heated Charge Hornet Strike Ice Storm Lethal Torrent No Return DPS89272.186 Full Data Name :: Acrid Magazine Size :: 21 Total Ammo :: 241 Crit Chance :: 2.5% Crit Damage Multiplier :: 200% Fire Rate :: 10.672 rounds per second Reload Time :: 1.2 seconds Damage :: 1052.8 Damage Shields :: 1276.8 Damage Corpus :: 1254.4 Damage Grineer :: 1052.8 Damage Infested :: 1254.4 Crit Damage :: 2105.6 Crit Damage to Shields :: 2553.6 Crit Damage to Corpus :: 2508.8 Crit Damage to Grineer :: 2105.6 Crit Damage to Infested :: 2508.8 Average Damage :: 1079.12 Average Damage to Shields :: 1308.72 Average Damage to Corpus :: 1285.76 Average Damage to Grineer :: 1079.12 Average Damage to Infested :: 1285.76 Damage per Mag :: 22661.52 Damage per Mag to Shields :: 27483.12 Damage per Mag to Corpus :: 27000.96 Damage per Mag to Grineer :: 22661.52 Damage per Mag to Infested :: 27000.96 Peak Number of DoTs active :: 104.0 Time to Peak DoTs :: 37 seconds Peak DoT DPS :: 82118.4 Peak DoT DPS to Shields :: 99590.4 Peak DoT DPS to Corpus :: 97843.2 Peak DoT DPS to Grineer :: 82118.4 Peak DoT DPS to Infested :: 97843.2 DPS :: 89272.186 DPS to Shields :: 108266.268 DPS to Corpus :: 106366.86 DPS to Grineer :: 89272.186 DPS to Infested :: 106366.86 Burst DPS :: 93634.769 Burst DPS to Shields :: 113557.06 Burst DPS to Corpus :: 111564.831 Burst DPS to Grineer :: 93634.769 Burst DPS to Infested :: 111564.831 I'm getting 45503,7 burst DPS with that build and dpsframe.com shows 45504. What are your base stats on Acrid? I'm using 25 + dot with 4 times 18,5 dmg ticks so 100dmg per shot, fire rate 6,67, crit change 2,5% and multi 150% Edit: But I get _exactly_ your dps with Brakk, on third freaking decimal. 24971,4621935.... Edited November 2, 2013 by Patzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottFaust Posted November 2, 2013 Author Share Posted November 2, 2013 (edited) Armor 2.0 Acrid will be almost worthless vs Robots. The poison DoT Proc will be a percent chance too rather than guaranteed. Furthermore: all Poison weapons (Embolist included) will have it. I'm getting 45503,7 burst DPS with that build and dpsframe.com shows 45504. What are your base stats on Acrid? I'm using 25 + dot with 4 times 18,5 dmg ticks so 100dmg per shot, fire rate 6,67, crit change 2,5% and multi 150% The DoT DPS is calculated separately through a "realistic" simulation in my DPSCalc. Would you like the code that does it? Edited November 2, 2013 by GottFaust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarties Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 So the Brakk is now 2nd place behind Acrid? Lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patzer Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 The DoT DPS is calculated separately through a "realistic" simulation in my DPSCalc. Would you like the code that does it? Mayybe but mostly im curious about how many ticks per dot your simulation does and how much damage per tick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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