The Inevitable Thread That Will Show Up After Kogake Event Winners Are Chosen But I'm Making It Now Because I Like To Think Im Psychic And S#&$

[Bakim0n0]

I fully admit it's a personal preferance thing... I am not running around screaming "y r dere no eventz?!??!??!?!!?" just pointing out that the events have been disinteresting at best for the bulk of people I talk to.

The Moa thing I busted my butt for, the artifact thing was dissapointing (took maybe 45 min of playtime to complete and the rewards are beyond useless) and this event... I mean I guess it's cool but I don't really want to spend hours of my free time making and editing videos (more power to those that do).

I still feel like there are some really easy to do things that would actually be somewhat compelling and get people playing... the tater alert for x amount of kills thing being a perfect example... with all the stuff they track I imagine it wouldn't really take much effort for them to find out the average number of kills made in a weekend, add like 15% or so to that and set it as the benchmark for kills for the community. Garentee you that you'd see a surge in numbers if they did something like that and I doubt it would take much doing on their part.

[Reduxe]

Wanna know something crazy, OP? Not everything in life is fair.

[Qynchou]

IMO entries that should win:

 

uppercut dread thunderbolt finisher combo

this 1 guy that executed parkour perfectly while landing perfectly timed a melee slide attack which looked awesome (not some random wallrun/jump attack)

another guy using vaubans bounce to land a cool kill

 

pretty much original submissions. As much as Im happy to see people participating in the contest and putting effort into making a video, they could be more creative than posting a casual jump attak/stealth kill.

[Bakim0n0]

uppercut dread thunderbolt finisher combo

If this person wins I will be pissed. I have a great idea that I didn't bother to mention to people I know participating because the contest clearly states that it has to be a *kogake* kill.

[Duelshock]

If this person wins I will be &!$$ed. I have a great idea that I didn't bother to mention to people I know participating because the contest clearly states that it has to be a *kogake* kill.

Its not very original either. I saw other videos that did the exact same thing but with different weapons. He just copied the idea but used a dread instead (which is still admirable because its pretty hard to do that). 

[Qynchou]

Its not very original either. I saw other videos that did the exact same thing but with different weapons. He just copied the idea but used a dread instead (which is still admirable because its pretty hard to do that). 

I think hes the first person to put in that type of kill in the thread.

[Duelshock]

I think hes the first person to put in that type of kill in the thread.

Well if so then other people ruined it. All the good original ones were copied to death so now they're not original <_<. If I had a highly original idea like that I would of waited till today at 11:00 to post it lol.

Edited July 1, 2013 by Duelshock

[Qynchou]

Well if so then other people ruined it. All the good original ones were copied to death so now they're not original <_<. If I had a highly original idea like that I would of waited till today at 11:00 to post it lol.

Well in that case one can just hope once DE sees a couple of submissions with the same idea they will give credit to whoever posted it first.

[Bakim0n0]

Well if so then other people ruined it. All the good original ones were copied to death so now they're not original <_<. If I had a highly original idea like that I would of waited till today at 11:00 to post it lol.

I have a bunch of ideas... but I wont bother to post... mostly because the prize doesn't really interest me nor does spending the time to edit it.

With the same amount of effort I can make an extra 50 bucks, which is infinitely more interesting to me than more plat considering I've got plenty with nothing much to spend it on.

Edited July 1, 2013 by Bakim0n0

[HomeyCDawg]

I'm not sure that fancy editing will make a big difference. I think they are looking for stylish kills from a gameplay perspective, not the cinematic quality of the video.

[.Mochie]

I just think that the moment 2 people make a video with the same kill, it automatically isnt the best kill at all, it should be unique. And if by any chance there is a unique kind of kill that lets say 3 people did, award the first one, he was the "original" even if the others didnt copy, he was faster.

 

I looked at many many videos, and seriously, most are the same thing. Edited videos with 5-10 kills are just boring, all the previous 18281737189 videos did the same thing. You added a nice track or some humor into the video? Your editing skills are good, but wheres the best kill?

 

I do hope DE judges the videos by best kill, and not best editing, I know how to truely edit videos, have been doing it for some years already, and I will post a kill with no edits at all, thats the whole idea behind it, a different and awesome kill, not a edit to show off my editing skills.

 

As someone else with solid editing skills, I can agree with you here. I've been making videos for youtube for years now, and I'll say this now: If your kill needs special effects and synched music to make it awesome, you're doing it wrong. My entry has zero editing aside from a fade in/out that I added while slicing the clip out of the raw footage, simply because I believe the kill is awesome enough to stand on its own.

[Duelshock]

As someone else with solid editing skills, I can agree with you here. I've been making videos for youtube for years now, and I'll say this now: If your kill needs special effects and synched music to make it awesome, you're doing it wrong. My entry has zero editing aside from a fade in/out that I added while slicing the clip out of the raw footage, simply because I believe the kill is awesome enough to stand on its own.

 

Exactly

[ClaymoreNo47]

reminds me of middle school. Everyone wants a friggin award. Funniest person, nicest person. Fk that. Real achievement gets rewarded. Person who made best video killing someone with an awesome weapon. Welcome to life, you're not rewarded for doing nothing.

Edited July 1, 2013 by ClaymoreNo47

[demonaii]

Joke title aside~

Was contemplating whether or not to post this, but since I typed it all up, I'd rather not waste the effort.

Disclaimer: This is not a rant or elitist speech and please don't take it as such. This is meant to be an informative post.

Half of this post can apply to any other video contest so it's closer to common sense than being specifically for this event.

Not all contests are fair. The only ones that are somewhat fair are raffle ones.

Believe it or not, this contest comes with a barrier to entry - that is at minimum, you must:

-Have a decent rig

-Know how to record and render with decent quality to prepare for upload

That's the starting point because regardless of what idea you get, anyone with the same idea but better quality will most likely have a better chance at winning than you. Another note is that embedding videos on forums is not the hardest thing in the world, yet people figure out to make and upload the video, but not embedding. Personally speaking, I do not think that those who did not bother embedding their videos bothered to make a decent video either as I've viewed a couple of them and they all look the same. It's essentially a filter but it's DE choice whether or not they're going to view them all in new links. I wouldn't. With that said, the next thing is to actually have a good idea. Warframe being the game it is, melee weapons only have a certain amount of animations and limited amount of ways to kill enemies.

The description of a "best kill" is actually pretty vague since different people have different "best" ideas. Keep in mind though, that the judges are actually DE and not you, so you have to keep in mind of other people's tastes and not just your own. On this note, this is seemingly another requirement that one must have an aesthetic sense that would appeal to the general public.

This means that regular 'E' Button mashing, jump slam, uppercut attacks, and charge attack videos probably would not have a chance. Keyword is regular here. Since these are something all players are able to do, one must do something involving Warframe abilities and/or the environment - gimmicks if you must, to have a good chance. But of course, in this event, not all Warframe abilities are equal as some of you should have noticed. Montages however, are a way of adding a bit of spice to regular kills, making it look nicer, but of course, this also requires that one knows at least the basics of video editing software.

Volts and Vaubans have an advantage due to how their abilities can manipulate their movements to the extremes. Just imagine any other warframe in their place doing or trying to do the same thing. It just wouldn't have the same effect. One could argue that everyone could make those warframes but not all players have enough slots or have farmed all the parts (especially vauban), which limits this to those who main those frames or have bought platinum and obtained more warframe slots.

Based on the rules taken literally, most of us at this point (including me) already think that there is one volt video that is a definite winner. Of course, this disqualifies montages if it was meant to be a single kill - which is probably around 1/3 or 1/2 of the total submissions

To sum it up, you are a guaranteed(IMO) winner if you

-Have a decent rig

-Know how to record and render with decent quality to prepare for upload

-Good at editing (RAW videos still have a chance depending on how well the cut is filmed)

-Have an aesthetic sense that would appeal to the general public (probably not the overused meme clones)

--Have the skills to pull it off

---Used Volt(Speed) for it

-Embedded your video (minor point really, but yeah, it's like adding "have experience" to your resume)

-Did not make a montage (if rules meant 1 kill)

-Have friends - the more the better. Add a Frost(Freeze) / Rhino(Rhino Stomp), Mag(Pull) / Loki(Switch), and Vauban(Bounce)(Vortex) before the killing blow to any video and it will look infinitely better. (DO IT NOW BEFORE THE EVENT ENDS)

Pretty sure most of the winners are going to be volts unless DE reads this post and agrees with my points then decides to go all anarchistic cause I said those things - in which case I would be right anyways. Of course I'm just assuming how people think in this post so forgive me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_bias

I'm not trying to hate on or promote anyone's videos. Just using my own standards as a standard to explain what I think are the standards.

 

To be honest, if I try my luck in this event I will most likely lose because of the bad quality of the video, slow internet and noob.

And maybe someone will have the same idea like mine.

Edited July 1, 2013 by demonaii

[belthagor]

To be honest, if I try my luck in this event I will most likely lose because of the bad quality of the video, slow internet and noob.

And maybe someone will have the same idea like mine.

you could ask a friend to record for you, plus it would make the view unique if you did.....

[demonaii]

you could ask a friend to record for you, plus it would make the view unique if you did.....

Shhh, don't say it so loud :D

[s8kshUn8]

I think editing shouldn't have been allowed in this competition, someone with good editing skills could just record a bunch of S#&$ty kills and make it look epic after editing. It's the best kill competition so i would be shocked if someone wins just using normal moves that have been edited, i was hoping to see more unique kills that don't need effects to make them look good

[360NOSCOPEHEADSHOT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pcDDR5G26M

Mine's going to win for sure because of my OP editing skillz!!!!!!

Plat pl0x 

Really though, video editing is probably not going to make a difference at all. Most of the videos are unedited, and the ones that are are just montages/memes, which are not likely going to win. Some of the best ones are unedited anyways. On another note, video editing is incredibly easy (not sure if it's the same with freeware).

I also recorded this with my non gaming laptop, so if someone like me with a &!$$ poor rig can at least enter the contest, the rigs don't matter all that much. If DE does a good job judging, it will be unique kills, not super pretty graphics.

[Here]

Really though, video editing is probably not going to make a difference at all. Most of the videos are unedited, and the ones that are are just montages/memes, which are not likely going to win. Some of the best ones are unedited anyways. On another note, video editing is incredibly easy (not sure if it's the same with freeware).

I also recorded this with my non gaming laptop, so if someone like me with a &!$$ poor rig can at least enter the contest, the rigs don't matter all that much. If DE does a good job judging, it will be unique kills, not super pretty graphics.

While that does sound ideal, I've seen a fair share of contests from other games and the winners are never from a person with a choppy video recorded from a subpar pc regardless of what they recorded. Do people really expect some 15fps video to be a winner? Graphics shouldn't be the deciding factor, but depending on the games, low end can look like a completely different game. Low framerates will be judged since it is part of the video they are submitting. What's more is that if they're already on super low settings, there isn't a good chance that they'll get good framerates while recording.

As for unique kills, that's hard as I've mentioned in my first post. I'm actually thinking that the criteria is "unique looking kills" but that's just nitpicking words. The only ways anything can die by a Kogake is by steath, normal attack, uppercut, ground slam, wall melee, and charge attack. Anything else before it is just flashiness and has nothing to do with the Kogake itself. And who has the abilities to look the flashiest? That was basically a requirement even in the case that no video editing was done. The exception is if there were some interesting coincidences during a regular kill.

Edited July 2, 2013 by Here

[ChaotikDreamz]

My vid has the contest in the bag nuff said :P no others need apply lol.

[AkieChan]

(Using the "you" in my post is meant in a general direction; not flaming anyone or aiming this post at anyone!)

Speaking from experience, regardless of what rules have been set, there's always going to be someone or another that's not pleased with everyone's possibility to participate. Yes, we can blame the hardware or skills or "lack of originality" , but here's the thing; This was the kind of contest that DID require some decent hardware, it DID require some skills (how to record / edit  or even how to upload a vid on youtube) and it DID require originality. If you choose not to participate out of spite or by telling yourself "how unfair this contest is", you did the right thing. There's going to be contests you simply cannot participate in and that goes for EVERY kind of contest. In the world. Ever. You can't sing? Don't enter Idol. You can't cook? Don't enter Masterchef. Or rather yet; if you WANT to participate - acquire the skills, hardware or come up with the idea.

I really, REALLY, doubt they kept this contest to piss half the community off. They put the bar really low so everyone and anyone could participate. They didn't specify anything, really, not to limit the creativity. They didn't put a mile long list of rules to scare of half the contributions. It was simply a contest in all well meaning to gather the community, try out the new weapon, introducing "record a vid" to both spread the word of Warframe on YouTube and warm the community up for making our own Warframe videos.

Granted there will be ppl that's gonna be butt-hurt if they don't win (and I might just be one of them, lol :P), but imho, I thought this contest was fun. I spent many hours looking through all the videos and even if I didn't find them all aw, so inspiring, it was still fun.

[Mak_Gohae]

OP probably submitted a Volt video and he is bringing attention to it.

[Mak_Gohae]

I'm still waiting for an event that is actually interesting.

Trying to devote hours to make a compelling 20 second video then submit it into a sea of samey videos is just not interesting to me, and I imagine that it's not interesting to most players.

Hands down the best event so far was the Moa event, and that's not really saying much... I think I liked the little easter changes more than any of the events.

I would love to see something more like... who can get the most kills in a single weekend with indivdual, clan and average clan kill brackets (basically the last one being the number of kills an entire clan gets divided by the number of members that logged in that weekend). Or maybe something like.... if we can, as a community, get 10 million kills in one weekend a special 12 hour potato alert pops or something to that effect.

I'm sorry, I know they are trying to think outside the box but video submissions are pretty weak, especially when there is built in "features" to the game that makes anyone with an NVidia card have better visuals; and it's even more lame to ask us to showcase melee which is very very shallow in my opinion.

Would have been 10,000% more interested in this event if it was "who could get the most kills with the Kogake" this weekend.

 

 

"Who can spend the most time on the game" is not really that exciting of a event.

I imagine that most players are will not be able to come anywhere near the selected few that can devote an endless amount of time on the game.

 

Maybe they should do a Bounty Hunter event where people need to kill/catch high value targets.

Have one unit in a mission assigned as a high value target, he is a different color and he appears once for a while, sort of like ???, but you need to engage him or he runs away and disappears. Once you capture him you need to escort him, like a prisoner,  to extraction while finishing your standard mission. But the enemy is actively trying to kill him and he has a limited amount of revives so if he gets downed 3 times you fail in the capture.  Have them appear all over the place and even some in later waves of defense missions. Like, he will only appear by wave 30.

 

As you capture targets they give you one piece to a special EXCLUSIVE item. For example, capturing all the targets in Venus gives you one quarter of the a piece of a BP or something. 

[AkieChan]

"Who can spend the most time on the game" is not really that exciting of a event.

I imagine that most players are will not be able to come anywhere near the selected few that can devote an endless amount of time on the game.

 

Maybe they should do a Bounty Hunter event where people need to kill/catch high value targets.

Have one unit in a mission assigned as a high value target, he is a different color and he appears once for a while, sort of like ???, but you need to engage him or he runs away and disappears. Once you capture him you need to escort him, like a prisoner,  to extraction while finishing your standard mission. But the enemy is actively trying to kill him and he has a limited amount of revives so if he gets downed 3 times you fail in the capture.  Have them appear all over the place and even some in later waves of defense missions. Like, he will only appear by wave 30.

 

As you capture targets they give you one piece to a special EXCLUSIVE item. For example, capturing all the targets in Venus gives you one quarter of the a piece of a BP or something. 

 

Or maybe sth like in Diablo III, where this dude appears randomly but try and run away from you. You hit him, he drops gold (or to adapt it to any other game event - a special "weekend currency") and if you kill him, you get more gold. Since there's a % chance he will appear in any mission (always runs pass a player and in very visible colors) - the more you play, the more likely are you to encounter him several times. The X amount of players who got the most "weekend currency" wins :)

They could even pull out a "token-contest" where killing mobs gives a chance to drop tokens that you can trade in for different things - colors or other cosmetics, or even platinum. The more tokens, the higher the reward.

There's a lot of contests they could keep ingame alongside alert missions, actually, but sometimes it's more fun to hold events on the forum to bring the whole community together :)

[biggians]

Favorites -

Uppercut to Dread charged shot boss kill

Wasn't a Kogake kill, the rules clearly state that the kills must be with the kogake weapon. It was an amazing kill, but if it is chosen as one of the winners, I guarantee the forums will explode with hate towards DE for picking a video that literally breaks even the vaguest interpretation of their rules.