A Closer Look At The Zanuka

[FrothingLoins]

Look up what cauterization is, burn flesh at high enough heats the stumps will be burnt to a crisp and blood won't be able to pour out.

You are missing the most important detail here.

 

Profit.

 

Why would Alad Vi kill MILITARIZED Tenno? These are soldiers he is capturing! Trained operatives with some knowledge of Tenno methods and technology. The Corpus WOULD NOT throw that kind of resource away through vindictive murder.

[Rettycombine]

Exactly! You just supported my points.

 

Here's how the process goes: Warframe /Tenno is presented to the bidders. ----> Opening bid is made. ---> "Freezing process" (which I am CONFIDENT is teleportation of the valuable, living tenno elsewhere)--> Bidding ends---> Disassembly of empty suit. It makes perfect sense and is completely in line with the methodical, business oriented protocol of the Corpus.

If it was a teleporter, why is it built like that? if it teleports as soon as the barrier touches the tenno, they would arrive in their prison cell in thin slices.

[Arlayn]

Exactly! You just supported my points.

 

Here's how the process goes: Warframe /Tenno is presented to the bidders. ----> Opening bid is made. ---> "Freezing process" (which I am CONFIDENT is teleportation of the valuable, living tenno elsewhere)--> Bidding ends---> Disassembly of empty suit. It makes perfect sense and is completely in line with the methodical, business oriented protocol of the Corpus.

If it is why was Mag still in it?

[EagleRise]

stop being dense ><
Alad kills Tenno, why? he has not use for them.
only the Tenno can use the warframes, but now he found a way to utilize warframes on his own.

Mag is in the warframe, the cutting beams were operational while she was inside, she was almost sliced but freed at the last moment thanks to Volt's overload that killed the device.
Alad kills Tenno.

[Sidathe]

Sub-text man, look at the sub-text!

 

The video opens with a stationary Excalibur who is quickly disassembled. There is no blood, or meat, greedy milk,  or any indication that the suit is more than an empty shell. Then we have Salad talking to the Mentlegen and starting up the auction. Salad wishes the Mentlegen luck with their bidding and goes to lavish in victory for a bit by taunting the Mag. A scanning device pops up and flits over the Mag with energy that indicates teleportation technology according to pretty much every sci-fi trope.

 

Why would Salad damage merchandise prior to the auction? We don't  know if the bidding is for the next Zanuka off the production line or for the Tenno inside!  I highly doubt Salad is just executing captured Tenno. They must be sent somewhere else, it'd be a waste of profitability to just kill valuable prisoners. If you look at the fact that the Zanuka project is clearly still in prototype form ( Salad says it himself), the only logical conclusion is that the auctions are for the Tenno inside! 

Cauterization - Something to keep the blood from spewing everywhere by burning the wounds shut. Which would be done by a really hot substance, which Alad would probably use to carve through the warframes. Probably just to use our parts for the Zanuka project, general research, and reasons that must not be spoken as they involve bedrooms.

 

 

You are missing the most important detail here.

 

Profit.

 

Why would Alad Vi kill MILITARIZED Tenno? These are soldiers he is capturing! Trained operatives with some knowledge of Tenno methods and technology. The Corpus WOULD NOT throw that kind of resource away through vindictive murder.

They are quite religious...or something to that effect. Either way, faith can be used to let you do some horrifying things. Especially if you believe you're in the right.

Edited November 13, 2013 by Sidathe

[KF5AQX]

I supported the Corpus, but even I admit that you are a raging fanboy who thinks the sun shines out of Alad's &amp;#&#33;.

 

He kills Tenno. We enabled him to do so. Stop living in a fantasy.

[Rettycombine]

You are missing the most important detail here.

 

Profit.

 

Why would Alad Vi kill MILITARIZED Tenno? These are soldiers he is capturing! Trained operatives with some knowledge of Tenno methods and technology. The Corpus WOULD NOT throw that kind of resource away through vindictive murder.

To respond to the points you made about the teleportation not being instant, literally a few seconds before mag is released the rings of fiery death are already planning to slice her into pieces.

[Arlayn]

You are missing the most important detail here.

 

Profit.

 

Why would Alad Vi kill MILITARIZED Tenno? These are soldiers he is capturing! Trained operatives with some knowledge of Tenno methods and technology. The Corpus WOULD NOT throw that kind of resource away through vindictive murder.

yeah they would kill them... Tenno don't talk...  You cannot break a Tenno to tell you enemy secrets. Otherwise the Corpus would be wearing a warframe by now.

[FrothingLoins]

All of you please read this.

Alad Vi has captured two valuable resources. He has captured intact Warframes and militarized, field trained Tenno.

 

Teleportation obviously takes time. That is why Alad has time to carry out the auctions to ensure maximum profitability. Harvesting the captured Warframes immediately would waste the valuable second resource inside: the captured tenno.

 

As for your cauterization point: 100% valid but non-applicable. If the captured tenno inside were not valid Alad Vi would have an entire factory of lasers harvesting captured Warframes as swiftly as possibe to ensure he had timely access to the required stock of captured Warframes. They are obviously being teleported and that process has a ramp-up time, during which they are held in stasis to ensure proper data capture from the scans.

[Pancakes]

Except there is nothing to suggest that the Tenno inside is ever teleported. In fact, everything suggests just the opposite. You're reading into the trailer way too much and seeing things that just aren't there.

What makes the Tenno inside of the warframe valuable? Clearly the bidding is for warframe parts, which are EXTREMELY valuable. Why warframe parts rather than a whole warframe? Alad V. needs more parts for his Zanuka project, so might as well make a ton of money selling the parts he doesn't need.

If you pay attention to the video, Mag is left in the same state that we see Excalibur in the beginning of the video. This doesn't suggest teleportation at all (idk how you're "confident" about that). This just suggests that the energy field that passes through her acts to paralyze her in some way, in order to be cut cleanly.

 

As mentioned before, the reason why there is no blood is because of cauterization, as suggested by the machine, as it looks like it's searing. All of this compounded by the fact that Mag was able to get out of the machine after the machine was broken only supports this argument, leaving you trying to find ways around it, such as your claim that "getting the tenno out of the suit takes time".

 

Towards the end of the video, we see the glowing rings around Mags parts, suggesting that it is about to be cut up by the machine. If Alad V. is only cutting up the warframe after the Tenno inside is teleported, why do the rings show up to cut it before Mag is teleported?

 

The trailer is pretty cut and dry. There may be a few surprises later down the line, but what Alad V. is trying to do with the warframes he got is clear. 

[FrothingLoins]

I supported the Corpus, but even I admit that you are a raging fanboy who thinks the sun shines out of Alad's &amp;#&#33;.

 

He kills Tenno. We enabled him to do so. Stop living in a fantasy.

I blatantly stated I supported the Grineer. The Tenno are killed eventually. They are not killed during the Warframe disassembly process. It doesn't make sense that the Corpus would waste something so valuable. Please get out of my thread now since you lack the ability to fully comperehend written statements.

 

yeah they would kill them... Tenno don't talk...  You cannot break a Tenno to tell you enemy secrets. Otherwise the Corpus would be wearing a warframe by now.

Then why are their rescue missions with captured Tenno? If they weren't valuable they would be killed on capture!

[TheWackyWombat]

stop being dense ><

Alad kills Tenno, why? he has not use for them.

only the Tenno can use the warframes, but now he found a way to utilize warframes on his own.

Mag is in the warframe, the cutting beams were operational while she was inside, she was almost sliced but freed at the last moment thanks to Volt's overload that killed the device.

Alad kills Tenno.

 

Has he? Are you sure? I still belive the 'Components' Alad needs for his project aren't warframes, but the tenno themselves. His pet may be quadrapedal, but it has a VERY humanoid shape. In addition, if you look at the Berzerker concept art you can see the legs have been heavily modified and resemble the legs of the dog. Finally, as you've mentioned, only Tenno can use warframes and their abilities.

 

I'm convinced his project involves capturing and heavily modifying Tenno for the corpus to control. What better weapon to fight the Tenno then one of their own?

 

EDIT :: Note for everyone to think on. If Alad V doesn't need Tenno alive then why bother capturing them that way? or waking them up at all? Killing them inside the Cryo pod seems a lot safer then taking them alive (as we've clearly seen)

Edited November 13, 2013 by TheWackyWombat

[EagleRise]

All of you please read this.

Alad Vi has captured two valuable resources. He has captured intact Warframes and militarized, field trained Tenno.

 

Teleportation obviously takes time. That is why Alad has time to carry out the auctions to ensure maximum profitability. Harvesting the captured Warframes immediately would waste the valuable second resource inside: the captured tenno.

 

As for your cauterization point: 100% valid but non-applicable. If the captured tenno inside were not valid Alad Vi would have an entire factory of lasers harvesting captured Warframes as swiftly as possibe to ensure he had timely access to the required stock of captured Warframes. They are obviously being teleported and that process has a ramp-up time, during which they are held in stasis to ensure proper data capture from the scans.

a factory is only logical if he has the resources and founds, he lack both, he have only a few warframes and no founds from the higher-ups in the Corpus government.

the Tenno are nothing for him, they wont talk, they wont tell any secrets, they wont train his army, they wont break under torture,  slicing them and then analyzing whats-ever inside is the only use for them.

Face it man, Alad kills Tenno, its not like he is the only one that dose it, pretty much every one kill/try to kill Tenno.

as much as its hard to deal with, we have a dead Excal on our hands.

[FrothingLoins]

Except there is nothing to suggest that the Tenno inside is ever teleported. In fact, everything suggests just the opposite. You're reading into the trailer way too much and seeing things that just aren't there.

What makes the Tenno inside of the warframe valuable? Clearly the bidding is for warframe parts, which are EXTREMELY valuable. Why warframe parts rather than a whole warframe? Alad V. needs more parts for his Zanuka project, so might as well make a ton of money selling the parts he doesn't need.

If you pay attention to the video, Mag is left in the same state that we see Excalibur in the beginning of the video. This doesn't suggest teleportation at all (idk how you're "confident" about that). This just suggests that the energy field that passes through her acts to paralyze her in some way, in order to be cut cleanly.

 

As mentioned before, the reason why there is no blood is because of cauterization, as suggested by the machine, as it looks like it's searing. All of this compounded by the fact that Mag was able to get out of the machine after the machine was broken only supports this argument, leaving you trying to find ways around it, such as your claim that "getting the tenno out of the suit takes time".

 

Towards the end of the video, we see the glowing rings around Mags parts, suggesting that it is about to be cut up by the machine. If Alad V. is only cutting up the warframe after the Tenno inside is teleported, why do the rings show up to cut it before Mag is teleported?

 

The trailer is pretty cut and dry. There may be a few surprises later down the line, but what Alad V. is trying to do with the warframes he got is clear. 

Wrong on everything but the fact that if there were living tenno inside at the time of disassembly. They absolutely would be cauterized.

However, your view on the auction is flawed as all hell. The "Council" wouldn't blindly bid on whatever scraps Alad Vi leaves behind. They would buy very specific parts! That means they MUST be bidding on live Tenno.

[FrothingLoins]

Has he? Are you sure? I still belive the 'Components' Alad needs for his project aren't warframes, but the tenno themselves. His pet may be quadrapedal, but it has a VERY humanoid shape. In addition, if you look at the Berzerker concept art you can see the legs have been heavily modified and resemble the legs of the dog. Finally, as you've mentioned, only Tenno can use warframes and their abilities.

 

I'm convinced his project involves capturing and heavily modifying Tenno for the corpus to control. What better weapon to fight the Tenno then one of their own?

Steve blatantly stated the Corpus are against bionics, so that theory is wrong. If you look at the Zanuka it is clearly a repurposed warframe chasis and parts, controlled remotely by Alad Vi.

[FrothingLoins]

a factory is only logical if he has the resources and founds, he lack both, he have only a few warframes and no founds from the higher-ups in the Corpus government.

the Tenno are nothing for him, they wont talk, they wont tell any secrets, they wont train his army, they wont break under torture,  slicing them and then analyzing whats-ever inside is the only use for them.

Face it man, Alad kills Tenno, its not like he is the only one that dose it, pretty much every one kill/try to kill Tenno.

as much as its hard to deal with, we have a dead Excal on our hands.

Rescue. Missions. The Corpus and Grineer frequently capture and transport Tenno for interrogation

 

 If they didn't, there would NOT be rescue missions.

[EagleRise]

Wrong on everything but the fact that if there were living tenno inside at the time of disassembly. They absolutely would be cauterized.

However, your view on the auction is flawed as all hell. The "Council" wouldn't blindly bid on whatever scraps Alad Vi leaves behind. They would buy very specific parts! That means they MUST be bidding on live Tenno.

you are one of thos guys... arnt you?

the "i'm right and you are wrong! cant hear you! LALALALALALA" kind of guy.

[EagleRise]

Rescue. Missions. The Corpus and Grineer frequently capture and transport Tenno for interrogation

 

 If they didn't, there would NOT be rescue missions.

we dont know if its a Tenno or a Lotus organization agent, now do we?

[FrothingLoins]

you are one of thos guys... arnt you?
the "i'm right and you are wrong! cant hear you! LALALALALALA" kind of guy.

Absolutely when people refuse to make intelligent points. People are stupid enough to say that captured Tenno are not valuable despite the fact that there are Rescue Missions for both Corpus and Grineer, both of which involve Tenno that have been extracted from their suit and are being transported for interrogation. THE LOTUS TELLS YOU THEY ARE GOING TO BE INTERROGATED.

Now seriously, stop posting in this thread until you have some semblance of logic and ability to analyze a story intelligently. Edited November 13, 2013 by FrothingLoins

[FrothingLoins]

we dont know if its a Tenno or a Lotus organization agent, now do we?

Lotus confirms they are Tenno. Lotus herself is Tenno. Alad Vi calls her an Eyeless slag and also refers to the Tenno as being Eyeless.

[EagleRise]

Lotus confirms they are Tenno. Lotus herself is Tenno. Alad Vi calls her an Eyeless slag and also refers to the Tenno as being Eyeless.

 

wut? since when Lotus is a Tenno? O_o

as far as I know, Lotus is either a person or an AI, that serves the Lotus organization, that somehow knows about the Tenno and their history and utilize them to keep balance in the sol system.

Edit, really, if theres proof she is a Tenno, I want to see it, that will be a mind blow O_o

Edited November 13, 2013 by EagleRise

[Tevye]

If you read the in game lore section on Corpus, it very clearly states that Corpus Dissect captured Tenno.

It also clearly says that Salvaged Orokin technology drives the corpus profit machine and that the corpus view Tenno and their warframes as the very best in Orokin salvage. I'm sorry, I don't think, based on what lore is available, that Alad would care about interrogation of captives. He wants the technology, not military advantage. He risked and mostly lost an entire system to get these captives. Moreover, these captives were not active Tenno., any info they have would be massively outdated as they were in cryopods.

Edited November 13, 2013 by Remitevji

[Brasten]

OP please take note that the cutting bands, as demonstrated on the Excalibur, were being activated on the Mag prior to her release. We have demonstrated evidence that the Mag is still in her suit upon release (by the way of her not boneless collapse, if not the use of pull). This meas those cutting beams were going to be used WITH HER STILL IN THE SUIT.

There is no teleportation happening with the first orange laser wall sweep. Most likely it is some form of paralysis/stasis field to both hold subject still and to prevent loss of matierals. A better theory than to account for the lack of gore (aside from DE just not thinking to put it in) is that all the material is being help in stasis. They way the cutting table dissembles would support that as each section is ready for packing and shipment separately.

We don't even need cauterization (which is never perfect wound closing burns) to explain the lack of gore. A stasis field covers that quite well.

[Pancakes]

Absolutely when people refuse to make intelligent points. People are stupid enough to say that captured Tenno are not valuable despite the fact that there are Rescue Missions for both Corpus and Grineer, both of which involve Tenno that have been extracted for their suit and are being transported for interrogation. THE LOTUS TELLS YOU THEY ARE GOING TO BE INTERROGATED.

 

Now seriously, stop posting in this thread until you have some semblance of logic and ability to analyze a story intelligently.

Lmao. How about you dispute my claims rather than just say they're wrong?

There are rescue missions but how about you pay attention to who you're rescuing and what Lotus says?

 

There's never any claim that the person you're rescuing is Tenno.

 

People have been making intelligent counter claims all throughout the thread. You're just being blinded by what you think is right and are unable to consider other possibilities. 

[Brasten]

There's never any claim that the person you're rescuing is Tenno.

Actually I do believe there is a section of dialog that mentions it being a "Tenno Operative". Now does that mean a Tenno in a Warframe or possibly a non-Warframed Tenno? We actually don't have many details a out the wider Tenno colony in general (which would be nice since that would be a point of interaction our Tenno would encounter frequently).