Why Is Platinum So Affordable?

[Argoms]

I haven't bought plat out of principal, not because I don't have the money, in case anyone's wondering. 

I sense strong elements of sarcasm. Then again you're Grand Master, which includes 5665 platinum. Happy spending.

He's kept character so long it's possible that he's convinced himself that the sarcasm is true.

 

No, it's not, but they don't all produce size 12 shoes and they don't last very long either, hence the shoes I buy cost £60 and last me about 4-5 years.

Eh, £15 a year on shoes isn't that bad. Definitely not on the level of £300 per year (£50 for 2 months).

Edited May 22, 2013 by Argoms

[MrGrae]

 

Eh, £15 a year on shoes isn't that bad. Definitely not on the level of £300 per year (£50 for 2 months).

Agreed, still, it annoys me to fork out £60 in one lump sum but that's because I'm stingy.

 

As for not buying plat, fine, you don't have to, no one is making you, but it's the people who DO buy plat that keep these kinds of free to play games running.

Edited May 22, 2013 by MrGrae

[Emotitron]

It is such a simple equation. We pay for things we think are worth it. We don't pay for things we don't think are worth it. Raging on forums about prices just makes people sound like whiney children. If is not the place of buyers to 'demand' prices be set a certain way anywhere in life.

 

This isn't a trinket market in Tibet - we don't get to haggle on price.  If you can't afford something... just like in real-life, all you need do is wait for a sale or for the price to fall. If you want to be on the bleeding edge expect to either work for it or pay for it.

 

What you can do is say "I would buy that at XXX price" and then see what the seller says. Yelling at them that the price is outrageous isn't generally considered a great negotiating tactic.

[Toddwjp]

i usually buy shoes at around £80 and they last a year of constant use and then ill get a new pair just because there getting tired not because there unwearable, so i see war frame plat as good value

[KvotheTheArcane1]

It is such a simple equation. We pay for things we think are worth it. We don't pay for things we don't think are worth it. Raging on forums about prices just makes people sound like whiney children. If is not the place of buyers to 'demand' prices be set a certain way anywhere in life.

true, but they can say "I don't think it's worth my money" and let the seller know (aka voting with your wallet)

 

This isn't a trinket market in Tibet - we don't get to haggle on price.  If you can't afford something... just like in real-life, all you need do is wait for a sale or for the price to fall. If you want to be on the bleeding edge expect to either work for it or pay for it.

But it helps them to know that people in the community think the value isn't high enough (after all, it's not like they can run out of platinum)

 

What you can do is say "I would buy that at XXX price" and then see what the seller says. Yelling at them that the price is outrageous isn't generally considered a great negotiating tactic.

 

Agreed

[Delpziee]

My adidas cost me £65

[Argoms]

i usually buy shoes at around £80 and they last a year of constant use and then ill get a new pair just because there getting tired not because there unwearable, so i see war frame plat as good value

How does spending £80 a year on shoes equate to platinum being good value? I seriously don't see the logic in that.

[KvotheTheArcane1]

How does spending £80 a year on shoes equate to platinum being good value? I seriously don't see the logic in that.

That's a good point... Shoes are something you need (to function effectively atleast, true you can live without shoes, but it'd be much worse overall than if you had shoes) while platinum isn't

[Vabla]

Ever tried parkour? sometimes there lucky to last 1 month lol :P

Very little. But you don't buy shoes like that if you're going to parkour :P

[stacey69]

Compare this http://www.ragnboots.co.uk/page_2458737.html

 

And this https://warframe.com/buyplatinum

 

I know which one i would choose. 

[KvotheTheArcane1]

Compare this http://www.ragnboots.co.uk/page_2458737.html

 

And this https://warframe.com/buyplatinum

 

I know which one i would choose. 

What's the point in comparing these now? Both are priced poorly imo, but yes, I'd pick warframe too, unless I REALLY liked kittens more than videos (or had a ton of money.)

[ra9una]

You spent $50 for a pair of shoes that lasted only 2 months? Man, you got ripped off. Like, really ripped off.

Hek (see that?) I can't believe people pay 50 pounds for shoes, pay 5 $ and they last me 3 years(real over hestimation, more like 1-1.5).....go goop and duck tap.

[Argoms]

Hek (see that?) I can't believe people pay 50 pounds for shoes, pay 5 $ and they last me 3 years(real over hestimation, more like 1-1.5).....go goop and duck tap.

It's one thing when people spend £50 on shoes. It's another when people expect everyone else to also pay £50 for shoes, which is what's happening here.

[Kiteless]

I can spend $20 on the platinum for a single warframe.

 

Or I can spend less than $15 on Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion on Steam.

[DAWGUNITALPHA]

I can spend $20 on the platinum for a single warframe.

 

Or I can spend less than $15 on Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion on Steam.

yesterday you could have gotten both deadspace and deadspace 2 for ten bucks.

DE needs to look at steam. Look at their own market. Then cut them prices down like a swarm of infected.

[MJ12]

It is such a simple equation. We pay for things we think are worth it. We don't pay for things we don't think are worth it. Raging on forums about prices just makes people sound like whiney children. If is not the place of buyers to 'demand' prices be set a certain way anywhere in life.

 

This isn't a trinket market in Tibet - we don't get to haggle on price.  If you can't afford something... just like in real-life, all you need do is wait for a sale or for the price to fall. If you want to be on the bleeding edge expect to either work for it or pay for it.

 

What you can do is say "I would buy that at XXX price" and then see what the seller says. Yelling at them that the price is outrageous isn't generally considered a great negotiating tactic.

 

Or we can tell them that they're massively overvaluing the amount of money the majority of people are going to spend, and the business model is being held together by grandmasters and people who are extremely invested and extremely devoted to keeping this game alive, biasing their numbers way the hell upwards compared to the conversion rate they'd get during release?

 

If you can sell something worth $25 to 1 person but something worth $10 to 3 people and that thing is free to produce, you make way more money in the latter case. There is a pretty significant reason that outside of Monoclegate nobody has tried pricing "microtransactions" along the CCP model. Sure, they might nickle and dime you to death in 'pay2win' games, but the transactions themselves are still micro.

[ScorpDK]

I'm more than okay with the pricing. DE isn't going the utterly relentless path of greed as other companies I've seen *looks over shoulder*

 

In the end, you sell more by selling to many at cheaper prices, than expensive stuff that almost nobody can afford.

So this is OK. :)

Edited May 23, 2013 by ScorpDK

[Argoms]

I'm more than okay with the pricing. DE isn't going the utterly relentless path of greed as other companies I've seen *looks over shoulder*

So this is OK. :)

How is the pricing ok? The first thing everyone tells new players is to never buy weapons with plat.

[MJ12]

How is the pricing ok? The first thing everyone tells new players is to never buy weapons with plat.

 

This.

 

This this this this this.

 

Assume weapons were discounted so buying them with plat would be worthwhile. With more things worth buying with plat, would it not follow that people might buy more things with plat and thus put in more plat, making DE way more money?

[Kiteless]

I've said it many times before, I have plenty of money that I'd be willing to spend on this game, but at the current prices, I do not feel that I'm getting value for my money, and thus have no impetus to actually spend it.

 

At a lower price point, I'd feel much more inclined to spend money on the game, and much more inclined to do so on impulse. I'm sure that this would hold true for most players.

I've spent an embarrassingly large amount of money on League of Legends just because its lower prices encouraged impulsive purchases. A champion for $5 or less is a very easy thing to purchase and not worry about. And it adds up.

[KvotheTheArcane1]

In addition to my other stuff, you can't compare shoes to warframe, or warframe to cat pictures, they're too dissimilar, it's like comparing a couch to an alligator, how do you MEANINGFULLY compare them? They serve to different purposes, (you can sit on couch, and good luck not getting eaten if you sit on a gator).

 

You can compare them in general (I.e. the couch doesn't try to eat me when I sit on it, unlike the alligator) but it serves no purpose. A more reasonable comparison is between two free to play games, or two shoe types (i.e. nike and sketchers I guess, or warframe and LoL) because those are similar enough to be MEANINGFULLY compared.

 

The only time you can really compare dissimilar objects is when you're making a metaphor (i.e. something like, the couch is as soft as the alligator is hungry, very!) But you can't just compare 2 random objects and go "look! this is better than that!" Or you could almost always win by going, "Well, this item costs X, but air is free! why should I ever buy X?!?!?)

[ra9una]

How does spending £80 a year on shoes equate to platinum being good value? I seriously don't see the logic in that.

 

Similar logic: Witchs burn, wood burns, wood floats, ducks float, thus, is you weight the same as a duck...you're a witch (holy grail)

[stacey69]

It is such a simple equation. We pay for things we think are worth it. We don't pay for things we don't think are worth it. Raging on forums about prices just makes people sound like whiney children. If is not the place of buyers to 'demand' prices be set a certain way anywhere in life.

 

This isn't a trinket market in Tibet - we don't get to haggle on price.  If you can't afford something... just like in real-life, all you need do is wait for a sale or for the price to fall. If you want to be on the bleeding edge expect to either work for it or pay for it.

 

What you can do is say "I would buy that at XXX price" and then see what the seller says. Yelling at them that the price is outrageous isn't generally considered a great negotiating tactic.

^^ /nod

 

That's a good point... Shoes are something you need (to function effectively atleast, true you can live without shoes, but it'd be much worse overall than if you had shoes) while platinum isn't

You can live without shoes and Platinum. This is true. With shoes you can look cool and saves sores. With platinum you can have lots of fun trying new weapons and Warframes before people who are free to play. Neither are essential. Both are good and worth the money.

 

yesterday you could have gotten both deadspace and deadspace 2 for ten bucks.

DE needs to look at steam. Look at their own market. Then cut them prices down like a swarm of infected.

I bought Portal 2 for £3. So De should sell everything for less than £3. No wait... What has that got to do with the price of bacon?

 

I've said it many times before, I have plenty of money that I'd be willing to spend on this game, but at the current prices, I do not feel that I'm getting value for my money, and thus have no impetus to actually spend it.

 

At a lower price point, I'd feel much more inclined to spend money on the game, and much more inclined to do so on impulse. I'm sure that this would hold true for most players.

I've spent an embarrassingly large amount of money on League of Legends just because its lower prices encouraged impulsive purchases. A champion for $5 or less is a very easy thing to purchase and not worry about. And it adds up.

So if you spent the same amount on Warframe as you do ^^ games mentioned. This would be the same. Instead of getting 50 items for xxx amount you would get 5 items for xxx amount. 5 items in Warframe can give 1 months gameplay (imo). How much gameplay did the 50 items get you? 1 month? Seems to me you are looking at this all wrong. Its the same thing. Just a different game currency giving different kinds of items. 

 

You are not a problem unless you complain about the price of things in Warframe.

 

In addition to my other stuff, you can't compare shoes to warframe, or warframe to cat pictures, they're too dissimilar, it's like comparing a couch to an alligator, how do you MEANINGFULLY compare them? They serve to different purposes, (you can sit on couch, and good luck not getting eaten if you sit on a gator).

 

You can compare them in general (I.e. the couch doesn't try to eat me when I sit on it, unlike the alligator) but it serves no purpose. A more reasonable comparison is between two free to play games, or two shoe types (i.e. nike and sketchers I guess, or warframe and LoL) because those are similar enough to be MEANINGFULLY compared.

 

The only time you can really compare dissimilar objects is when you're making a metaphor (i.e. something like, the couch is as soft as the alligator is hungry, very!) But you can't just compare 2 random objects and go "look! this is better than that!" Or you could almost always win by going, "Well, this item costs X, but air is free! why should I ever buy X?!?!?)

A lot of people sit on their chair for 18 hours a day playing games. Then off to bed. Thus making a sofa a bad investment over Platinum or new chair. Also it is illegal to sell crocodiles so we cant compare those. Food, shoes and sofas can be compared to Platinum because they all have the same thing associated to them. They make you feel good, look good etc.

 

Buying Platinum saves money on items like tissues needed to wipe your eyes of all those tears. Lengthens life expectancy due to less stress on the heart worrying about what everyone else has. You spend less on headache tablets from all the pain you create yourself coming to the forums and complaining. 

 

Platinum in my opinion is one of the best things you can buy with your hard earned money. Warframe becomes so much better when i buy Platinum. I can still farm materials and use the foundry. I just don't like to wait for something as good as Vauban. I would rather pay for that frame and use it straight away. This does not give anyone else the right to call me Pay to play or arrogant. Supporting a new game is a good thing i believe. 

[KvotheTheArcane1]

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A lot of people sit on their chair for 18 hours a day playing games. Then off to bed. Thus making a sofa a bad investment over Platinum or new chair. beside the point...

 

Also it is illegal to sell crocodiles so we cant compare those. beside the point... The point was comparing two dissimilar things

 

Food, shoes and sofas can be compared to Platinum because they all have the same thing associated to them. They make you feel good, look good etc.

No, you compare similar things, food, and shoes are things you do need (try living without shoes, it can be done, but most people would say "no, I need shoes")

 

Buying Platinum saves money on items like tissues needed to wipe your eyes of all those tears. Lengthens life expectancy due to less stress on the heart worrying about what everyone else has. You spend less on headache tablets from all the pain you create yourself coming to the forums and complaining. Ahhh insults, how big you of.

 

Platinum in my opinion is one of the best things you can buy with your hard earned money.

doesn't matter my point is that I'm saying you're comparing 2 dissimilar items, that have no relation (shoes and "fake" money in a game)

 

Warframe becomes so much better when i buy Platinum. I can still farm materials and use the foundry. I just don't like to wait for something as good as Vauban.I would rather pay for that frame and use it straight away. This does not give anyone else the right to call me Pay to play or arrogant. Supporting a new game is a good thing i believe.

I agree 100% supporting a game is good, not having to wait is good, Warframe IS better once you get platinum, because it speeds everything up, no arguments there, but the problem is the price of it.

Don't avoid my point, you can't compare 2 dissimilar objects and claim that therefore one is a better value than the other otherwise these are all valid:

"Air is free, platinum isn't, therefore air is always better period."

"Food is required for life, and platinum isn't! So why would I ever buy platinum?"

"Clothes/shoes allow me to function in the world, so why would I ever need platinum?"

 

You compare SIMILAR items, I.e. riot points from LoL and platinum from WF. A decent comparison would be platinum and luxury items like toys, DLC, in game secondary currency (I.E. RP/plat) NOT shoes to platinum, or sofas to alligators.

 

edit: Just because something "makes you feel good" doesn't mean you can compare it to other things that "make you feel good", or you could compare almost everything together, even it it makes no sense.

 

(I.e. "Sleeping on a nice bed makes me feel good, and having awesome stuff in a video makes me feel good, but I ran out of secondary currency in a game, and my bed was stolen, which one should I get? They both make me feel good, and I could get A LOT of cool stuff in games for the price of a bed!)

Edited May 23, 2013 by KvotheTheArcane1

[stacey69]

Don't avoid my point, you can't compare 2 dissimilar objects and claim that therefore one is a better value than the other otherwise these are all valid:

"Air is free, platinum isn't, therefore air is always better period."

"Food is required for life, and platinum isn't! So why would I ever buy platinum?"

"Clothes/shoes allow me to function in the world, so why would I ever need platinum?"

 

You compare SIMILAR items, I.e. riot points from LoL and platinum from WF. A decent comparison would be platinum and luxury items like toys, DLC, in game secondary currency (I.E. RP/plat) NOT shoes to platinum, or sofas to alligators.

 

edit: Just because something "makes you feel good" doesn't mean you can compare it to other things that "make you feel good", or you could compare almost everything together, even it it makes no sense.

 

(I.e. "Sleeping on a nice bed makes me feel good, and having awesome stuff in a video makes me feel good, but I ran out of secondary currency in a game, and my bed was stolen, which one should I get? They both make me feel good, and I could get A LOT of cool stuff in games for the price of a bed!)

 

I agree air is better than Platinum. This is always a given.

Take aways are not a requirement of life. If you cook instead you can save money and use that saving somewhere else. I chose Platinum.

Clothes and shoes are only needed in the civilized world due to legal reasons. I would go naked if i could and buy more Platinum. 

You would only need Platinum for sentinel skins and avatars. You can play the game and receive everything else for free.

 

As for things that make you feel good. You can compare these things, always. Ie: i was going to get an escort around this weekend. £130 for an hour. I saved the money instead and bought £130 of Platinum. I bought loads of Warframes and weapons and some sentinel skins. I'm still using these bought items 5 days later. I was glad i made this decision. I really enjoy Warframe and would like to maximize my enjoyment of the game.

 

I spend 12 hours a day gaming. 6 hours on my sofa watching TV and 6 hours sleeping in bed. I would buy a cheap bed and buy Platinum with the saving as this would make more sense per hour of the day i would benefit from it. I also have a huge surround sofa. I would sleep on this for a month and buy more games or in game cool stuff. Your bed argument is flawed in regards to me.

 

I hope this answers all of your points KvotheTheArcane1. Feel free to pm me instead of dragging this thread on. I'm sure the moderators are sick of having to come here and see my drivvle everytime someone posts 0_o