How In Hell Oxium Is Lighter Then Air? Is This Even Possible?

[Ced23Ric]

that's actually a really neat idea.......

 

Only that it makes little to no sense at all. Even if that alloy would cause air to become more dense, it would float down and be replaced by thinner air, causing a perpetual cycle. That entire process requires energy, which would have to be provided by the metal - and either cool it down or eat it up, until it's inert or gone.

Edited February 6, 2014 by Letter13
No need to be rude.

[Loswaith]

Because none sent probes to analyze what gases there are in Jupiter some decade ago, and none can do spectral analysis with telescopes.

 

What? We stopped using stuff we find as-is some millenia ago when someone started making the first crappy bronze. The element table does not have holes, we know the properties of all elements in it and what elements are best suited for whatever.

 

Chemistry and materials science are where new stuff happens, we are well past the level of complexity that can be found naturally around.

 

That clichè existed only in fiction.

 

For biochemistry though (drugs and stuff) it's another matter, but we are talking of material science here.

Simple fact is you are using current earth based ideas and technology, your also presuming the universe is the same place as it is currently in the modern day. 

Hate to tell you the tecnocyte plague and the orokin and the wars with them have altered the solar system.  You simply cant use modern day knowledge and logic and expect it to apply (try applying the knowledge of the 1920s to modern day and you will have issues, and thats less than 100 years).  Planets in warframe with a breathable atmosphere that isnt earth are obviously just a figment of the imagination.  Its well over 1000 years in the future (hell tenno have been in cryostasisfor centuries).

 

The periodic table is a human construction, limited by what humans currently know. It has been expanded before, and can be done so again.  Humans have created elements that dont naturally exist on earth already as well.

Edited January 31, 2014 by Loswaith

[PROteinxstack]

Only that it makes little to no sense at all. Even if that alloy would cause air to become more dense, it would float down and be replaced by thinner air, causing a perpetual cycle. That entire process requires energy, which would have to be provided by the metal - and either cool it down or eat it up, until it's inert or gone.

Is physics still mandatory in school?

 

This is the closest I've seen anyone come to figuring it out.  All transformations require energy of some sort.  The Oxium BECOMES lighter than air when energy is applied to the alloy.  Think of the windows that become tinted when electricity is added.  We also now have those invisibility cloaks that by running electricity through them they bend light.  If the warframe was made of an alloy that was always lighter than air, it would be like it had low grav on ALL THE TIME.  Imagine getting shot by a rocket in a frame that was lighter than air, YOU WOULD BE BOUNCING AROUND LIKE ONE OF DEM SUPER BALLS U GET FROM DA SUPERMARKET.

 

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Edited January 31, 2014 by PROteinxstack

[noneuklid]

Only that it makes little to no sense at all. Even if that alloy would cause air to become more dense, it would float down and be replaced by thinner air, causing a perpetual cycle. That entire process requires energy, which would have to be provided by the metal - and either cool it down or eat it up, until it's inert or gone.

Is physics still mandatory in school?

 

Physics has never been mandatory in school -- which shows.  The movement of air from a high-pressure to a low-pressure region is one way of (inexactly) describing lift, which is (part of) the joke I was making.

 

Edit : You might appreciate this, though, especially in light of the fixed-wing thing.  A friend of mine and I were joking that, taken to its logical extreme, we really don't know anything about the Warframe universe -- so it may well be the case that, even if it approximates our own universe's physics, the atmosphere is incredibly dense and distributed evenly throughout the solar system.  The "lost Orokin alloy" may have once gone by another name -- steel.

Edited January 31, 2014 by noneuklid

[Farris]

Magic...science! MAGICSCIENCE!!

[PrincessWhite]

Here's some real BS for you people to consider:

 

Oxium is an alloy, developed by the Orokin. An alloy means that it's an mixture of different metals or minerals and the current in-game "lore" states that it's being manufactured by the Corpus and used for armor plating on their robots. The fact that it has already been manufactured in good quantities means that it's made out of existing available materials.

 

The item icon for Oxium shows yellow crystals growing out from an rock - as if it's some sort of natural mineral, except the "Oxium mineral" doesn't exist because Oxium is an alloy made out of already existing materials and I don't think that an manufactured plate of Oxium would or should look as it presently does in-game.

 

I don't think this whole thing was very well thought out at all.

[noneuklid]

I don't think this whole thing was very well thought out at all.

 

It's like everyone keeps saying -- and borne out by sci-fi time and time again:

 

Any sufficiently advanced metal is indistinguishable from crystal.

[Legion-Shields]

Only that it makes little to no sense at all. Even if that alloy would cause air to become more dense, it would float down and be replaced by thinner air, causing a perpetual cycle. That entire process requires energy, which would have to be provided by the metal - and either cool it down or eat it up, until it's inert or gone.

Is physics still mandatory in school?

I wasn't concerned with the proposed application.

 

I'm just intrigued at what it would take for a material to do that passively.

Edited February 6, 2014 by Legion-Shields

[Mr.Bright]

I haven't been exposed to this much physics in years. Now if we could be just a little less anti-social about it...

[Alaizia]

Smelting this thing and using in crafting  must be a technological nightmare without some hardcore magnetic tools.

 

And since we now have "thing" can float on its own in the atmosphere - can we now have reduculusly huge airships as enemies in open tiles? 

its a game...

[Mr.Bright]

its a game...

 

And Moff's Law strikes again! Seriously though: loving the physics debate here. Don't make them stop.

[Cwierz]

shhhh.

Newtonian liquids.

[KuroNekoXlll]

solidified helium maybe? idk