Is it possible to open up non-recurring event skins for trade?

[WisdomOfTheWoods]

Just today, I realized there was an Oberon skin that was in a purchasable pack that has already long past it's availability on a platform I have never played Warframe on, that I would have tried to buy in a heartbeat if I could. A big problem with items being sold in limited-time deals, especially on other platforms, is that it is difficult to even realize they are being sold, or that they have a limited time; by the time this is internalized, those items are gone and gone for good for anyone but a small group of people who bought them.

Similar to aura helmets, could time exclusive Warframe/Weapon skins be made tradable? This shouldn't step on the toes of anyone who already has the skin/s in question, and rather it could be helpful as a means of allowing players to trade unwanted skins for potentially enormous amounts of plat.

This could also be part of encouraging merging platforms into PC, as PC players would then have a chance to buy the skins from CP/CS accounts, or at least for their CP/CS accounts linked from PC.

I am wearing it on my sleeve: I really Really REALLY want that Oberon skin in question. I am sure there is enough players out there that also feel this strongly for one skin or another.

[Aruquae]

9 hours ago, WisdomOfTheWoods said:

Just today, I realized there was an Oberon skin that was in a purchasable pack that has already long past it's availability on a platform I have never played Warframe on, that I would have tried to buy in a heartbeat if I could. A big problem with items being sold in limited-time deals, especially on other platforms, is that it is difficult to even realize they are being sold, or that they have a limited time; by the time this is internalized, those items are gone and gone for good for anyone but a small group of people who bought them.

You know the specific name of the skin? It might’ve been an exclusive. And if it’s an exclusive (like the Heirloom) then it’s probably not coming back unless said otherwise. 

 

9 hours ago, WisdomOfTheWoods said:

Similar to aura helmets, could time exclusive Warframe/Weapon skins be made tradable? This shouldn't step on the toes of anyone who already has the skin/s in question, and rather it could be helpful as a means of allowing players to trade unwanted skins for potentially enormous amounts of plat.

Aura helmets were never truly a part of the “PC” only content. They just happened to be on only PC until DE’s like “You know, these items shouldn’t exist.”

9 hours ago, WisdomOfTheWoods said:

I am wearing it on my sleeve: I really Really REALLY want that Oberon skin in question. I am sure there is enough players out there that also feel this strongly for one skin or another.

While I agree others probably want the same thing, legal ties don’t let things slide just because we want it. 

[WisdomOfTheWoods]

4 hours ago, Aruquae said:

You know the specific name of the skin? It might’ve been an exclusive. And if it’s an exclusive (like the Heirloom) then it’s probably not coming back unless said otherwise.

The Oberon Obsidian skin. An alarming amount of time-limited skins from non-pc platforms wink out of existence.

4 hours ago, Aruquae said:

While I agree others probably want the same thing, legal ties don’t let things slide just because we want it. 

Contracts can be rewritten. It would even benefit Sony PS to know that in agreeing to make the existing skins more available even in the PC market, because people would buy them to resell them. This would benefit DE (provided they fix CP trading), because it would encourage people to "donate" for the plat to acquire those skins.

We already have an obscure precedent in the form of the phased skins, but that was most likely easier because it was probably already in the contract with steam.

[Aruquae]

1 minute ago, WisdomOfTheWoods said:

The Oberon Obsidian skin. An alarming amount of time-limited skins from non-pc platforms wink out of existence.

4 hours ago, Aruquae said:

Dang, I feel you. I personally want the Ivara Obsidian skin, but I don’t have a PlayStation. 

 

1 minute ago, WisdomOfTheWoods said:

Contracts can be rewritten.

While this is true, it takes time. Plus pride plays a part in it. If Sony didn’t let Warframe do it originally, they’re probably going to be stubborn for a few years. Also, not sure DE could bring back exclusives if they specified it. Some people could’ve gotten it specifically for FOMO. The legal ties go with DE, Sony, and the purchasers all wrapped into terms created, a contract. Apologies, I went Zhongli on you for a second. 

 

4 minutes ago, WisdomOfTheWoods said:

We already have an obscure precedent in the form of the phased skins, but that was most likely easier because it was probably already in the contract with steam.

Are you referring to Tennogen? If so, then ye it was a part of the contract. This is a good example with the legal bindings. DE would’ve had to get permission from Steam (because that’s the platform Tennogen is made on) along with the creator of Tennogen (both have to agree for it to work). 
Unless there are other “phased skins” that I got no clue about, which is completely possible. 

[WisdomOfTheWoods]

4 hours ago, Aruquae said:

And if it’s an exclusive (like the Heirloom)

BTW there have only been 2 heirloom drops, mag and frost (id buy oberon in a heartbeat but it wont be a while; ember's probs next from the speculation). There are also unique skins from a lot of packs that have existed and winked out.

What I am proposing is the idea to allow a lot of those skins to be made tradable. I am not proposing for the skins to be re-released in a package, as that would be a bit of a dropkick on the people who bought the packs already on the premise of colossal FOMO timegating. Instead, the current owners of the skin would be given the option to sell the skins for plat to other players. and because the skins would be limited in supply far below demand, they would of course be at very high plat numbers (which would benefit both the people willing to sell and DE because of course).

[WisdomOfTheWoods]

4 minutes ago, Aruquae said:

Are you referring to Tennogen?

Check the steam community marketplace by searching up "warframe"... There is an obscure existence which is a set of skins that players can buy and sell for steam store monies. They are called the Phased collection.

As for tennogen, since it is a contract between a bunch of individual devs and warframe in a cookie-cutter contract before they even publish to workshop, it would be a logistical nightmare to change terms for workshop items... So no, I agree that would be a bad idea, and that's not what I meant (plus those skins are pretty much available till beyond the foreseeable future, so theres no point).

 

5 minutes ago, Aruquae said:

Plus pride plays a part in it.

Pride? this is Corposium! Pride is a distant second to profit, and the prospect of Sony banking on the same thing twice and potentially drawing players to playstation would be worth a rewritten contract. And this is the same for all other consoles. It would almost be an addition to the contract once each of the involved parties would get their sizable slice of the refurbished digital pie.

 

7 minutes ago, Aruquae said:

The legal ties go with DE, Sony, and the purchasers all wrapped into terms created, a contract.

DE and Sony are the only two parties that bound to this day on a contract like that. The contract with customers ends the moment they buy and are satisfied, and these changes would be like adding something to player's product rather than taking away in a re-release of it.

[Aruquae]

Just now, WisdomOfTheWoods said:

What I am proposing is the idea to allow a lot of those skins to be made tradable. I am not proposing for the skins to be re-released in a package, as that would be a bit of a dropkick on the people who bought the packs already on the premise of colossal FOMO timegating. Instead, the current owners of the skin would be given the option to sell the skins for plat to other players. and because the skins would be limited in supply far below demand, they would of course be at very high plat numbers (which would benefit both the people willing to sell and DE because of course).

Ahhh, but that’s the thing. If they’re tradable would they only be tradable in the platform in which they were available? If you traded it so someone else would it still only be available in the same platform as it was bought? Does DE allow payed content to be directly traded outside of platinum? No, you can’t outright trade skins, only platinum for it. Plus, didn’t it come in a bundle? What would it’s market priced be considered? Inflation is guaranteed. 
The shot important question though, is does this benefit Sony? If not, what’s the point of Sony doing it? There not making money, if anything they’re losing out on a platform exclusive. They’d be livid after agreeing for an exclusive, just for DE to suggest otherwise. 
Anyway, that’s my two cents on it. It would be great, but these are probably the reason why

[Aruquae]

5 minutes ago, WisdomOfTheWoods said:

Check the steam community marketplace by searching up "warframe"... There is an obscure existence which is a set of skins that players can buy and sell for steam store monies. They are called the Phased collection.

As for tennogen, since it is a contract between a bunch of individual devs and warframe in a cookie-cutter contract before they even publish to workshop, it would be a logistical nightmare to change terms for workshop items... So no, I agree that would be a bad idea, and that's not what I meant (plus those skins are pretty much available till beyond the foreseeable future, so theres no point).

Woah, that’s new info. I learn something every day, thanks for the clarification

 

6 minutes ago, WisdomOfTheWoods said:

Pride? this is Corposium! Pride is a distant second to profit, and the prospect of Sony banking on the same thing twice and potentially drawing players to playstation would be worth a rewritten contract. And this is the same for all other consoles. It would almost be an addition to the contract once each of the involved parties would get their sizable slice of the refurbished digital pie.

 

You know how it goes, it’s the same reason you can’t play Sackboy on Switch, or Mario on PC. Companies love their exclusives. 

[WisdomOfTheWoods]

1 minute ago, Aruquae said:

Ahhh, but that’s the thing. If they’re tradable would they only be tradable in the platform in which they were available? If you traded it so someone else would it still only be available in the same platform as it was bought? Does DE allow payed content to be directly traded outside of platinum? No, you can’t outright trade skins, only platinum for it. Plus, didn’t it come in a bundle? What would it’s market priced be considered? Inflation is guaranteed. 
The shot important question though, is does this benefit Sony? If not, what’s the point of Sony doing it? There not making money, if anything they’re losing out on a platform exclusive. They’d be livid after agreeing for an exclusive, just for DE to suggest otherwise. 
Anyway, that’s my two cents on it. It would be great, but these are probably the reason why

Alot of good points there, but the proverbial dog has already been kicked. With CP slowly rolling out (albeit a mountain of bugs with it), you now have people with console-exclusive skins on other platforms, especially PC. The idea of making them tradable would benefit playstation in that people would actually consider linking accounts there just to buy the skins and packs, in order to port them to other consoles and accounts. Ontop of that, these are items that could be lucrative enough for DE to offer extra terms to counterbalance the "Reselling" of the products. They are still categorically an exclusive even if they are made tradable, as the only players on PC that would have them in stock are ones who linked accounts from playstation, or someone who traded for a skin.

As for what is being sold, it would be individual skins, which would be lucrative for the sheer fact that oftentimes, players buy the pack wanting a particular thing, and are willing to resell the other unwanted things for a sizable pile of plat based on its FOMO. Some will be diamond hands with their skins, but enough will like the prospect of trading them out for plat.

[Aruquae]

2 minutes ago, WisdomOfTheWoods said:

With CP slowly rolling out (albeit a mountain of bugs with it), you now have people with console-exclusive skins on other platforms, especially PC

Most of those have their separate contracts as stupid as it is (F Founders). I believe DE would’ve made those exclusives available if they could. Only reason they didn’t is because they can’t.

 

4 minutes ago, WisdomOfTheWoods said:

The idea of making them tradable would benefit playstation in that people would actually consider linking accounts there just to buy the skins and packs, in order to port them to other consoles and accounts.

It would seem like it, but companies don’t think things through. For example, Nintendo shot themselves in the foot when being too restrictive with their platinum. Now, no one wants to buy platinum on switch. They certainly weren’t thinking smartly, only greedily.(Eugh that sentence sounds off) 

 

6 minutes ago, WisdomOfTheWoods said:

They are still categorically an exclusive even if they are made tradable, as the only players on PC that would have them in stock are ones who linked accounts from playstation, or someone who traded for a skin.

That would seem to make sense, but I guarantee if they ever implemented this idea, it would still be locked only to PlayStation (as the obsidian skins are platform locked). 

 

9 minutes ago, WisdomOfTheWoods said:

As for what is being sold, it would be individual skins, which would be lucrative for the sheer fact that oftentimes, players buy the pack wanting a particular thing, and are willing to resell the other unwanted things for a sizable pile of plat based on its FOMO. Some will be diamond hands with their skins, but enough will like the prospect of trading them out for plat.

I’m almost certain that outside of Paladins, that’s not how money bundles work. 

[WisdomOfTheWoods]

13 minutes ago, Aruquae said:

You know how it goes, it’s the same reason you can’t play Sackboy on Switch, or Mario on PC. Companies love their exclusives. 

Honestly its less pride, and more a consolidation of content on platforms. As stated in my last post, CP/CS has blown this barrel out of the water by allowing players to be in the same lobby, only to realize there is a skin they never knew they wanted and may never get *coughs*. The reason Mario will (legally) be limited to the switch, is because they are not just selling Mario, but the switch. This is the same with Sackboy, as it is with the current state of streaming services. They are consolidating content in order to get people to come to their platform or storefront.

And if, say, the idea that you could get something you REALLY REALLY want for a game you play a LOT of as an exclusive, or the idea of being able to market off of the diffrent consoles (jesus christ this poltergeist will haunt warframe forever), it may be another selling point in of itself for people to try the playstation with a completionist mindset.

Plus its content in a game that has on the record admitted it wants to focus on PC. The exclusives are simply items, and items someone can only get for PC if they have a pile of plat or anything to do with playstation.

I may have sounded rushed; I have to go for the time being.

[Aruquae]

1 minute ago, WisdomOfTheWoods said:

The reason Mario will (legally) be limited to the switch, is because they are not just selling Mario, but the switch. This is the same with Sackboy, as it is with the current state of streaming services. They are consolidating content in order to get people to come to their platform or storefront.

Mmmm, that makes sense. I guess the same could be made for some exclusives. They want you to buy a switch to get the switch items (same with Xbox and PlayStation) it’s not exactly geared to just linking. This is the same with Amazon Prime. They want you to have Amazon Prime in order to get the exclusives. 

 

3 minutes ago, WisdomOfTheWoods said:

or the idea of being able to market off of the diffrent consoles (jesus christ this poltergeist will haunt warframe forever), it may be another selling point in of itself for people to try the playstation with a completionist mindset.

I do hope Warframe releases content for all platforms going forward due to cross save, 

 

4 minutes ago, WisdomOfTheWoods said:

I may have sounded rushed; I have to go for the time being.

A shame, I thought this was a productive conversation. Brainstorming what can or can’t work and whatnot

[Packetdancer]

3 hours ago, WisdomOfTheWoods said:

Check the steam community marketplace by searching up "warframe"... There is an obscure existence which is a set of skins that players can buy and sell for steam store monies. They are called the Phased collection.

And as an aside, if you are on PC via Steam, it's worth snagging the Asa Phased Syandana from that collection; last I checked it goes for like $2 on the Steam marketplace in player trading, and it's one of my favorite syandanas. Like a scarf made of plasma.

(That's all I have to contribute; I'd otherwise really just be repeating what WisdomOfTheWoods already said.)

[Str8Up_Gam3r]

I'm curious about any of the exclusive skins I do have. I merged my old PlayStation account with my PC account. I would like to use them but for some reason this is not possible?  I can look at them in my inventory, that's about it.  Any idea of this being able to be equipped or no word on it?  A lot to read above, curious if this was mentioned.  Ivara Obsidian, Oberon Obsidian and Excalibur Obsidian. Followed by any of the Obsidian weapon skins. 

[Aruquae]

6 hours ago, Str8Up_Gam3r said:

I'm curious about any of the exclusive skins I do have. I merged my old PlayStation account with my PC account. I would like to use them but for some reason this is not possible?  I can look at them in my inventory, that's about it.  Any idea of this being able to be equipped or no word on it?  A lot to read above, curious if this was mentioned.  Ivara Obsidian, Oberon Obsidian and Excalibur Obsidian. Followed by any of the Obsidian weapon skins. 

You’ll still have them, but you’ll only be able to use it on PlayStation. Much like if you had Excalibur Prime, it would only be available on PC. It was mentioned in the faq ages ago

This post brings back memories of a great constructive conversation, I wish OP’s suggestion went through. Would’ve been great to use Ivara Obsidian skin

[Str8Up_Gam3r]

Lame. I miss the skins.  I had the skin on my ivara after the cross save then one day it way taken off her. 

 

[Pragmatic_2015]

On 2024-02-15 at 12:50 PM, WisdomOfTheWoods said:

I am wearing it on my sleeve: I really Really REALLY want that Oberon skin in question. I am sure there is enough players out there that also feel this strongly for one skin or another.

What was the skin you were talking about????