Vaykor Marelok: Viable For Crits?

[Yazeth]

Basedon the wiki, it has a 20% crit chance and a 1.5 crit dmg multiplier. It seems decent for a crit build. What do you guys think?

[Octoknightx]

GO FOR IT M8! :D

[immolator1001]

Ya that thing is a monster I'd say go for it.

[Paul_Pianoff]

It's silly to go for a crit build on a secondary IMO. Besides, 1.5 crit mult ain't enough to justify such a build.

Edited November 28, 2014 by PhantomRUS9

[ZeGreymane]

The regular Marlock already have a pretty decent crit chance but with such a massive base damage a double elemental combo is better (imho).

[xyLoneZ]

Lex prime crit build is higher than its top end damage build, despite the bad numbers on secondary crit mods and it having a 20% crit chance only. With that being said, lex p has 2x crit dmg mult while vaykor marelok only has 1.5x.

[(PSN)IkariWarrior83]

Building crit for a secondary SMG is a good idea, especially if your primary is a bow or sniper.

[RedVoidDragon]

Any gun with a 1.5 crit damage multiplier is worthless for a crit build

[DeViLiZzHeRe]

it will be totally waste is u make it a critical weapon as their is very less chance to crit as the number of pellets is too less and fire rate is not much better to make it as damage built

[Valafor]

To be honest, after you put in your core mods (hornet strike, barrel diffusion, and lethal torrent) and then 3 dual stat elementals to bring status up to 100%, there isn't much else to put into those last two slots, so might as well.

[xyLoneZ]

To be honest, after you put in your core mods (hornet strike, barrel diffusion, and lethal torrent) and then 3 dual stat elementals to bring status up to 100%, there isn't much else to put into those last two slots, so might as well.

Put 2x90% elemental mods. or 1x90% elemental mod and a bane.

 

I thought crit would be viable, considering lex p, which has the same crit chance, is crit viable. After getting my hand on it though (as well as tinkering with it on WFBuilder), its 1.5x multiplier didn't bring it far enough compared to the 2.0x multiplier on lex prime.

Edited December 2, 2014 by xyLoneZ

[SpongyPenguin]

The answer (based on comparing using 2x90% elementals vs the 2 crit mods) is no, it's lower damage than running more elementals.

[Cynick]

Lower damage on paper but if you're lucky and you aim for headshots the critical headshot multiplier will give you more damage, no?

[Magnar21]

I threw them in Warframe-builder.com a day or two ago. End conclusion is that the DPS is slightly significantly in favor of pure elementals (with enough status to get close to 100% of course) over a crit build, but it's only about 200dps burst. That just isn't worth worrying about. So, my opinion? Run full elemental for average missions just for reliability. If you favor headshots (and this means going midrange, as Vaykor doesn't have perfect accuracy), then the crit build easily wins due to the critical headshot multiplier. Keep in mind that Moas don't have headshot points, and it only has ~40% crit without resorting to the -Fire rate mod, which is punishing unless you like a pocket sniper. But then, you'd probably be best off with the Lex prime,  which has better accuracy anyway.

 

EDIT: quote me or pm if you want a full build. In the meantime, I'm going back to homework.

 

Another EDIT: the above is for builds that assume you are running Seeker and going status. If you don't use Seeker (which you wouldn't for headshotting), but go for damage, you get

2.4x|44.0% critical / bullet 69.58% status probability 7413.44 total damage 23723.01 burst dps 17084.47 sustained dps

 

If you go full crit, but status rather than raw damage:

2.4x|44.0% critical / bullet 97.97% status probability 6023.42 total damage 19274.94 burst dps 13881.13 sustained dps

 

Both builds are viable. Your shots will deal quite a bit more damage for headshots, but my mind is too tired to calculate what you would get with those, and I'm not familiar with the math. Just using Warframe-Builder as a template.

Edited December 2, 2014 by Magnar21

[xyLoneZ]

^ I don't know what build you're using, but I'm looking on a 2.5k burst dps loss on average by building crit.

 

If you constantly hitting headshots, then yeah, your Marelok would do more dps by building crit. If not though, you will be losing out on the dps side. That's pretty much the biggest difference with lex prime. Lex prime crit build will give you more DPS whether you're hitting headshot or not. On marelok, crit build is only viable if you're aiming purely for headshots. It might work on specific build (nova slow m prime), but otherwise, I wouldn't even bother using it.

[Magnar21]

^ I don't know what build you're using, but I'm looking on a 2.5k burst dps loss on average by building crit.

 

If you constantly hitting headshots, then yeah, your Marelok would do more dps by building crit. If not though, you will be losing out on the dps side. That's pretty much the biggest difference with lex prime. Lex prime crit build will give you more DPS whether you're hitting headshot or not. On marelok, crit build is only viable if you're aiming purely for headshots. It might work on specific build (nova slow m prime), but otherwise, I wouldn't even bother using it.

I was half asleep, and I'm not sure where I got those numbers. I linked them on Steam to someone, but I closed the Chat since then.

 After more tweaking (and not relying on  several-day-old memory), I agree: building for crit is a major DPS loss, unless you are getting headshots, where it becomes a nice DPS gain. The exact numbers would have to be calculated by someone with a far better knowledge of Statistics and/or Warframe theorycrafting than I. I just like using the pretty editor.

[Cynick]

^ I don't know what build you're using, but I'm looking on a 2.5k burst dps loss on average by building crit.

 

If you constantly hitting headshots, then yeah, your Marelok would do more dps by building crit. If not though, you will be losing out on the dps side. That's pretty much the biggest difference with lex prime. Lex prime crit build will give you more DPS whether you're hitting headshot or not. On marelok, crit build is only viable if you're aiming purely for headshots. It might work on specific build (nova slow m prime), but otherwise, I wouldn't even bother using it.

Good summary.