(XBOX)ECCHO SIERRA
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14 minutes ago, (XBOX)Upl0rdYT said:
Couldn't you just use Revenant/Wisp immunity spam in that case?
Revenant will not work. The boss can disable abilities temporarily on hit.
Wisp motes would work better, i think. I havent tried as wisp yet but from what ive seen if you get hit it doesnt nullify the motes that are already on the ground. But he can still kill you.
He can one shot inaros so dont bother trying to face tank the frame with high armor/health.
I did it with protea. Crutched on shield nades and rolling guard. Rolling guard for when the boss nullified me and i couldnt use shield nades.
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47 minutes ago, dodorichard said:
OK all lets discuss.
with the Gargoyle’s Cry live we can go nuts and farm for arcanes, I already have a full set of Energize from playing so much Orphix Venom my arms hurt for days. So which are the best, which should we spend our hard earned rewards on?
Let me hear your thoughts Tenno.
Probably just energize. The cost is the same as grace or barrier but its always worth more in trades.
Its a good bargaining chip if you want something else.
The other arcanes like guardian etc are significantly easier to get in terms of drops from eidolons or from the packs.
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2 hours ago, (XBOX)Big Roy 324 said:
Not sure how what I wrote and what you wrote intersect. Other perhaps you feel my statement applies to you in some way?
I'm simply saying that we come on these forums demanding DE give us an experience. Everyone's idea of what that should be may differ.
But at the same time "Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game."
So after 10 years we've gotten really good at optimizing the fun out of warframe. Then in the same breath go "Yo DE where's my fun"
If you want to keep enjoying yourself you've got to remember that this is a game and consider what got you playing in the first place.
I think you should try reading that comment a few more times.
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2 hours ago, (PSN)robotwars7 said:
And they also did a OHK backbreaker on you, Bane vs Batman style if you got a Requiem wrong.. Don't forget that part! I thought it was kinda funny, but it did need changing lol.
I dunno about "content islands", that's probably always gonna be an issue, but i think DE are on to something with the new "secret" boss fight. More of those with some improvements, and additional rewards, but no nerfs to the bosses, and we might finally have ourselves a challenge people want.
I always thought the lich ohk was funny too
I think theyre afraid to put "good rewards" behind that kind of boss. Because alot of people would just rage/beg for nerfs/get filtered. I really hope they do though tbh.
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1 hour ago, PollexMessier said:
It would be, if legendary Eidolan arcanes didn't take literal years to farm. The vast majority of players that actually have these things ether farmed them from Scarlet Spear or Orphix Venom event, or bought them from people that farmed them that way. Barely anyone actually has the tolerance to do the, between 400 and 4000, Eidolan runs it takes to max these out. Especially with their frustrating time schedule BS.
They coulda found a better solution. Like each set of arcanes having their own thing they dissolve into that can only be used to make arcanes from the same set. But something had to be done about that nightmare. And frankly, it took them way too long to do anything about it.
I have about 70 harry captures. I dont know exactly how many, maybe im wrong. I think i only ever got energize to drop like twice.
Waaaay back when i used a combination of buying prime access and rolling and selling rivens in trade chat to eventually get all the "good" arcanes.
Then DE said screw you do it again, with the arcane changes. But hey at least scarlet spear wasnt unbearable.
But. Yeah.
Eidolon hunts are aids.
2 hours ago, PollexMessier said:DE has a long history of pushing grinds way beyond what any human being would consider remotely reasonable to see if they can get away with it
It happened with the first arcanes (which they did get away with for years until only literally this update did they sort it out)
It happened with Litch weapons
It happened with Railjack componants
It happened with Arcon shards.And probably about a million other things (My personal favorite is Braton vandal which took me 3 months of grinding several hours a day to get. Not worth it. Never try to get that weapon). Every major update they try this garbage.
The fact the vandal weapons are such an insane grind and it never got fixed and the weapons arent even good is just lol.
I could at least sorta defend the arcane thing because theyre *good*. Sorta.
The only sorta band aid right now is that theyre tradeable.
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6 hours ago, Cerenax said:
>50k standing
>easy to acquire
lol
Would take me 2 days or i could farm something to sell for 20p, which really isnt hard.
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46 minutes ago, Voltage said:
This playerbase has always been pretty allergic to progression. I remember a long time ago when DE reworked Mastery Rank locks on weapons to categorize them by general output power, and lots of people weren't appreciative of it. The same feedback happened when Plains of Eidolon had crafted Arcanes.
The word "progression" is always flipped into "too grindy".
Remember when the flavor of the month buzzword was "sustainable content" and we ended up with kuva liches, before all the reworks and changes?
Back when you couldnt see what weapon you got and there was no infusion and all that.
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1 hour ago, (XBOX)CatalystCube said:
Combine open worlds, railjack and kuva liches as raids. By doing this we’ll bridge several islands of content together. In the gameplay we’ll see things like us going up from open worlds into railjack and back again, the final battles would take place on the respective factions open world after getting chased out of orbit and could give standing when defeated. Kuva liches will serve as the raid bosses so raids feel much more distinct each time they’re ran, of course the kuva lich system would have to undergo significant changes but i think it’d be worth it, if y’all have any ideas I’d like to hear what you have to say. Railjack segment is there mostly for fun because I think striking down onto the open worlds with orbital strikes and disabling/enabling shield projectors from the ground would be epic especially while working with a team.
I remember when "content island" was a real popular buzzword here in the forums.
And the One True Solution was "Integrated Content"(tm).
And then when people were "forced" to do X content to get a thing to use in Y content turned out people hated that.
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18 hours ago, bancaevasore.it said:
Someone has dropped shivering contagion from the boss fight ? i dropped it but, after, i failed the run...
Can someone say what it does ?
Cold procs from primary can spread to nearby enemies within 6 meters. I havent gotten it yet but sounds like a niche mod BUT might have serious potential for crowd control on sentinel weapons. Especially something like cordon + cold so enemies cant just walk away from it.
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1 hour ago, Zakkhar said:
It kinda does have to be as close to 100% as possible else as you say there are other arcanes you arent using in that slot.
To be fair, its not like i have all the arcanes at rank 5 to compare them to eachother.
But X arcane being better than melee duplicate on X melee weapon might very well be true and thats fine. I'm all for there not being just a single best "you should always be using this one". I threw out duplicate as an example because it seems quite good, at least on paper for a lot of weapons. And whatever arcane is ideal for what i mean garuda still cant use a single one.
But its still kind of an unfortunate oof that Garuda cant. Is it a huge deal? No.
Her talons are still *good*. It would just be nice.
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On 2023-12-14 at 8:15 PM, Revacon said:
I have both of the legendary ones, they work as expected, the melee duplicator only works for yellow crits
Feels bad cause I've done the math and its gonna take someone 2+ years to get enough for 1 max rank one.
Unless they pay out the wazoo from trade chat. Which i think is 100% the point.
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1 hour ago, Yu_Cypher said:
just did a quick run to prove it
https://imgur.com/HWIgCidThe *other* arcanes can absolutely be farmed from that enemy and i believe they can be farmed from the syndicate.
But the two legendary arcanes, can only be gotten from netracell missions.
If you actually get one the drop source literally says "entrati lab".
You can look at the drop tables too. Theyre not listed there.
If you can get either of them from farming the enemy i'll happily eat my words but i doubt you will.
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6 hours ago, Doomyo89 said:
yeah 10 years ago... theres alot people who arent founders giving DE a money via cosmetics bundles jne... just because they arent founders they are in DEs eyes nobody and getting everything last? and you cant just order me to not get upset... its my emotion and i have right to use it..
You can absolutely feel however you want to feel but getting upset isnt gonna change anything.
And letting yourself get pissy in not constructive ways isnt gonna help anything either.
Look, if they gave cross save to founders and then sat on their hands for 6 months for no apparent reason I'd be upset too.
Im not a software engineer and i dont know what DE can and cant do but i do know for a fact that sometimes somebody's account will get buggered in some way or something will glitch or someone will accidently get deleted and the player can send a support ticket to DE and have them undo it.
but that takes time for somebody to manually read the ticket, look into it, and do whatever has to be done.
I dont know how many founders are still around.
but it would be a big enough mess if something went wrong for that subset of people.
It could be a disaster if something went wrong for ALL OF US and not just them, at once.
The stated intention by Rebecca is that the roll out will be days, not weeks not months so i humbly suggest not getting worked up.
5 hours ago, (PSN)Joylesstuna said:Why should there be issues with something they have been working on for years and decided when they will release it? How do you know there "should be issues"? See how stupid that sounds?
I dont know, why do giant multi billion dollar companies like Ford or Chevy or Toyota or GMC screw up and occasionally have to issue recalls to thousands upon thousands of vehicles?
Why did Bungie, a multi billion dollar studio with a way bigger budget than DE who i think was still backed up by a multi billion dollar publisher at the time, have such a bad problem they had to roll back the servers a whole week for the entire player base. TWICE? A week's worth of progress gone for literally the entire community and then the same thing like a week later.
Why do multi billion dollar companies like android or apple or microsoft routinely have software bugs or security vulnerabilities that need to be addressed even if the software has been out for literally years and they've been in the industry for DECADES.
I'll tell you why. Because **** happens.
As for them being the ones to decide when to release it, implying theyre releasing it too soon, my guy, they didnt really release it yet. This is basically still a beta. Because they decided it needed to be tested before going live for everyone that was literally the whole point.
i dont know how many testers they have but you cant compare a closed testing environment with however many people to "going live". Something is gonna get missed or somebody will managed to create a condition that nobody realized was possible before.
On 2023-12-15 at 8:28 PM, (PSN)Joylesstuna said:They have been “cooking” this for years. There shouldn’t be this many issues when they decided to actually launch it. It’s not a good thing basic issues are still creeping up.
Sure in a perfect world there wouldnt be issues but we dont live in a perfect world and here we are.
If i was the CEO of DE id much rather have people get mad about the wait and have it launch reasonably well than cause a train wreck that pisses everyone off far more.
See above too. It aint like DE is the only company to ever have issues. I really dont think its that simple.
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1 minute ago, Daddy.bulbs said:
Hello everyone i wanted to hear your opinion this . We have 2 new arcane's that are as follows "Melee Crescendo" as well as "Melee Duplicate"
First we have "Melee Duplicate" the description says in game UNRANKED: "On base critical Hits: 25% chance for your attack to strike a second time". RANK 5: "On base critical Hits: 100% chance for your attack to strike a second time". Our next arcane is "Melee Crescendo" The description says in the game UNRANKED: "On finisher kill:Gain 1 initial combo for the rest of your mission". RANK 5: "On finisher kill:Gain 6 initial combo for the rest of your mission".
That is our new arcane's!
My question to you all how do you feel that the only way to get these arcane's is to do netracells. For those who do not know netracells can only be ran 5 times per weekly reset!. They only give you 1 item as well per run. The drop chance for either of these new arcane's currently is 5.62%. You are only allowed to try 5 times per week for just a chance at these to obtain them!!! How dose everyone feel about this ? My question to you all how do you feel that the only way to get these arcane's is to do netracells.
My question to D.E "Do you plan on adding more ways to obtain these arcane's an/or do you plan on making them always be 5.62% chance to drop.I cant speak for DE but i think thats gonna come down to how many people complain about it.
Tau shards got their grind adjusted because of the feedback they got.
So far im not sure most people even understand that these are a netracell drop and not something you can farm. "I've been doing (whatever) and havent got one yet!".
They're tradeable. So you can buy them off people if you're willing to pay whatever thr supply/demand equation brings the going rate up to. Which right now is alot but will eventually go down over time.
So at least there is that. And if you dont want to pay whatever price people are charging for them, you can always go farm something else, sell that, then use the plat for these.
But personally im not a huge fan of the way its set up. I wish you could farm them from the "secret fight" or something even if the chances were low.
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1 hour ago, Zakkhar said:
You seem to be highly overvaluating the arcane effect.
It is great on status weapons that have low crit, but if you got a weapon that is crit scaling you are handicapping yourself to go below 101% crit to use the arcane instead of normal crit scaling.
1) thats not the only arcane we have now, and she can use none of them.
Theres multiple viable ways to build garuda's talons, but even if your final modded crit chance was say, 150%, half your hits would be hitting twice and getting to apply more status and build more combo. Thats still a pretty significant jump. Even if the final modded crit chance was 175, that still isnt nothing.
Its not like a weapon HAS TO be 100% cc to get significant use out of it. I think you're both under valuing the effect of that particular arcane along with the others, and ignoring it wouldnt take much for her talons to be surpassed to be begin with because:
2) it isnt like her talon's base stats are far above weapons like venka prime, nikana prime, kronen prime, and whatever else. And those other weapons have access to rivens.
I really dont think garuda's talons can compete with say, venka prime + arcane let alone Arcane + riven.
I dont expect her talons to be THE BEST, but it would be nice if they didnt feel like a handicap to use.
3) while the "no arcanes for exalted weapons" is in line with other things in the game, her claws are not an exalted weapon.
I cant think of a reason they *shouldn't* be allowed to use arcanes.
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50 minutes ago, kamisama85 said:
Take a moment to ask yourself this OP.
It's Friday, and suddenly this happens. And you're one of the people caught up in it.
How special would you have felt then?
You would have been the first one angrier than a Bombastine that just stubbed his toe on a random Shawzin sitting around, complaining that DE should have finished it before releasing it.
Well that's exactly what this is. They are using us as fodder to make sure you're sound as a baby when it comes."Issue with clan handoff".
Thats probably one of the tamest oopsies that could have happened.
If people lost items, inventory, progress, or account functionality, theyd be pissed.
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Just now, (PSN)FirmBizkit said:
Primed Blind Rage 😂
I'll take a primed blunderbuss too
1 minute ago, Hexerin said:Yup, brand new. As shields are actually worth building into now, and there's several frames that are great for it, it's worth picking up. Plus, Hildryn exists of course.
Literally never, because Fleeting Expertise exists.
Hey dont get me wrong, i aint gonna hold my breath lmao. Would probably be under the cagegory of "too good" anyway.
But i still want it.
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2 hours ago, (XBOX)YoungGunn82 said:
Shiiiiiittt… Primed Stretch when, DE?
Primed streamline when?
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32 minutes ago, trst said:
Also this is a very disingenuous take on that topic. Players using the best gear while wanting things to be made more challenging really want the gear they spend all that time and effort getting to matter. After all what is the point of perfecting a build with the arsenal of weapons and abilities we have access to in a mission when all anything in the game requires is one weapon and one ability at best?
If you're suggesting that players who want challenge should be using sub-par gear and mods (and you need to go VERY sub-par to create challenge) then they no longer have reason to engage in new content and the grinds. And while playing for fun is fine it does defeat the point of playing a grind game in the first place.
The first and biggest problem is nobody can ever agree on what "challenging" means.
Bullet sponge enemies? High damage near instant death enemies? Really easy to fail mission objectives?
The next biggest problem is the game would have to be overhauled just to, for example, not let frames like revenant or ivara invalidate higher damage enemies. That kind of thing.
But the "WE WANT CHALLENGE!1!1" crowd always seems to forget or ignore that just because something is "challenging" doesnt automatically make it "better". Not everyone *wants* the game to be that difficult and not everyone is unhappy enough with the game in its current state to justify radical overhauls or nerfs.
Games like Dark Souls arent really that challenging once you understand the mechanics.
Dont even get me started on Destiny style "somebody stepped in the wrong spot 1 second too late so something automatically wipes the whole squad" mechanics. If something F's up i want to at least feel like its not completely out of my hands.
You might think its disingenuous, but i absolutely mean it.
My counter point is why should i bother grinding the best stuff if DE is gonna nerf all the best stuff into the ground and then.. either never release anything better and worth grinding for (because power creep bad) or do so only to invalidate the effort later with more nerfs?
And whats your ideal scenario here?
>they overhaul the game/nerf everything (player investment be damned) and then, the latest grinds to get new stuff come around and we work towards being "op" again only for de to rinse and repeat?
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5 hours ago, Skoomaseller said:
another archon shard acquisition topic, another round of people accusing those bringing it up as "whiny babies who want everything NOW NOW NOW!!!" I don't even understand where this sentiment comes from. We just want to provide feedback. Yes there are genuinely some with those sentiments but I hardly believe it is the overwhelming majority.
"w-well you don't NEED IT!!!!" but it is in the game and serves as an upgrade. It is literally the point of every update. Of course I want it. People complained about energize's rarity over the years and now we have arcane dissolution which, while not a perfect solution, is pretty good. Complaining works... eventually.
Some people want the game to be the best it can be. Not everyone is a demanding baby, and blanketing/dismissing even the slightest criticisms of the various farming systems in game as... petulant demands, is stupid.
Not to mention the Irony of putting yourself on a Maturity Pedestal (tm) and making it out like *everyone else* is a crybaby throwing a temper tantrum, regardless of what they say or how they say it.
"The adults in the room". Pfft. Self awareness be damned apparently.
Im glad DE seemed to not listen to them, though. We know have a tau pity system for the archon hunts despite them railing against it, and we now have a shot at ((potentially)) up to 5 more shards including tau per week although i dont know what the odds are.
Im also glad for the arcane dissolution feature. I already have all the eidolon arcanes (the good ones/ones i care about, grace energize etc), but i always felt like it was a pretty big oof for new players how hard those arcanes are to get compared to the others.
To even have a chance at *one* energize you have to capture the third eidolon, it can only be done at night, most squads wont even want to play with you unless you have specific meta builds, because of the time pressure theres probably more toxicity there than anywhere else in the game, and buying them plat wise is a big ask for newer players when the going rate is 3k+ (on console at least).
They managed to still keep it a rare-feeling thing while making an alternate path available. You could conveivably get it from farming acolytes now, which is a lot less of a pain in the ass and alot more people can do it.
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24 minutes ago, (XBOX)Big Roy 324 said:
Happiness is in the doing. People especially men find enjoyment in the process of achieving.
But at the same time we only really think that the thing we achieved is what made us happy.
So players realize they want an experience. but at the same time forget that hardships and obstacles are what made the experience memorable.
That's at the root of the "community's" problem.
I've said the TLDR of your post multiple times on this forum.
"Challenging content is impossible until the players are willing to let go of their power that invalidates it"
Nobody is forcing the nerf herders to use the best possible gear, rivens, arcanes, mods, etc then turn around and complain the game isnt challenging enough and beg DE to nerf everything.
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7 hours ago, (XBOX)static minor said:
That’s like the fourth date they’ve blown past. Doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence if they’re STILL working on bug fixes the day it was supposed to launch. What have they been doing in the three years since it was announced?
I’m calling it now, it’s not releasing this year.
I want cross save just as bad as anybody but i wouldnt get too riled up about it yet. Id rather have to wait a bit longer, than try and cross save *now* and something janky happens, or it doesnt work at all.
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1 hour ago, (PSN)ToxicReflexes said:
if anyone has it, does it work with red crits or no? because it says base crit so that leads me to believe it doesn't witch would be a real bummer
It only works on base yellow crits from what ive heard and seen, but i don't have it yet.
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44 minutes ago, Birdframe_Prime said:
This is exactly the view point I'm calling into question.
You're literally asking for there not to be a time gate on deliberately and purposefully time gated content.
That is simultaneously beating a dead horse and complete toddler mentality.
You are supposed to experience this content slowly.
Every player that likes more than one frame, be it five, ten, or all fifty five of them, experiences the game at the exact same rate.
That is, to put it simply, absolutely fair. Because the rewards are the same for every player, whether we have the patience for a time gate or not.
Since every player is time gated, then it doesn't matter what your play style is, it's fair to all players. Some players will stop engaging with the system sooner than others. Ones that engage in the system long enough for only one or two frames are not inherently at an advantage over players that engage long enough for fifty frames, they're just lazier, or content not to push out of their comfort zone, or both.
They don't get any more, or any less, power than you do out of this. If they only max out two frames, that's them limiting themselves, not you being limited by the game.
You want the power this system offers for all of the frames you like? You wait and you play the missions. Same as everyone else. This isn't 'punishing' you by making you take the required amount of time to get the things you want.
Things don't have to be time gated, but there is a stated and deliberate reason why they are. And repeating that they 'shouldn't' is just sitting on the floor having a tantrum.
In point of fact, DE have already implemented a new system to allow more Archon Shards to be earned in a week. Notably, it's still slow. And it requires similar time investment to getting the base two that we were able to get before.
So go do it. You got what you wanted, what are you still complaining about?
But one more point:
Heh, would that it were so clear cut.
What we have here is a case of the 'gimme now' and everyone else pointing out to them that shouting about it means absolutely nothing.
We basically just want the toddlers to stop crying, because DE aren't even listening.
Time gates aren't the best mechanic around, but they do what the developers intend: Force players to come back week on week if they want the new shiny thing. That's all that time gates are and all they ever have been. Warframe is built on them, you have to wait for nearly everything, and paying Plat to skip some things doesn't actually fix most of the time gates in the game.
A free-to-play game is literally monetised by having players stay in the game, and keep coming back to it, long enough to convince them to pay.
We know that's how this works, so do you, and DE definitely do as well. Because they even allowed non-paying players to trade Plat away from the paying players, which gets the paying players to go pay for more.
And that's also why so many time gates aren't skippable. Daily Standing, resource grinds, Mastery Rank tests being day-gated, Nightwave weekly/daily acts.
DE wants to keep us coming back. It doesn't matter if it's only for twenty minutes per session, or an hour or two on the weekend, or grinding non stop for days.
All they want is to have us come back, for the paying players to be tempted to pay more, and for the non-paying players to drain the currency from the ones that did already pay.
So with that said...
We just want to talk a bit of sense into the other players. DE won't ever get rid of these time gates, because they serve their purpose. Whether any of us like them or not. The adults in the room are largely just tired, and want there to be a little peace.
"The adults in the room". Yeah we're done here.
I think the adult thing to do would be to realize you're not here for a reasonable, friendly conversation. You're here to be snarky and condescending about something you seem to have strong feelings about. (This isnt about logic anymore. Good day sir.
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There is no friendly fire in this game and there is no self damage.
Therefore pew pew safety is canonically not a thing in the warframe universe 🫡