Azawarau Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Ive finally come to a decision on this power Its absolutely worthless QT tanking is much more energy efficient and scales Iron skin doesnt last more than a few seconds Its literally nothing but an easy mode tool for new users ._. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherIcarus Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 This has been the case for a very long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angius Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Yeah, in harder missions IS is pretty worthless, even with maxed Blind Rage. But well, single grenade in T4 can wipe out your whole team, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 Anyone up for an iron skin rework? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakshal Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Anyone up for an iron skin rework? I have one writing up right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDragon000 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 (edited) How about lowering the base amount of temp hp but making it scale with shield/power and giving damage resist that lasts for a duration regardless of whether or not iron skin has been destroyed that scales with armor. Edited August 31, 2014 by ShadowDragon000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Legolegend144 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Iron skin is still more effective than many other warframe abilities out there, so just because it doesn't hold up against level 40+ doesn't mean that it deserves a buff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 Iron skin is still more effective than many other warframe abilities out there, so just because it doesn't hold up against level 40+ doesn't mean that it deserves a buff. Depends on your definition of effective Regardless of other skills theres no doubt iron skin needs work BTW Rework =/= buff Adding more HP wont solve a thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDragon000 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 So no one else wants to discuss solutions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 It was taken over by the other rhino thread Alot of people seriously believe that 1200-2700 HP can beat 20-50% DR Someone used the DR being lower than the DR trinity has as a reason as if its not ages lower right now I cant even I literally cannot even anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurnuttaja Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Iron skin sucks because a bugged mod is better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 Iron skin sucks because a bugged mod is better? No Iron skin sucks because its a flat number and DR makes other things better Frosts armor boost is more helpful than IS Valkyrs armor is better Trinity link and blessing Dr are better QT with many frames is simply better than iron skin 1200 unarmored HP is near worthless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archistopheles Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Let's just ignore the fact that it makes you immune to pulls and knockdowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 Let's just ignore the fact that it makes you immune to pulls and knockdowns. Youre right For the .5-3 seconds that it stays up while youre casting it does ignore knockdowns and pulls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bl4ckhunter Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Youre right For the .5-3 seconds that it stays up while youre casting it does ignore knockdowns and pulls you can dodge like all other frames do, i do use rhino and i have no problem with iron skin, besides there are things called blind rage and intensify, a 2400 hp shield last you long enough if you equip rush and sprint boost (and arcane vanguard if you have it), sure you can't go ham against lvl 50+ infested with melee weapons but i don't see why you should be able to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasmir Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Iron skin sucks because a bugged mod is better? QT was nerfed so many time the only way to make it viable again is using somethin can give you energy sustain AKA Rage+Heal and that will still fail becouse now everything can leech you energy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiceDead Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Give it the same mechanics as the current NYX absorb, minus the blast upon destruction or deactivation. This works because Rhino would be able to take a couple of shots at high levels, but his energy would be toast eventually. My problem with this is that it must not make levels 40-45 easy-mode(In terms of damage, they still are and forever will be until some interesting mechanics are put in place). Endless gamemode balancing is not something DE does, as they have stated in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtFlex Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 (edited) Do we have any abilities that work properly at high levels except crowd control abilites?... Edited August 31, 2014 by SgtFlex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakshal Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 (edited) Do we have any abilities that work properly at high levels except crowd control abilites?... Turbulence. Now that I think about it, it is a better version of Iron Skin basically. XD Edited August 31, 2014 by Rakshal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiceDead Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Do we have any abilities that work properly at high levels except crowd control abilites?... Hmmm... Super Jump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtFlex Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Turbulence. Now that I think about it, it is a better version of Iron Skin basically. XD Ah, yes I forgot about that. I use it to tank as zephyr all the time in T4S's, pretty reliable actually... Hmmm... Super Jump? I think DE really needs to consider scaling things, which I don't recall them doing with anything ever. It makes every non-CC ability useless at high levels, but that should be a topic on it's own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 you can dodge like all other frames do, i do use rhino and i have no problem with iron skin, besides there are things called blind rage and intensify, a 2400 hp shield last you long enough if you equip rush and sprint boost (and arcane vanguard if you have it), sure you can't go ham against lvl 50+ infested with melee weapons but i don't see why you should be able to Itll be shot down before the animation ends the only time you can use it is when your hiding And when youre out on the field rhinos slow walking speed makes it much easier for him to be hit by enemies At the same time with DR hell have a much higher effective HP, allowing himt o tank harder even under pressure and adding onto QTs layer of defense QT was nerfed so many time the only way to make it viable again is using somethin can give you energy sustain AKA Rage+Heal and that will still fail becouse now everything can leech you energy.... Idk about you but any frame that plans to take it to 60 min + should have QT on or expect to be downed often unless youre camping hard or have a really good frost protecting the objective Anything set at the games target lvl you dont really need QT for and likely wont be stagger locked if you do use it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archistopheles Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Youre right For the .5-3 seconds that it stays up while youre casting it does ignore knockdowns and pulls If you'd like to have a constructive discussion, I would advise against hyperbole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 If you'd like to have a constructive discussion, I would advise against hyperbole. You know its true Unless youre hiding that iron skin will go alone with some of your shields/hp before you even finish the animation It uses more energy than just sticking to QT and staying mobile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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