Brimir Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) The Mutagen Samples. Livestream just confirmed that they are supposed to only drop in Derelicts. Then let me ask this: What is the point of Infested elsewhere? You talked about expanding on the lore: how are the non-Derelict Infested different in that they don't drop samples of the very mutagen that mutated them? These missions are not worth doing at all now, except to complete "the map", with a few exceptions like Xini. Are you gonna lower the Mutagen Mass requirement for the Infested research items? Because in the face of this nerf (yes it is a blatant nerf, don't excuse it as anything else) to Mutagen Samples they are quite frankly ludicrious. Edited September 18, 2013 by Brimir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manelag Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) I can't agree more, usually i try to always play "Devil's Advocate" but this is just way beyond my comprehension. Why can we farm the other clan resources but not the Mutagen Samples? It makes no god damn sense, this is forcing players to grind for keys, so they can grind for Mutagen Samples. This boggles my mind, i just.. i don't even.. what? Edited September 18, 2013 by Manelag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkacikPLz Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Farm gate policy. You'd better spend your precious plat or submit life of you and your firstborn to the eternal grind fest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brimir Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 To add insult to injury, I can't quite shake how nonchalant they answered the question about it! :c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siekier Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 First they declare that mutagen mass dropping only in orokin derelict was not intended and it was a bug, soon to be fixed. And now this. Anyone else just got the feeling that they don't give a f*ck about feedback? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brimir Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) I'm just sitting here, crossing my fingers that they will at least talk about the redonkulous costs/research requirements. Edited September 18, 2013 by Brimir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manelag Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I'm just sitting here, crossing my fingers that they will at least talk about the redonkulous costs/research requirements. They might or they might not, this situation is currently very very delicate. Just sit back and wait, until then take your Chocolate Chip Ice-Cream Eat it & cry into your pillows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brimir Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 They might or they might not, this situation is currently very very delicate. Just sit back and wait, until then take your Chocolate Chip Ice-Cream Eat it & cry into your pillows. I'm not a little pink-panties-tea-party-little-girl. I am man. I run to the hills and weep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedPharaoh0817 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Bottle The Rage man... hahaha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brimir Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 Bottle The Rage man... hahaha! I'll bottle it and pelt his house with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylia Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Really? Seriously? *sigh* Apparently I'm never going to make these weapons because of the ridiculous farming it will take to get enough for them. Thank God I had my Acrid made before this ridiculously stupid change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brimir Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 Thank God I had my Acrid made before this ridiculously stupid change. The final nails in the hilarity coffin is a. Acrid will, most likely, still be way better than any of these new weapons b. It is much, muuuuuch cheaper to make in terms of time/materials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedPharaoh0817 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Really? Seriously? *sigh* Apparently I'm never going to make these weapons because of the ridiculous farming it will take to get enough for them. Thank God I had my Acrid made before this ridiculously stupid change. the new bio clan tech weapons are getting buffs according to Scott... there stats will be appropriate to their costs... at least thats what scott sez... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KriLL3 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I think the main problem that they touched on during stream is that devs generally don't have to grind for anything, and their play testers might not have to either, and if they do their input might not get enough weight. This means costs/grind progressions can be completely unreasonable, specially if one part of the dev team sets the costs and another changes how you get them, these mutagen costs would be a lot more reasonable if mutagens didn't only drop in derelicts anymore. And frankly infested outside of derelicts dropping fieldrons is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brimir Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 And frankly infested outside of derelicts dropping fieldrons is stupid. Amen brother. It will be interesting to see how they manage to get around this dousy in the new lore they've got coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustDont Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 This reminds me of some "best" korean MMO grinds. Farm X of item Y to make item Z which enables you to take a shot on farming item K, and L of those are needed to make item M, which in turn enables you to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manelag Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 This makes me think when they are going to put the Fieldrons and Detonites behind Keys, so that we can grind even more for your precious clan weapons. All of this is so wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylia Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 the new bio clan tech weapons are getting buffs according to Scott... there stats will be appropriate to their costs... at least thats what scott sez... I don't care if the Embolist is Acrid-levels of powerful, I have the Soma, I have the Strun Wraith, I have the Acrid, the Twin Gremlins and Despair are also pretty good. I just can't justify grinding for weeks+ to get 1 pistol or gun. I might eventually scrape together the samples for an item while helping people get Nekros or something and I might consider putting one together, but otherwise... *shrug* I lost interest in that weaponry when I found out how ridiculous the costs are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiceDead Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 It's ridiculous. Nough' said from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jugganatha Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 This reminds me of some "best" korean MMO grinds. Farm X of item Y to make item Z which enables you to take a shot on farming item K, and L of those are needed to make item M, which in turn enables you to... The train just doesn't stop, does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RahuHordika Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) Amen brother. It will be interesting to see how they manage to get around this dousy in the new lore they've got coming. At least other planets have a race variety, but Eris is literally the ONLY one that is infested and just that. It indeed does not make any sense. Edited September 18, 2013 by RahuStalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrokenDown Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Until they change it back to what it was or make it where the derelict drops like 10 or 20 of them a run, I've just plain out given up. The prices are WAY to steep regardless of how good the weapons are. I'm not going to farm for map cord's only to then farm for mutagen samples, which will take me what like a week to get 10 mass'es? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casardis Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) They said in a previous livestream that the armor system was "working as intended." However, with enough voice giving feedback as to why it shouldn't be this way, DE did reconsider their actions. People can be stubborn sometimes, for the better or worse, and when it's for the worse on the developers' side, we, as players, need to keep voicing this. So, unlike some who will just simply bash at DE, let's keep the voice very loud, but clear, I'm positive such feedback will make them see reason in this and give us back the mutagen samples on Eris at least. Edited September 18, 2013 by Casardis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brimir Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 Until they change it back to what it was or make it where the derelict drops like 10 or 20 of them a run, I've just plain out given up. The prices are WAY to steep regardless of how good the weapons are. I'm not going to farm for map cord's only to then farm for mutagen samples, which will take me what like a week to get 10 mass'es? Don't forget that the grinding time is just half of the equation. Each of the Mutagen Mass comes with a 12h build time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KriLL3 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) OD Def to wave 30 gives you 30*4 or so mutagens btw, best source I know off. Edited September 18, 2013 by KriLL3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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