Do You Think Primes Have A Place In Conclave Pvp?

[(XBOX)YoAlaskaDude]

It's a topic I've been thinking about for some time. While there are some primes that are not as OP as they would be in PvE, they're are some that have slightly higher stats than there counterparts but could also be considered game changers (I'm looking at you Frost Prime).

 

So like the topic says, do you think primes has a place in PvP?

[naheleduskwalker]

I dont do pvp really but i would say no unless their stats are lowered to that of their non prime counterparts. 

[Kthal]

Honestly, I would have treated Prime weapons (and other variants) as simple reskins (with extra polarities), for the purposes of Conclave, but DE have done a decent job of balancing them against their standard counterparts.

 

In the case of Prime Frames, I do think that the straight upgrades are completely unbalanced. Shields, energy and health are all the same, but the armour bonuses are a bit ridiculous as they do give a noticeable advantage, and the movement speed increases on some of them is a very big deal.

Edited September 27, 2015 by Kthal

[stoybot]

Not going to be fun for those of us who have deleted the non-prime variants.

[naheleduskwalker]

Not going to be fun for those of us who have deleted the non-prime variants.

 Just do like i said and set their stats to their non-primed versions in pvp. I deleted my normal nova so i know what you mean. 

[Mastikator2]

Yes but they should be sidegrades like latron prime vs regular latron, not straight upgrade like ash prime vs regular ash.

[(XBOX)YoAlaskaDude]

Honestly, I would have treated Prime weapons (and other variants) as simple reskins (with extra polarities), for the purposes of Conclave, but DE have done a decent job of balancing them against their standard counterparts.

 

In the case of Prime Frames, I do think that the straight upgrades are completely unbalanced. Shields, energy and health are all the same, but the armour bonuses are a bit ridiculous as they do give a noticeable advantage, and the movement speed increases on some of them is a very big deal.

 

I can relate to this. Prime Frames should have their stats lowered to the stats of there counterpart... for PvP of course.

[ragingdeamon]

primes already have the non-prime stats in PvP, if I recall correctly.

[Ziegrif]

As long as they don't have better stats sure.

[GTX49]

I'm using my braton prime there and tbh i think its great when it comes to the large mag size.. u can chase anyone without reloading for a quite period of time.

[InglriousB]

It don't make any sense to make Prime weapons less power full. That's what they are prime for to begin with.

This is also the one big reason I don't play Conclave, because it takes a big dump on everything in the game. A Dikana equalling a Skana or a Soma Prime equalling a braton, that's just ridiculing the game.

[Vaxillian]

I agree with everyone else who are saying to lower their stats.

 

When it comes to pvp no frame should really be better in general, just have different utilities/abilities.

[blasron]

i think the frame should not be allow in the pvp but the weapon can be balance for it. Or put the Prime frame variant equal to the no-prime

[Zarozian]

Yeah they should all have equal stats nerf Valkyr's armor and Chroma's armor. o 3o

[(PSN)Xurokhan]

Of course they do.

Primes are just as much part of this game as the conclave is.

And I don't think that their stats need to be lowered to that of their non prime counterparts either, provided that they are at least balanced for pvp use.

People game hard for some of those prime weapons and they deserve to be able to enjoy the slight upper hand that comes with that hard work.

[Monybags33]

Just for bling purposes and nothing more, anything else is a unfair advantage not designed for PVP as of yet. Sure you could design something for them but in a PVP the rules are much different than in PVE, on a fairness aspect at the very least. But I'm sure something could be done if taken with care.

Edited September 27, 2015 by Monybags33

[RainbowCandyCat]

Yea, they should have some kinda buff..

[(XBOX)The Dracoknight]

Primes should be only cosmetic in PvP. PvP is about player skill, not who has the most time/best gear. In fact primes being superior in PvP is extremely unfair to new players, because some primes are unavailable in the void such as Frost, Mag and soon to be Ember.

Edited September 27, 2015 by (XB1)The Dracoknight

[Alethkar]

If you have earned a prime, you should be able to use it in pvp. It's stats should be different than its counterpart.

Why would you not reward players for building primes?

[Vaxillian]

If you have earned a prime, you should be able to use it in pvp. It's stats should be different than its counterpart.

Why would you not reward players for building primes?

 

"Earned" I think is the wrong word. Farm is a far better word. Until DE can find a way to actually "earn primes" through some sort of challange I think primes should be as equal as any its unprimed counter part in pvp.

Edited September 27, 2015 by Vaxillian

[Alethkar]

"Earned" I think is the wrong word. Farm is a far better word. Until DE can find a way to actually "earn primes" through some sort of challange I think primes should be as equal as any its unprimed counter part in pvp.

"Earned" or "Farmed" same thing as far as video games go.

In every other MMO I've played you grind for gear, or honor, or rep etc. Primes (frames or otherwise) & Prisma, & syndicate, IMO, are pretty much the same thing: end game gear that you as a player have spent time earning/farming/grinding. Therefore, you should be able to reap the benefits of using it in any game mode PvE or pvp.

If players have issues with others using end game gear in pvp, then they probably don't have the gear.

Otherwise, if you don't want to use it for whatever reason, don't use it. Why does what someone else chooses to play affect you, if you yourself can earn that exact same gear, excluding Excalibur Prime.

On a final note, don't blame the frame, blame the one doing the driving. ;P

Again, these are just my opinions, not trying to tell others how to play!

[Vaxillian]

"Earned" or "Farmed" same thing as far as video games go.

In every other MMO I've played you grind for gear, or honor, or rep etc. Primes (frames or otherwise) & Prisma, & syndicate, IMO, are pretty much the same thing: end game gear that you as a player have spent time earning/farming/grinding. Therefore, you should be able to reap the benefits of using it in any game mode PvE or pvp.

If players have issues with others using end game gear in pvp, then they probably don't have the gear.

Otherwise, if you don't want to use it for whatever reason, don't use it. Why does what someone else chooses to play affect you, if you yourself can earn that exact same gear, excluding Excalibur Prime.

On a final note, don't blame the frame, blame the one doing the driving. ;P

Again, these are just my opinions, not trying to tell others how to play!

 

I can see what you're saying but the way I see it is that players that put more time into mindless grinding to get better gear rather than actual practice into something that proves to be difficult shouldn't be stronger.

[Nighttide77]

I'm not one for primes being better than standard frames, however, I don't have my standard Ash anymore, just Ash Prime...so yeah, I like having prime stuffs in Conclave, but I don't think it should be more than just a different skin.

[Vadrigos]

I couldn't care less. PVP is an abomination that sprouted on the side of Warframe like a boil, fed by the whining of people who just HAD to have PVP, regardless of how bad an idea it was.

[KingTaro]

I'd say Frost has the biggest gap between its regular and prime version.

And I don't mean "too much". None of the frames feel OP to me.

 

Either way, Primes should definitely be allowed.

But I wouldn't mind if the stats were to be the same.