Loki needs a rework

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26 minutes ago, Avienas said:

The idea is that it would be firing non-damaging projectiles

okay. makes more sense.

27 minutes ago, Avienas said:

Loki is still going to be part of the same crew of warframes that have 2 or even 3 abilties which you might as well never use ever

it honestly might as well just perma stick enemies in a frozen status with a fixed duration and just straight up strip enemy armor, similar to mag`s magnetize and what not

when has that ever been true about Loki. if you're going to say "well our Stats are so high thesedays that we don't care about the Damage that Enemies deal so no need to use Disarm" - well, okay. but that puts a lot of Abilities, even popular ones, into a Category of saying they have no purpose.

what? Magnetize does literally none of the things that you said just there.

29 minutes ago, Avienas said:

Gauss is still part of the meme frame pile, he appeals to certain people, but most of his kit is not that impressive and some of it is kind of useless in closed areas, except those who try to intentionally make it work, but end up wasting a bunch of time doing so, while everyone else is already at extraction, playing the shazwin.

If you need a fast frame with utility, you could just honestly use Volt for better control or even just run a Loki and let his glorious high base sprint speed help him teach this generation how the old farts raced thru the solar maps back in the day.~

this shows you don't know what you're talking about. Gauss is well setup to ignore most Enemies via invulnerability, move quickly, and mapwipe with AoE Damage.
Volt can do that minus the invulnerability IF the Enemies are grouped up, and Loki is not suited to do those things at all.
Volt is faster over long distances, sure - but your point of contention was confined spaces anyways.

[Travis05]

Lets see. Here i see a lot of personal opinion but no facts. You say he is outdated...very subjective and no concrete reasons. You say ivara does the job better. Again subjective and no proof of that. For example i do all spy missions with loki and i have 0 issues. How is Ivara better? She does them faster or something? You feel more comfortable using her? One more time subjective, since i am perfectly comfortable using loki.

About the changes you propose:

Passive: I agree is pretty useless. But again most passives are useless in this game. It could be changed yeah, i think everything could be better than his current passive. But its no...a pressing issue. Its no like i need a passive for him to work well. For example: Mag passive. Mag pulls nearby Pickups towards her when Bullet Jumping. I need this passive? No. It means Mag is a bad frame for having it? No. its just a fancy add. Same with Loki.

Decoy: You want the decoy to be permanent? why? how much time you need to distract the enemies? How much time you need to kill them while they are distracted? But i agree the decoy should be stronger. Currently it feels a bit weak and get killed easily. But most times i use this ability to teleport. And it is cheap, low energy cost. For these two reasons, again the change you propose is no a pressing issue. I can spam decoy on the battlefield, i dont need it to be permanent. And like i said mostly i use it to teleport.

Invisibility: Again it doesnt need a lot of energy. I maximized duration too, so i can stay invisible for quite a while. Once you enter a spy mission you need to use it like...two times in each room. If you use untraceable in your parazon maybe you only need to use this ability once in the hacking room. I would say is pretty comfy to use

Switch teleport: The description says switching positions with an enemy will cause it to become confused for a brief duration. The enemy will not attack until it reorients itself. Well, i guess if you have a tough enemy and need to stun him for a while it can come handy, but i almost never use the ability for this reason. The reason i use this is fast travel. The enemies are reaching the defense objective and im too far? I switch places and i can defend the objective. I want to pass laser barriers? I use decoy and teleport. Kinda useful i would say. Idk why you have the need to use a normal teleport....again decoys are kinda cheap.

Radial disarm: Pretty good. Its no a nuke. Why you need damage? I dont use this for damage. Might as well remove the impact damage too. The only thing i want to accomplish is to disarm the enemies in a wide area, and it does the job perfectly. It cripples the enemies, they lost their guns and have to use their small melee weapons. I would say is neat.

So the only points where i agree are about his passive and about decoy. But its no a big problem. Its no like he needs a rework. Maybe some minor changes

 

 

[Unimira]

Loki is great, please don't make DE ruin it  😞

[(PSN)Captain_Bonecold]

9 hours ago, Unimira said:

Loki is great, please don't make DE ruin it  😞

Loki needs a rework. Either my idea or Avienas idea. Avienas idea sounds more fun.

Edited April 29, 2020 by (PS4)Captain_Bonecold

[Unimira]

2 hours ago, (PS4)Captain_Bonecold said:

Loki needs a rework. Either my idea or Avienas idea. Avienas idea sounds more fun.

Guess we can agree to disagree on this issue, the only useless thing about Loki is the passive.

1. Decoy is badly named, it sucks as a decoy (pops in 1-2 hits) but as a target for switch teleport it's very useful.

2. Invisibility is best stealth in game, has over 30 second duration with mods and doesn't limit movement in any way. Ivaras Prowl has too many drawback if you value speed and toggled abilities suck since they disable most types of energy regen.

3. Switch teleport can be used to move ally targets, very useful for moving Sortie defense target and escorted drone in Plains (has augment that also makes target immune for a whille, mods extends this duration). Synergy with Decoy makes it extra useful.

4. Radial Disarm is probably the least useful ability for my play style, enemies aren't an issue since I'm invisible all the time but it can be used to support other players (or annoy Mesas).

I can't imagine DE doing anything to Loki without wrecking it (Banshee and Ember comes to mind), it's my second most used frame after the starting prime so nerfs will hit hard this time -.-;

[(PSN)xstatic900]

On 2020-04-28 at 11:08 PM, Unimira said:

4. Radial Disarm is probably the least useful ability for my play style, enemies aren't an issue since I'm invisible all the time but it can be used to support other players (or annoy Mesas).

and with the augment, its one of the best CCs in the game.

 

On 2020-04-28 at 11:08 PM, Unimira said:

I can't imagine DE doing anything to Loki without wrecking it (Banshee and Ember comes to mind), it's my second most used frame after the starting prime so nerfs will hit hard this time -.-;

I miss the old Saryn before the rework.  And when they changed limbo to make him more group friendly and braindead simple to play, they cut the duration on his CC so much he became annoying to play.