(PSN)DesecratedFlame Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 you don't have to be in melee range all the time. Then you are getting the damage boost, and Rhino ends up being better anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Then you are getting the damage boost, and Rhino ends up being better anyway. Rhino's damage boost isn't as strong as Excalibur's, and Rhino's CC isn't as effective. As far as CC goes Excalibur is top 3 easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)DesecratedFlame Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Rhino's damage boost isn't as strong as Excalibur's, and Rhino's CC isn't as effective. As far as CC goes Excalibur is top 3 easily. read the post I just quoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) read the post I just quoted. Uhh...what about it? Everything he said is correct too. If you're talking about how you get a gun damage boost with Rhino, an Excalibur player can just run rifle amp for the same thing. It doesn't really matter though, because any competent Excalibur player with a RB build can shut down a whole room and then some for more than long enough to make up for that. As was mentioned in that post you quoted, you don't seem to be able to back up your assertions he's bad. Edited August 22, 2014 by vaugahn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yazeth Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I would choose Excal over Rhino in terms of CC. Just saying. Doing fine w/ my YOLO Loki Prime build though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Rhino's damage boost isn't as strong as Excalibur's, and Rhino's CC isn't as effective. As far as CC goes Excalibur is top 3 easily. At least suspending enemies in the air due to making time slow down is rather entertaining to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboDoge Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 At least suspending enemies in the air due to making time slow down is rather entertaining to watch. Annoying to Desecrate, but decent cc. It is waste that 90 % of Rhinos want to leave game when Stomp stops killing mobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)DesecratedFlame Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Uhh...what about it? Everything he said is correct too. If you're talking about how you get a gun damage boost with Rhino, an Excalibur player can just run rifle amp for the same thing. It doesn't really matter though, because any competent Excalibur player with a RB build can shut down a whole room and then some for more than long enough to make up for that. As was mentioned in that post you quoted, you don't seem to be able to back up your assertions he's bad. Pot, Kettle, black, etc. Also nice circular logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Pot, Kettle, black, etc. Also nice circular logic. Aaaaaand nothing. Figured as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)DesecratedFlame Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Aaaaaand nothing. Figured as much. There is no reason to give a reasoned response in return to a logic fallacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 There is no reason to give a reasoned response in return to a logic fallacy. Well I mean if you really want to do this... https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboDoge Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Well I mean if you really want to do this... https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy 2deep4me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinDevil Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Remember when people used to just argue, instead of googling what fallacy the other guy used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Annoying to Desecrate, but decent cc. It is waste that 90 % of Rhinos want to leave game when Stomp stops killing mobs. I feel like being a bit of a badass when I slide into a group of enemies, then cast Rhino Stomp, then casually jog away as the enemies are suspended in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)DesecratedFlame Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Well I mean if you really want to do this... https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy That's not the way that works. If you use a logical fallacy then I have no need to reply to it logically. A fallacy-fallacy would be if I said you were wrong because you used a fallacy. Example: "You claim 2+2=4 because only dumb-dumbs think other wise." That is a logical fallacy defending "2+2=4", and the argument is invalid, even though the claim is correct. The fallacy-fallacy would be if I claimed that 2+2=4 is NOT 4 BECAUSE you defended it with a logical fallacy. /lesson You're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboDoge Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I feel like being a bit of a badass when I slide into a group of enemies, then cast Rhino Stomp, then casually jog away as the enemies are suspended in the air. When i see suspended enemies i go "MELEE TIME!!!". Fun overload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Example: "You claim 2+2=4 because only dumb-dumbs think other wise." That is a logical fallacy defending "2+2=4", and the argument is invalid, even though the claim is correct. The fallacy-fallacy would be if I claimed that 2+2=4 is NOT 4 BECAUSE you defended it with a logical fallacy. Off-topic, I think I can prove that 2+2 = 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboDoge Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Off-topic, I think I can prove that 2+2 = 4. Any math student can prove that 1+1=0. Abandon logic when dealing with mathematics ( i would know as i studied that evil science for a year ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Any math student can prove that 1+1=0. Abandon logic when dealing with mathematics ( i would know as i studied that evil science for a year ). That needs a fallacy with mathematical operations, so I would not call that a valid proof. What I am saying is using surreal numbers to prove that 2+2 = 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 That's not the way that works. If you use a logical fallacy then I have no need to reply to it logically. Argument from fallacy most definitely does apply here, since you tried to invalidate my argument because I didn't argue it correctly. Beyond that, someone using a fallacy in their argument is no excuse for bad manners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)DesecratedFlame Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Off-topic, I think I can prove that 2+2 = 4. That's the point. A fallacious defense of a claim does not make the claim itself false; it only renders that specific argument invalid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 That's the point. A fallacious defense of a claim does not make the claim itself false; it only renders that specific argument invalid. I just do that to satisfy my personal mathematical quota (and it has been done, actually), because math is: Mental Ascension To Humans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)DesecratedFlame Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Argument from fallacy most definitely does apply here, since you tried to invalidate my argument because I didn't argue it correctly. Beyond that, someone using a fallacy in their argument is no excuse for bad manners. It doesn't apply. I said I have no requirement to reply to a your argument that was a fallacy. That is true. I didn't say your base claim was wrong because you used a fallacy. There is a huge difference between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yazeth Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Why are you guys talking about math? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 It doesn't apply. I said I have no requirement to reply to a your argument that was a fallacy. That is true. I didn't say your base claim was wrong because you used a fallacy. There is a huge difference between the two. Okay, let's try this all again then. Back-and-forth about fallacies, while informative, is beside the point. Excalibur is good because he has extremely powerful CC that scales well into high-level content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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