CraithWF Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Using the stats from the wiki, the Strun Wraith does 406 dmg per second / 1300 dmg per magazine, while the Boar Prime does 522 dmg per second / 1350 dmg per magazine (undmodded, crits included) the Boar benefits more from crit chance and crit damage mods than the Strun Wraith, the Strun Wraith has a faster reload time and is more ammo efficient. looks good for me so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmthebigman Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 same was with the snipers. dont nerf it further it already got tweaked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix86 Posted September 17, 2013 Author Share Posted September 17, 2013 Using the stats from the wiki, the Strun Wraith does 406 dmg per second / 1300 dmg per magazine, while the Boar Prime does 522 dmg per second / 1350 dmg per magazine (undmodded, crits included) the Boar benefits more from crit chance and crit damage mods than the Strun Wraith, the Strun Wraith has a faster reload time and is more ammo efficient. looks good for me so far. 8 ammo vs 15 ammo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MECT_HET Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Boar prime: damage = 72 raw spike dps = 417 (w/o crits) Stun wraith: damage = 190 raw spike dps = 475 Remembering about falloff distance, that's pretty fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix86 Posted September 17, 2013 Author Share Posted September 17, 2013 Boar prime: damage = 72 raw spike dps = 417 (w/o crits) Stun wraith: damage = 190 raw spike dps = 475 Remembering about falloff distance, that's pretty fair. Actually Boar has lower range than Strun, shall you post the calculations from where those numbers come out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avenger5 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 The Boar Prime seems alright. It should have had a polarity IMO, especially since forma is apparently no longer obtainable from void missions. Now I wish shotguns had a pierce mod as good as Shred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amistyrja Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 On second thought, I can't stand how ugly the Strun Wraith looks. Gonna go give the Boar Prime a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasmir Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) Actually Boar has lower range than Strun, shall you post the calculations from where those numbers come out? And the Boar prime has Higher critical chacne and critical damage also more RoF plz check the whole stats. Now if DE CHANGES THE UTTERLY BAD CRITICAL MODS FOR SHOTGUNS will be a bless. Edited September 17, 2013 by Dasmir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NalkorRN Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 the only weapon with all 3 versions is the braton, and the braton prime is better than the vandal...?Yeah, and the people who bought the Braton Vandal back in closed beta were super pissed about this then and some still are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyKnight Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Boar prime has the lowest damage of any shotgun and it doesn't change the fact that only has 120 rounds so full auto is worthless. I do not even care to farm it in the first place and If I ever happened to get the parts for it I would get it to 30 then sell it. I hope the people that were screaming for worthless side-grades are happy because that is one worthless gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp4rtan148 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Strun wraith need to be looked at like a sick dog, then put down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyKnight Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) Strun wraith need to be looked at like a sick dog, then put down. With both critical mods that is an effective base of 153 and 5.4 unmodified fire rate on boar prime. Boar has higher DPS than wraith does, but good luck getting enough ammo for it with ammo packs removed. Edited September 17, 2013 by LazyKnight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidflow Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I just sold my strun wrth because of the look. A chunky can with some red color on it. Ugly as hell. btw strunwrth should be a bit better strun in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killchamp Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Good luck with that. People generally are under the impression that event-exclusive reward items should always be better than regular items, and think that it actually helps in making people keep playing instead of chasing new players away. Have fun with your Boar Prime, I'll enjoy my Strun Wraith and wave it in front of every newbie while sneering about my damage. and you are why people don't like online games. don't be a jerk just because you have an awesome gun, i have it too but i don't brag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malaheart Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Three words. Nothing is balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amistyrja Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 and you are why people don't like online games. don't be a jerk just because you have an awesome gun, i have it too but i don't brag. I was kidding... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottFaust Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Lets do a numerical comparison. They're both crit-based guns so I'll be using the following build: Accelerated Blast Blaze Blunderbuss Flechette Hell's Chamber Point Blank Ravage Shotgun Spazz Now to the meat: Strun Wraith DPS :: 15982.155 Burst DPS :: 34711.242 Full Data: Name :: Strun Wraith Magazine Size :: 8 Total Ammo :: 128 Crit Chance :: 38% Crit Damage Multiplier :: 288% Fire Rate :: 6.25 rounds per second Reload Time :: 1.5 seconds Damage :: 3239.5 Damage Shields :: 3239.5 Damage Corpus :: 3239.5 Damage Grineer :: 4859.25 Damage Infested :: 3866.5 Crit Damage :: 9329.76 Crit Damage to Shields :: 9329.76 Crit Damage to Corpus :: 9329.76 Crit Damage to Grineer :: 13994.64 Crit Damage to Infested :: 11135.52 Average Damage :: 5553.799 Average Damage to Shields :: 5553.799 Average Damage to Corpus :: 5553.799 Average Damage to Grineer :: 8330.698 Average Damage to Infested :: 6628.728 Damage per Mag :: 44430.39 Damage per Mag to Shields :: 44430.39 Damage per Mag to Corpus :: 44430.39 Damage per Mag to Grineer :: 66645.586 Damage per Mag to Infested :: 53029.821 DPS :: 15982.155 DPS to Shields :: 15982.155 DPS to Corpus :: 15982.155 DPS to Grineer :: 23973.232 DPS to Infested :: 19075.475 Burst DPS :: 34711.242 Burst DPS to Shields :: 34711.242 Burst DPS to Corpus :: 34711.242 Burst DPS to Grineer :: 52066.864 Burst DPS to Infested :: 41429.548 Boar Prime DPS :: 11293.095 Burst DPS :: 36401.409 Full Data: Name :: Boar Prime Magazine Size :: 15 Total Ammo :: 135 Crit Chance :: 47.5% Crit Damage Multiplier :: 320% Fire Rate :: 14.5 rounds per second Reload Time :: 2.3 seconds Damage :: 1227.6 Damage Shields :: 1227.6 Damage Corpus :: 1227.6 Damage Grineer :: 1841.4 Damage Infested :: 1465.2 Crit Damage :: 3928.32 Crit Damage to Shields :: 3928.32 Crit Damage to Corpus :: 3928.32 Crit Damage to Grineer :: 5892.48 Crit Damage to Infested :: 4688.64 Average Damage :: 2510.442 Average Damage to Shields :: 2510.442 Average Damage to Corpus :: 2510.442 Average Damage to Grineer :: 3765.663 Average Damage to Infested :: 2996.334 Damage per Mag :: 37656.63 Damage per Mag to Shields :: 37656.63 Damage per Mag to Corpus :: 37656.63 Damage per Mag to Grineer :: 56484.945 Damage per Mag to Infested :: 44945.01 DPS :: 11293.095 DPS to Shields :: 11293.095 DPS to Corpus :: 11293.095 DPS to Grineer :: 16939.642 DPS to Infested :: 13478.855 Burst DPS :: 36401.409 Burst DPS to Shields :: 36401.409 Burst DPS to Corpus :: 36401.409 Burst DPS to Grineer :: 54602.114 Burst DPS to Infested :: 43446.843 As you can see they aren't that far off, and the Boar Prime actually has better burst DPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cestus Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) -snip- As you can see they aren't that far off, and the Boar Prime actually has better burst DPS. And in spite of this, people ignore the the Boar's good points. Edited September 17, 2013 by Cestus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaF0rce Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Lets do a numerical comparison. They're both crit-based guns so I'll be using the following build: Accelerated Blast Blaze Blunderbuss Flechette Hell's Chamber Point Blank Ravage Shotgun Spazz Now to the meat:Strun Wraith DPS :: 15982.155 Burst DPS :: 34711.242 Full Data: Name :: Strun Wraith Magazine Size :: 8 Total Ammo :: 128 Crit Chance :: 38% Crit Damage Multiplier :: 288% Fire Rate :: 6.25 rounds per second Reload Time :: 1.5 seconds Damage :: 3239.5 Damage Shields :: 3239.5 Damage Corpus :: 3239.5 Damage Grineer :: 4859.25 Damage Infested :: 3866.5 Crit Damage :: 9329.76 Crit Damage to Shields :: 9329.76 Crit Damage to Corpus :: 9329.76 Crit Damage to Grineer :: 13994.64 Crit Damage to Infested :: 11135.52 Average Damage :: 5553.799 Average Damage to Shields :: 5553.799 Average Damage to Corpus :: 5553.799 Average Damage to Grineer :: 8330.698 Average Damage to Infested :: 6628.728 Damage per Mag :: 44430.39 Damage per Mag to Shields :: 44430.39 Damage per Mag to Corpus :: 44430.39 Damage per Mag to Grineer :: 66645.586 Damage per Mag to Infested :: 53029.821 DPS :: 15982.155 DPS to Shields :: 15982.155 DPS to Corpus :: 15982.155 DPS to Grineer :: 23973.232 DPS to Infested :: 19075.475 Burst DPS :: 34711.242 Burst DPS to Shields :: 34711.242 Burst DPS to Corpus :: 34711.242 Burst DPS to Grineer :: 52066.864 Burst DPS to Infested :: 41429.548 Boar Prime DPS :: 11293.095 Burst DPS :: 36401.409 Full Data: Name :: Boar Prime Magazine Size :: 15 Total Ammo :: 135 Crit Chance :: 47.5% Crit Damage Multiplier :: 320% Fire Rate :: 14.5 rounds per second Reload Time :: 2.3 seconds Damage :: 1227.6 Damage Shields :: 1227.6 Damage Corpus :: 1227.6 Damage Grineer :: 1841.4 Damage Infested :: 1465.2 Crit Damage :: 3928.32 Crit Damage to Shields :: 3928.32 Crit Damage to Corpus :: 3928.32 Crit Damage to Grineer :: 5892.48 Crit Damage to Infested :: 4688.64 Average Damage :: 2510.442 Average Damage to Shields :: 2510.442 Average Damage to Corpus :: 2510.442 Average Damage to Grineer :: 3765.663 Average Damage to Infested :: 2996.334 Damage per Mag :: 37656.63 Damage per Mag to Shields :: 37656.63 Damage per Mag to Corpus :: 37656.63 Damage per Mag to Grineer :: 56484.945 Damage per Mag to Infested :: 44945.01 DPS :: 11293.095 DPS to Shields :: 11293.095 DPS to Corpus :: 11293.095 DPS to Grineer :: 16939.642 DPS to Infested :: 13478.855 Burst DPS :: 36401.409 Burst DPS to Shields :: 36401.409 Burst DPS to Corpus :: 36401.409 Burst DPS to Grineer :: 54602.114 Burst DPS to Infested :: 43446.843 As you can see they aren't that far off, and the Boar Prime actually has better burst DPS. Crit damage multiplier for Strun Wraith is 280, not 288% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottFaust Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) Crit damage multiplier for Strun Wraith is 280, not 288%No, the base is 180. Add in the 60% gain from Ravage and you get 180 + (180 * 0.6) = 288. Edited September 18, 2013 by GottFaust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MECT_HET Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Actually Boar has lower range than Strun, shall you post the calculations from where those numbers come out? Not sure about range, however, won't argue about it. And calculations...y'know taking damage, taking rof and multiplying them together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NalkorRN Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 One thing to consider is that the Strun Wraith is semi-automatic and subject to laggy hosts. The Boar Prime will always function with or without a crappy host in that manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgb_cyborg Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Pretty much. Never understood the logic behind it; I think Event Exclusives should be cosmetic and cosmetic alone. *prepares to be flamed* This guy. I accept Braton Vandal type sidegrades but purely cosmetic exclusives is a wayyyyyyyyy better approach. Boar Prime has no bearing on this truth: purely cosmetic event exclusives are the good S#&$. Less power creep, more balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amistyrja Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 This guy. I accept Braton Vandal type sidegrades but purely cosmetic exclusives is a wayyyyyyyyy better approach. Boar Prime has no bearing on this truth: purely cosmetic event exclusives are the good S#&$. Less power creep, more balance. If that were the case, a handful of players prefer to think that this gives the players no motivation to do events. I'm not sure about that, I'm up for any event that gives me something shiny, and I'm sure many other players are too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyKnight Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) If that were the case, a handful of players prefer to think that this gives the players no motivation to do events. I'm not sure about that, I'm up for any event that gives me something shiny, and I'm sure many other players are too. I would skip 99% of events that gave side grades, they just do not interest me in the least. If DE wants to make weapon skin they should just be added to the market place. Side-grades in his type of game lead to horrible stagnation and without the PVE progression this game has nothing at all to stand on. They copied far too much from games like diablo to ever do the side-grade method. If they try to pull it here people will quit because there is no end-game or point and only a tiny fraction of the diehard played base will remain. They copied Phantasy star whether they knew It or not and they can't stop making new endgame, I just hope they manage it properly. Edited September 18, 2013 by LazyKnight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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