Darkstar2610 Posted June 12, 2013 Author Share Posted June 12, 2013 Oh, so you mean you wouldn't actually be controlling the frame, or am I misunderstanding? No you are still in control of your frame when I say that I want to corrupt a frame i mean give it a new sinister look kinda like the stalkers and then invade other people with the PVP function on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstar2610 Posted June 12, 2013 Author Share Posted June 12, 2013 If you'd actually read what I said, you'd notice that I was not talking about those people. Well, further PVP, then. yeah on a bigger scale if you are unlucky as an invader you're gonna fight a whole team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyojinOrion Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 No you are still in control of your frame when I say that I want to corrupt a frame i mean give it a new sinister look kinda like the stalkers and then invade other people with the PVP function on Ah, okay. In that case, my original post still stands. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstar2610 Posted June 12, 2013 Author Share Posted June 12, 2013 Ah, okay. In that case, my original post still stands. :D Hmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoxile Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Except this isn't competitive pvp, it's a player roleplaying as a boss. The only thing that will possibly need to be balanced is stalker's abilities/weapons/stats. Player abilities and weapons won't need any changes.Competitive... casual... Makes no difference. Imagine an Ash jumping in with stealth, and then Blade Storming all the players down. This really doesn't need to be discussed, as Warframe is a PVE game, and despite the thousands of requests to put more PVP in DE will not do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tetsmeha Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 yeah on a bigger scale if you are unlucky as an invader you're gonna fight a whole team TBH Dark Souls style invasion PVP does not fit in Warframe because in Dark Souls it's 2v1v1 and not 4v1 like in Warframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tetsmeha Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 despite the thousands of requests to put more PVP in DE will not do so. Yeah they did it's in the dojo how do you think they got people to stop complaining about pvp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoxile Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 despite the thousands of requests to put MORE PVP in DE will not do so. Yeah they did it's in the dojo how do you think they got people to stop complaining about pvp? "More" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstar2610 Posted June 12, 2013 Author Share Posted June 12, 2013 Except this isn't competitive pvp, it's a player roleplaying as a boss. The only thing that will possibly need to be balanced is stalker's abilities/weapons/stats. Player abilities and weapons won't need any changes. TBH Dark Souls style invasion PVP does not fit in Warframe because in Dark Souls it's 2v1v1 and not 4v1 like in Warframe. But as an invader you will have more shield and life if you meet a big team. Mabye you could even have your own team so it would be 4v2 (4 normal 2 stalker) or something like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggh Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 (edited) Competitive... casual... Makes no difference. Imagine an Ash jumping in with stealth, and then Blade Storming all the players down. This really doesn't need to be discussed, as Warframe is a PVE game, and despite the thousands of requests to put more PVP in DE will not do so. That would be stupid. But most discussions on this concept have been having people play as stalker, not as Ash or any other frame. People thought that the dueling room balance would be left as is. DE has said otherwise. Nothing is set in stone. But as an invader you will have more shield and life if you meet a big team. Mabye you could even have your own team so it would be 4v2 (4 normal 2 stalker) or something like that Playing as stalker should be a major challenge . Just killing your target should be a major accomplishment. Imo it's uncessary to make it easier by adding another stalker for full parties. Edited June 12, 2013 by Aggh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstar2610 Posted June 12, 2013 Author Share Posted June 12, 2013 That would be stupid. But most discussions on this concept have been having people play as stalker, not as Ash or any other frame. People thought that the dueling room balance would be left as is. DE has said otherwise. Nothing is set in stone. Playing as stalker should be a major challenge . Just killing your target should be a major accomplishment. Imo it's uncessary to make it easier by adding another stalker for full parties. 2v4 that's not that bad. But you're right it should be a challenge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofRobin73 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Not to mention how this could be abused if stalker-players were to drop blueprints like stalker does when they die... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggh Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Not to mention how this could be abused if stalker-players were to drop blueprints like stalker does when they die... This is why people need to look up discussion on the topic before they open their mouths. a.) Player stalkers would not have the ability to choose who they're going to stalk, it would most likely be a queue with people randomly assigned to targets b.)Player stalkers would not be able to talk to their targets and would not be able to see their names c.) Making the rewards worthwhile for both parties would mean that people would have more of an incentive to play their respective roles properly. Some stat tracking could help flag abuse as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deodus Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 PVP is okay as long as it doesn't grant any bonus/addition to PVE for me. I'm having enough PVP in other games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstar2610 Posted June 12, 2013 Author Share Posted June 12, 2013 Not to mention how this could be abused if stalker-players were to drop blueprints like stalker does when they die... no drop's just PVP fun that's all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstar2610 Posted June 12, 2013 Author Share Posted June 12, 2013 PVP is okay as long as it doesn't grant any bonus/addition to PVE for me. I'm having enough PVP in other games. if you mean mods by bonus/addition then it's no prob because i only want some fun PVP not mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishworshipper Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 No you are still in control of your frame when I say that I want to corrupt a frame i mean give it a new sinister look kinda like the stalkers and then invade other people with the PVP function on This S#&$ would be so ridiculously unbalanced it wouldn't even be funny. Saryn + Reach modded Fragor + Boltor + Kunai/Akbolto/Acrid = Might as well stop moving, because I'm going to die or get stunlocked then die even if I try to move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggh Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 (edited) This S#&$ would be so ridiculously unbalanced it wouldn't even be funny. Saryn + Reach modded Fragor + Boltor + Kunai/Akbolto/Acrid = Might as well stop moving, because I'm going to die or get stunlocked then die even if I try to move. Would just mean some minor balance changes would be needed for stun affects on player controlled stalkers. Oh noes. They're most likely already working on this kind of stuff for dueling balance. Edited June 12, 2013 by Aggh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsukinoki Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Corrupted Vauban + bastille equals your entire group of 4 people dieing without a hope of even getting of a single shot. It wouldn't work. You would need to nerf too many abilities into the ground to balance for this, and that would ruin the main focus of the game PVE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-2138 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 (edited) I have to agree with Xoxile and others on this. I really feel like more PVP would end up hurting Warframe. Its a lot of work and you would have to rebalance everything, not just powers but weapons, mods, sentinels, frame attributes like speed and armor, maneuvers like blocking. Its not a bad idea but I just don't think it fits into this game. Edited June 13, 2013 by RC-2138 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordGwyn Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 For the Gwyn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tainted_Fox Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 no, its a just horrible idea. just because a lot of people want this feature. doesn't make it a good idea at allits mean't to be a co op friendly game. there is nothing co op friendly about being killed by another player when trying to complete a mission. also the stalker stops being unique when other players start controlling it. no one will ever appreciate this featureperhaps in the future i could see this happening. but the many things im wanting in this game right now isnt a human controlled stalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstar2610 Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 no, its a just horrible idea. just because a lot of people want this feature. doesn't make it a good idea at all its mean't to be a co op friendly game. there is nothing co op friendly about being killed by another player when trying to complete a mission. also the stalker stops being unique when other players start controlling it. no one will ever appreciate this feature perhaps in the future i could see this happening. but the many things im wanting in this game right now isnt a human controlled stalker Join not controll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battlehotdog Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 maybe you could be the stalker PvE style? reach a squad of [greneers,...] befor they can complete the objective and take them out. (with timer???) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstar2610 Posted June 22, 2013 Author Share Posted June 22, 2013 maybe you could be the stalker PvE style? reach a squad of [greneers,...] befor they can complete the objective and take them out. (with timer???) Not be the stalker JOIN the stalker. And the stalker avenges the death of greneer bosses so why would he hunt them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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