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Braton Vandal - A Balancing Suggestion.


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So, to get some background information. xYVnceE.jpg As it is, it simply isn't worth using the Vandal over the regular Braton.

 

The increase in accuracy isn't worth a 20% drop in fire rate and in turn DPS.

 

And no, I'm not suggesting the Vandal be reverted to its original stats. For the newer players, it used to be directly superior. I propose making their stats the same.

 

I want to use my Vandal, and I'm going to use my Vandal. But it would be nice if I didn't always have that niggling feeling of inefficiency.

 

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Brandal - 188 DPS?

Braton - 226 DPS?

 

I'm not sure if that's accurate, but I'm assuming that the fire rate is per second.

 

Percentage wise - 226/188 = 1.20212. 

 

Descriptions - 

 

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And the MK1, because why not.

 

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EDIT: Old stats, for those wondering. No, I do not want that back. Far too overpowered.

 

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There has been a rather lengthy discussion regarding this born out of the introduction of forma and difference between the two.  I don't believe in that thread it has gone the direction of just making them identical other than skin/noise though.

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No gun is inferior, your mods just are

 

It has a direct fire rate drop, with a small boost in accuracy being the supposed payoff. It seems pretty inferior to me. I'm not saying it's bad, it's just not as good as the standard Braton.

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it's not as big a deal anymore with the added modding and polarizing options but this is basically what happens when enough people won't stop whining about not getting the vandal and the DE's for some reason nerfing it and buffing the regular braton over it. suppose i should just be glad they at least left my lato vandal alone.

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BV has the highest crit chance as a rifle barring sniper rifles. Also V polarity slots

Very important points. The high crit chance and the extra accuracy means the vandal is truly a head shot hunting crit machine when modded properly.

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it's not as big a deal anymore with the added modding and polarizing options but this is basically what happens when enough people won't stop whining about not getting the vandal and the DE's for some reason nerfing it and buffing the regular braton over it. suppose i should just be glad they at least left my lato vandal alone.

Lato Prime XD

 

But really though where's the Braton Vandal's 'higher damage values'?

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Very important points. The high crit chance and the extra accuracy means the vandal is truly a head shot hunting crit machine when modded properly.

You wont feel the extra 2.5% crit chance when you compare both weapons and crit is never a reliable damage source. Same goes for accuracy.. 28.6 compared to 33.3 is not noticable at all. Both weapons perform the same when you only take those values. To reflect the Vandal flavor text ("A special version of the standard BRATON rifle with a slower fire rate but offering higher accuracy and damage values. ...") of the Braton Vandal it should have atleast 5 points more base damage and ~50 accuracy to be different. To buff Braton's base damage to that of the Brandal back in the day was the wrong approach and a mistake. DE shouldve picked a different approach of making Braton more comparable to the Brandal.

 

Currently because of the higher fire rate Braton out-dps the Braton Vandal by alot.

 

From the other thread:

braton dps = 20 * 11.3 = 226

Vandal DPS = 20 * 9.3 = 186

 

You should look here: https://forums.warfr...al/#entry607478

 

My standpoint is that Vandal is a trait of some kind stating that Vandal weapons have higher base damage, higher accuracy and lower fire rate but currently the Braton has the same damage as the Brandal, no lower fire rate downside and virtually the same accuracy which makes the normal Braton the better weapon... and now after the implementaion of Forma even the extra polarity slot is not giving any benefit. On the long run Braton Vandal is worse.

 

Braton Vandal deserves a base damage buff and accuracy increase to stay true to it's flavor text.

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Any argument for or against the Braton Vandal does not change the fact that its description is blatantly wrong. Either the weapon or the description must change to suit the other.

Description is the same for all Vandals and Lato Vandal has more base damage, more accuracy and lower fire rate than normal Lato .. as it should be with the "Vandal trait" so i guess the Braton Vandal has to get a buff or the Lato Vandal a nerf ... but a nerf would be a very very bad move from DE to be honest. To quote them from the U8 related work Thread: "DON'T NERF "X", MAKE "Y" AS GOOD AS "X": Message received and understood."

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You wont feel the extra 2.5% crit chance when you compare both weapons and crit is never a reliable damage source. Same goes for accuracy.. 28.6 compared to 33.3 is not noticable at all. Both weapons perform the same when you only take those values. To reflect the Vandal flavor text ("A special version of the standard BRATON rifle with a slower fire rate but offering higher accuracy and damage values. ...") of the Braton Vandal it should have atleast 5 points more base damage and ~50 accuracy to be different. To buff Braton's base damage to that of the Brandal back in the day was the wrong approach and a mistake. DE shouldve picked a different approach of making Braton more comparable to the Brandal.

 

Currently because of the higher fire rate Braton out-dps the Braton Vandal by alot.

 

From the other thread:

braton dps = 20 * 11.3 = 226

Vandal DPS = 20 * 9.3 = 186

 

You should look here: https://forums.warfr...al/#entry607478

 

My standpoint is that Vandal is a trait of some kind stating that Vandal weapons have higher base damage, higher accuracy and lower fire rate but currently the Braton has the same damage as the Brandal, no lower fire rate downside and virtually the same accuracy which makes the normal Braton the better weapon... and now after the implementaion of Forma even the extra polarity slot is not giving any benefit. On the long run Braton Vandal is worse.

 

Braton Vandal deserves a base damage buff and accuracy increase to stay true to it's flavor text.

 

I approve of this

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Any argument for or against the Braton Vandal does not change the fact that its description is blatantly wrong. Either the weapon or the description must change to suit the other.

 

I agree. And I'd prefer the weapon to change.

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Braton DPS: 20*11.3*1.075 = 242.95

Brandal DPS: 20*9.4*1.150 = 202.1

 

Buff the damage to 23.  That'll send the DPS to 232.415, making it a much closer match and making the accuracy and fire control of the Brandal more reasonable differentiations.

Imho not enough because i just don't see why the normal Braton should be better than the Vandal which is a special, optimized and improved Braton. 4-5 points base damage and 15 points accuracy would reflect the flavor text and the Vandal trait. Lato Vandal has 6 more damage than the Lato.

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