Ash Ideas For Changes.

[RazrOutlaw]

True!

This why i run 2 maxed Trickerys and My Huras.

 

Off topic, I got Visited by Stalker last night and he kept Teleporting Me, I would run and bullet jump like a Mexican jumping bean all over the place and he would randomly and consistantly Teleport Me all over the place like WTF?!

 

Seriously was he buffed and is this suppose to happen?

 

Never seen Stalker do this....

I really don't know, there was one time where he spawned in another room,when he arrived to where I was, he teleported and use a "finisher" (or some kind of weird animation with his hate, tha knocked me down) on me, seems like sometimes he likes to give us somewhat of a challenge.

Also, thank god for trini's bless 99% damage reduction or he would've owned my @ss in 1 sec.

[crackbeard]

You guys are missing the point lol. The problem with regular shades stealth is that it is removed when youre not near enemies and you have no control over when it happens. Being able to activate a stealth on your own with no duration would have its own benefits, making it easy to revive allies and escape bad situations. Now obviously it wouldnt be as good as lokis stealth for some situations but his stealth is ALREADY worse than lokis and i feel its supposed to be that way. And with the increasing damage for time spent invisible and an aoe stun on the attack he would be just as useful in a different way.

 

And i mean come on its basically like he doesnt have stealth already seeing as if you build for any of your other abilities to get them at their max potential your stealth is worthless. Regardless of if you like to build ash for duration it's pointless to do so because you might as well be using loki who has way more benefits from duration not to mention the fact that the only ability ash has that uses duration is basically a worse version of one of lokis abilities. I believe the best direction for ash to go in is to just remove any reason to build duration by making some change to his invisibility that keeps loki as the primary stealth frame but adds a more unique and offensive ability to ash. This would also keep his synergy with trickery and probably even strengthen it, I mean why in the hell would you build any kind of duration when you can wear 2 maxed trickerys and have a longer stealth pretty much every time you bladestorm with max efficiency and power damage. Trickery becomes a better version of your stealth ability and with the change i suggest there would be uses for both.

Edited September 12, 2015 by crackbeard

[Tenedranox]

Well now i heard it enough: "arcane trickery" blablabla, kinda sucks that a frame needs 10 to 20 arcanes to be a viable teamplayer! Do u really think everyone has them? Ash should be a viable choice for everyone. Its kinda like:

MR6: "recently got my boltor prime, but i have some issues in high level..."

MR20: "put 5 forma in it an max all mods, that should be fine"

MR6: "but, but...i dont even have 5 forma......"

 

I mean srly, DE should better remove arcane trickery so people can se whats the problem!

Yeah i know arcane trickery was specially designed for ash, but it should be a addition not a requirement...

[crackbeard]

And with the changes i propose he wouldnt need it anymore and would still have good synergy with it...

[xLordKogax]

You guys are missing the point lol. The problem with regular shades stealth is that it is removed when youre not near enemies and you have no control over when it happens. Being able to activate a stealth on your own with no duration would have its own benefits, making it easy to revive allies and escape bad situations. Now obviously it wouldnt be as good as lokis stealth for some situations but his stealth is ALREADY worse than lokis and i feel its supposed to be that way. And with the increasing damage for time spent invisible and an aoe stun on the attack he would be just as useful in a different way.

 

And i mean come on its basically like he doesnt have stealth already seeing as if you build for any of your other abilities to get them at their max potential your stealth is worthless. Regardless of if you like to build ash for duration it's pointless to do so because you might as well be using loki who has way more benefits from duration not to mention the fact that the only ability ash has that uses duration is basically a worse version of one of lokis abilities. I believe the best direction for ash to go in is to just remove any reason to build duration by making some change to his invisibility that keeps loki as the primary stealth frame but adds a more unique and offensive ability to ash. This would also keep his synergy with trickery and probably even strengthen it, I mean why in the hell would you build any kind of duration when you can wear 2 maxed trickerys and have a longer stealth pretty much every time you bladestorm with max efficiency and power damage. Trickery becomes a better version of your stealth ability and with the change i suggest there would be uses for both.

 

I completely disagree with Your beliefs in Stealth

 

Banshee is a Stealth frame and she doesnt go Invisible.

 

That doesnt mean Nerf Smoke Screen even Harder cuz Loki is suppose to be the GOD of invisibility.

Why not just Trash Ash Period since Loki is More Relevant?

 

Wrong! I didnt download Warframe for Loki, I saw the video of Ash and I wanted to Make him first quarter.

Once i became oriented with Warframe I then realized a world of Hatred against the reason I came to this game.

 

Ash, and I am sure He was given stealth in the first place.

Im fine with Ashs stealth being abit shorter then Lokis but Not Completely Nerfed next to Loki.

That defeats the purpose and gives Loki fans a reason to Yell Victory.

 

Huras is waaaaaay better then Shade soo why not trash it?

Shade sucks next to Huras, it dies every mission and is point less when Huras is more effective and kills better and ignores Stalkers dispel soo whats your reason for comparison? 

 

Loki maxed duration is 33 secs and Ash 22 secs, thats an 11 second difference. Why make it worse?

Instead why not Nerf Lokis stealth? (Im not suggestion it)

I would rather give Ash 5 secs less from Loki and working together with him instead of these pathetic childish rants of  "But Lokis Better"

 

Thats just straight Narrow Minded of you.

 

I been running 2 maxed Trickerys since Raids started but Ash shouldnt be considered Playable just for Arcane Trickery.

You know how difficult it is to attain 10-20 of those?

Yeah I admit I payed for Mines and it was well worth it, I will do anything to make my favorite Frame better and if he is destroyed in this form then noone will consider him a Frame of choice.

 

A solo frame? This aint a solo game and that Title is Pathetic, DE might aswell make Ash its own Solo AAA game then soo we dont have to play in squads whats the point of a solo frame in a Online Multiplayer game?

[crackbeard]

I dont know what youre talking about, my suggestion makes his stealth better not worse and non reliant on duration mods which you already shouldnt be building on ash. He doesnt have to have the exact same stealth as loki, his should be different, not better not worse. Actually pay attention to what im saying instead of smashing your ideas into peoples head.

[xLordKogax]

I dont know what youre talking about, my suggestion makes his stealth better not worse and non reliant on duration mods which you already shouldnt be building on ash. He doesnt have to have the exact same stealth as loki, his should be different, not better not worse. Actually pay attention to what im saying instead of smashing your ideas into peoples head.

 

Then actually listen in return.

 

I read everyones threads, well atleast a good majority i have seen a few of your threads and read them thoroughly and even showed some support but your claims of a Shade stealth and relying solely on Trickery isnt effiecient nor a good idea imo.

Ash shouldnt rely on Trickery although I do run 2 Maxed that should be a Complimentary, basically a Warframe Augmentation and it does work Great for me, but New players cant access this unless they spend Plat for it which a New player shouldnt have to do to play Ash, that will ruin there experience with him.

 

Tbh Your Shade stealth imo is horrible, just Nerf Smoke Screen Completely and make Ashs 2 something then.

This is my opinion on your idea. Im not saying you are a bad player or anything but im sure You dont play Ash as much as I do and You have been in Warframe waaaaay before Me.

 

Just cuz You are a Founder doesnt make You a great player or Your ideas are better.

I know Founders that are straight up Noobs and dont even know whats going on in Warframe cuz of there Hiatus.

I agreed with Your Ash skin but that doesnt mean all Your concepts i will agree with. Why dont you check out My concept and tell me Your Honest opinion. Im sure after this You might say my ideas are bad but be honest with Yourself not Me, a good ideas a good idea whether you agree with the person or not.

 

Your Shade Ash idea is not I rather a Huras Ash over a Shade Ash anyday.

 

This is like that guys concept about making all sentinels have a Vacuum.

Thats pointless, Be honest with Yourself. A shade cloak for Ash is really great? 

I respect Your idea, but i dont like it or agree with it. I can convey ideas with you and be constructive instead of Nerfing the idea why not give it some QoL? I will even throw in some ideas to help but come on thats Horrible man I know you could do better then that? 

 

Or are You just trolling? Do You really like Ash? Seriously, dont throw Ash in the Trash like that

[crackbeard]

Are you kidding me right now? Shade and huras are exactly the same for WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT. Its not EXACTLY like shade stealth i just mean you have infinite stealth until you attack. huras an shade are the same in that aspect. I can almost guarantee i have more ash play time than you do. Yes i have read your ideas for ash and i dont like them because it just turns him into another duration based warframe which we have to many of.

 

The stealth i suggest you press it, youre in stealth forever until you attack but depending on the ammount of time youre in stealth your next attack does increased damage with an aoe blind or stun of some sort. 

 

stop talking about shade idgaf about shade i dont even use it it was just an example.

Edited September 13, 2015 by crackbeard

[xLordKogax]

Are you kidding me right now? Shade and huras are exactly the same for WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT. Its not EXACTLY like shade stealth i just mean you have infinite stealth until you attack. huras an shade are the same in that aspect. I can almost guarantee i have more ash play time than you do. Yes i have read your ideas for ash and i dont like them because it just turns him into another duration based warframe which we have to many of.

 

The stealth i suggest you press it, youre in stealth forever until you attack but depending on the ammount of time youre in stealth your next attack does increased damage with an aoe blind or stun of some sort. 

 

stop talking about shade idgaf about shade i dont even use it it was just an example.

 

Wow.

 

You sound made bruh chill.

You definetly havent read nothing i wrote in my thread, You aint even leave a comment, good or bad.

even if you dont agree you could comment and say 

 

I dont think X should work this way cause X.

 

My duration build is just there, I dont run it anymore its a relic and a Trophy to My build.

You said i wanna turn him into a Duration Frame You sound straight Ignorant.

I made a Full Rework concept or QoL if thats what it is considered.

 

You are actually Narrow Minded, if you werent you would actually read in detail what i wrote which i didnt make a Thread revolved around just Smoke Screen.

 

I addressed his whole Kit

 

Shuriken

Smoke Screen

Teleport

Bladestorm

 

I emphasized on CC with smoke clouds that choke enemies not only in Smoke screen, but in Teleports whether it be Dash teleports (Free-aimed) or Targeted Teleports (You know enemies sometimes escape teleport dont lie)

Even Bladestorm I made a concept that people complain about Bladestorm and I created an Idea that could be the solution for Long Bladestorm animations and enemies Killing allies or Destroying Cryopods etc. I also suggested a Cancel/Toggle button but Im sure with the Smoke clouds released in Bladestormon Marked enemies would provide Crowd Control and give him a utility to offer a Team play.

 

Do you just want Ash to be a Solo Frame?

This isnt Metal Gear or Tenchu, btw I dont get Your Shade cloak. Your Saying he stays invisible Forever?

You know Damn well people will Cry thats tooo OP.

How about if you run around and Never attack? You go Forever invisible? You didnt even explain your concept in detail, i that suppose to be his new smoke screen or what? Explain in detail, and leave the insult out please. Be a little more mature about conveying a concept.

If DE was to consider Hiring You IDGAF isnt the attitude they need. 

[YasaiTsume]

I can see LordKogax is at it again.

All he just wants is a longer Invis. 

We don't need another Loki and Smokescreen's stun already suggests how Ash should be played anyway.

High Hp and 2 Stuns obviously mean Ash wasn't designed to be a Stealth but rather a takedown specialist.
 

[crackbeard]

You're just really annoying in the way you go about talking to people, you're like a bratty little kid, and it bugs me when people are completely hypocritical like you telling me not to insult you when i never did and infact you spent half your post trying to act like you're better than me for some unknown reason. Look i have no reason to argue with you anymore you're obviously the type of person that is set in their ideals and wont accept anything else and thats fine. My suggestions make ash a better team player in a different way than most frames and whats the point of making him another version of someone else we already have. 

[xLordKogax]

I can see LordKogax is at it again.

All he just wants is a longer Invis. 

We don't need another Loki and Smokescreen's stun already suggests how Ash should be played anyway.

High Hp and 2 Stuns obviously mean Ash wasn't designed to be a Stealth but rather a takedown specialist.

 

 

There goes the cheerleaders xD

 

You need to stop talking trash like You know what I wanna suggested Mr.Rikimaru, go Play DOTA 2 or something Warframes not for You buddy.

You out of all people should not comment anything about what i say, especially since you have nothing positive to say other then Steal concepts then Troll.

 

You could definetly talk trash about My ideas well but You loved My Choke Cloud concept, stole it and ran with it remember?!

[YasaiTsume]

Lol LordKogax should just stop going on every Ash related post and force people to love yur ideas.

[xLordKogax]

You're just really annoying in the way you go about talking to people, you're like a bratty little kid, and it bugs me when people are completely hypocritical like you telling me not to insult you when i never did and infact you spent half your post trying to act like you're better than me for some unknown reason. Look i have no reason to argue with you anymore you're obviously the type of person that is set in their ideals and wont accept anything else and thats fine. My suggestions make ash a better team player in a different way than most frames and whats the point of making him another version of someone else we already have. 

 

Man not one idea you said was Team oriented all you sugguest was a Forever invisibility.

 

Then Rikimaru over here tags along when he wants to Nerf the Life outta Smoke screen.

 

Speaking of that you got offended and used offensive acronyms remember?

 

Your tone itself shows Your in your feelings. Thats sad that folks like you are sooo ignorant. I actually have collaborated with several folks cuz they have similar ideas as i and we have worked together.

 

I wouldnt mind collaborating with anyone even you guys but the way you come out your mouth shows You are narrow minded.

 

My idea Really provides Cooperative play, I bet if I tell You my concept provides CC for Ash you would say "Ash doesnt need CC he is a damage dealer"

 

Theres Your Contradiction, You said your ideas team oriented but not one thing you offer is infact team oriented.

Forever invisibility isnt team oriented in fact thats selfish and only benefits Ash.

 

Lets be real here Choke Cloud provides Team play not Forever Shade Cloak.

All jokes and negative comments aside, CC is team oriented not an infinite stealth.

 

Im not hating on your concept, i simply dont agree, when someone doesnt agree you automatically get mad and in your feelings when i didnt offend you You got made and said IDGAF scroll up and see for yourself.

 

If you have a good concept I will show love and give props where props is due but i dont agree on the concept, is that Bad?

Edited September 13, 2015 by xLordKogax

[xLordKogax]

Lol LordKogax should just stop going on every Ash related post and force people to love yur ideas.

 

Last i recall I am allowed to go on any thread and leave my idea you cant force me to do other wise.

 

As long as I havent disrespected anyone, i can state my opinion right?

You put Your 2 cents in why cant I? I obviously care about Ash not like You that wants to Nerf.

 

You just hate me thats all, I dont got nothing against You and that shows how negative You are.

Why dont You make a thread Yourself YasaiTsume and Link it to me and If i like I will show the thread props.

 

I even showed CrackBeard love on his Ash skin, why? Cuz I liked the Idea, but you guys are such haters and got something against me that even if i made an Idea that You agreed on Your Ego is sooo Hell bent on going against Me that You will disagree till Death due Your part.

 

Thats shows you got Hate in Your Heart, show some love for a Change

[crackbeard]

The only reason ash needs to use invisibility is to get away from bad situations or revive allies, ive said this a million times i feel like but if they took my ideas and put them in action he would be the best warframe in the game when it comes to reviving and there is no where you are going to tell me that reviving your allies is not team oriented. CC isnt the only team oriented thing you can do in the game you're still just trying to make him like every other frame. We have a invisible stealth CC frame his name is loki. I said idgaf because you kept going on and on about shade and huras which had nothing to do with anything i was talking about, i cant believe im even responding again.

 

btw you got everything backwards, all i said originally is "i dont like your ideas" you said "your ideas are horrible you dont play ash youre a troll" - see? completely hypocritical in everything youre talking about. I get annoyed by people that are annoying and im not afraid to act on how i feel, which you internet people love to latch onto and attack. "you mad bro?" yeah stupid people make me angry, you happy now bro? Dont like my ideas? then get the F on and quit wasting both of our time.

 

What is it with people on the internet, taking what they themselves are doing, telling you that you're the one doing it, and talking down on you for it. At the end of the day youre ultimately just insulting yourself.

Edited September 13, 2015 by crackbeard

[xLordKogax]

The only reason ash needs to use invisibility is to get away from bad situations or revive allies, ive said this a million times i feel like but if they took my ideas and put them in action he would be the best warframe in the game when it comes to reviving and there is no where you are going to tell me that reviving your allies is not team oriented. CC isnt the only team oriented thing you can do in the game you're still just trying to make him like every other frame. We have a invisible stealth CC frame his name is loki. I said idgaf because you kept going on and on about shade and huras which had nothing to do with anything i was talking about, i cant believe im even responding again.

 

btw you got everything backwards, all i said originally is "i dont like your ideas" you said "your ideas are horrible you dont play ash youre a troll" - see? completely hypocritical in everything youre talking about. I get annoyed by people that are annoying and im not afraid to act on how i feel, which you internet people love to latch onto and attack. "you mad bro?" yeah stupid people make me angry, you happy now bro? Dont like my ideas? then get the F on and quit wasting both of our ti

 

 

 

 

Yeah You mad Bro. 

 

Proof you are a Hater.

 

Instead of getting mad you should speak your ideas and prove your point in a respectful way.

Just cuz I said your idea is terrible doesnt mean I disrespected You or that gives You the right to talk all typa trash out your mouth.

 

And you just escalated this topic into the most controversial topic on Warframe.

I wont talk about Your feelings or negativity, I will get back too OP cuz I am interested in Ash and Your ideas do matter whether i like agree or not I will state my opinion cuz thats what Forums are here for the Public to reply and share Ideas.

 

Ash can already save allies

T4Intercept and I can run it solo. I could run Draco and Carry noobs which alot of players Hate and will Rage and throw a fit.

You saying im tryna make him another Loki is completely wrong cuz You havent read My concept at all not even one bit.

Why dont You actually relax and read it, no hard feelings bro. This is a Game aint no reason to get all worked up, Grab a Pillow and Draw my name on it and Punch it a few time see if it make you feel better. xD

 

Soo you telling me that a Choke Cloud in smoke screen is a copy of Loki?

Yasai come on bruh seriously dont be a hater and admit You even Liked My concept and adopted it with your other friend although yall twisted it to your own views but originally the choke cloud concept was an idea i shared with (PS4)GR13V4NC3.

 

Not one time did he get pissed and start a Riot, a few other folks have even liked My concepts soo I must be doing something right 

[crackbeard]

Hey man you started the trash talking i'm just obviously a more aggressive and dominant person than you are, while you seem to be very defensive and more passive aggressive.

 

And you know you say you love ash and you dont want to play loki, but secretly, deep down, you do want to play loki you just dont like his hammerhead.

 

Admit it. He wouldn't have the exact same abilities as loki but he would be doing over all the exact same thing when right now they do two completely different jobs. I want to keep him in the same roll while adding small changes that emphasize what hes already good at more, you want to change him to fill a different roll and wont shut up about it. Go argue about your ideas on your own post i seriously don't care.

[crackbeard]

Yes i'm a hater, but you're a recycled internet dweeb with passive aggressive tendencies that resorts to overused dork tactics to insult people, too each their own.

[xLordKogax]

Hey man you started the trash talking i'm just obviously a more aggressive and dominant person than you are, while you seem to be very defensive and more passive aggressive.

 

And you know you say you love ash and you dont want to play loki, but secretly, deep down, you do want to play loki you just dont like his hammerhead.

 

Admit it. He wouldn't have the exact same abilities as loki but he would be doing over all the exact same thing when right now they do two completely different jobs. I want to keep him in the same roll while adding small changes that emphasize what hes already good at more, you want to change him to fill a different roll and wont shut up about it. Go argue about your ideas on your own post i seriously don't care.

 

 

 

Passive aggresive? xD You more aggressive then Me?

Buddy you dont even know Me, Im just tryna keep it clean, not gonna call you names and stuff cuz that wont get me nowhere.

Might get Me banned by You after you report is the most that will happen. Thats what You want, im not a push button.

You making all these assumptions is pathetic and Narrow Minded.

I got love for all Frames but Ash is My main concern.

If I was a Loki player i wouldnt hide it at all, theres nothing wrong with liking Loki and the way he looks is irrelevant if the Frames efficient in combat what does  looks matter?

 

Regular Ash is Ugly, His normal Helm looks like a Cockroach but I still Love the Frame.

If your going to make statements then make sure they are correct, and Facts.

 

I never made a statement about Changing None of Ashs abilities AT ALL!

I kept al his abilities and added some QoL while innovating new Mechanics.

Made Smoke Shadow more efficient with My ideas aswell, im Sure DE wouldnt change a Frames ability if it has a Augment to it and does your concept synergize with Smoke Shadow? You gonna cloak allies Forever?

 

I see now why DE wont Fix Ash, too many hatred coming from the community about him. He will never be fixed, not my way or your way or anyones way, I have Faith DE will make a right decision and a Real Ash master wil adapt and Master any style of rework they make whether its Your style I can master it and whether its Yasais style I will adapt and Master it aswell.

Edited September 13, 2015 by xLordKogax

[Tenedranox]

Guys, i started to read ur discussion...skiped at the half

 

U both have different ideas, deal with it and stop complaining about each other.

If an idea is great or not is a point of view, but when something gets nerfed something else should be improved.

I can see both ideas ingame, but i turns ash, ofc tweaks and reworks turn him.

So pls calm down and quit ur disputes.

 

Ash wouldnt get anything when we complain about every idea someone came up with, we just have to hope that he gets what he needs. And what he needs is still up to DE.

[(PSN)IIIDevoidIII]

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