Community Stream Schedule: June 19 - 24th

[(NSW)AlbaDicentra]

4 hours ago, overrallis said:

Amazes me how ungrateful other Tenno are when it comes to this stuff. 

For Christ's sake, we have Tennocon and the 10 year Anniversary round the corner, I doubt we're going to be getting anything too crazy until before that point. 

Please relax, they don't have to give you anything at all. 

The anniversary happened already and 90% of the rewards were already given, they’ve alluded to some additional things and obv the Dex operator suit is still to come but the anniversary is mostly over.

[Rixuel]

5x pathos clamps for 45 minutes? Totally not worth the time. We could do 20-25 min of steel path Lone Story mode and get 15 pathos clamps. Reward could had be at least  around 30 pathos for 45 minutes to be more fair in time

[Van_Void]

15 hours ago, IskraGizni said:

who in the world needs these rewards..

I do. Clamps are not hard but annoying to get. (you actually have to play the Duviri Experience... ) Saves me some time in the Paradox.

[Van_Void]

27 minutes ago, Rixuel said:

5x pathos clamps for 45 minutes? Totally not worth the time. We could do 20-25 min of steel path Lone Story mode and get 15 pathos clamps. Reward could had be at least  around 30 pathos for 45 minutes to be more fair in time

Well I, and probably many more new players, am not even close to playing steel path. Also I do not find the Duviri Experience very enjoyable. So getting pathos clamps for doing nothing is not to be sneezed at.
Do think about other people not only about yourself.

[Van_Void]

5 hours ago, overrallis said:

Amazes me how ungrateful other Tenno are when it comes to this stuff. 

For Christ's sake, we have Tennocon and the 10 year Anniversary round the corner, I doubt we're going to be getting anything too crazy until before that point. 

Please relax, they don't have to give you anything at all. 

Agreed. I have never seen a free game that gives away so much for free in addition. People pay happily much more for useless stuff in other games but complain when they get the offer to have a browser open in the background to get a few more things for free.
DE should sell pathos clamps for plat in the store and stop twitch drops. People would just buy and stop complaining :D

[(NSW)AlbaDicentra]

They’re not the only person who has that opinion so they’re not just thinking about themselves. Even without SP accessible you can run lone story and get the mission complete relatively fast, this is 1.5 run and it’s just not an enticing reward. Last week’s reward was built Formas which take 23 hours to build (plus resources+credits) which feels more respectful of their community’s time.

[ALIEN109]

Converted to GMT/UTC + chronological order + added missing reward from summary spoiler

Spoiler

DE not insulting non-US players at all by considering ET to be a worldwide used time reference...

Warframe International Stream (Spanish)

• Wednesday 21/06 - 19:00 -> 20:00 GMT
• twitch.tv/warframeinternational
• Drops: 5 x Pathos Clamps

Prime Time (English)

• Thursday 22/06 - 22:00 -> 00:00 GMT
• twitch.tv/warframe
• Drops: 5 x Pathos Clamps

Community Fridays Stream (Japanese)

• Friday 23/06 - 11:00 -> 12:00 GMT
• twitch.tv/Kalon75
• Glyph Display

Community Fridays Stream (English)

• Friday 23/06 - 13:00 -> 14:00 GMT
• twitch.tv/Fated2Perish
• Spotlight (Ostron)

Pride Stream

• Saturday 24/06 - 23:00 -> Sunday 25/06 04:00 GMT
• twitch.tv/ladytheladdy
• Mainland Hamlets Captura Scene

[Rixuel]

3 hours ago, Van_Void said:

Well I, and probably many more new players, am not even close to playing steel path. Also I do not find the Duviri Experience very enjoyable. So getting pathos clamps for doing nothing is not to be sneezed at.
Do think about other people not only about yourself.

even without Steel Path, in normal mode, you get 10 pathos clamps easy in 15 minutes. Also, Lone Story mode is better and faster than Durivi Exp mode

[master_of_destiny]

9 hours ago, PrimeEnLightenedShadow said:

Having enough players for that doesn't mean they aren't losing players.  You don't need millions of players for fast chats to happen consistently, a few thousand will do fine.

Nice assumption you have there, would be a shame if someone were to present some facts to counter it.

https://steamcharts.com/

While this is only for Steam, it has been proven time and again that things are proportionally very consistent across all platforms.  If the player count for a game goes down by half on Steam, it went down by half for each platform.

Search for Warframe.  In the top left corner of the player count timeline, if you click on All, you can see that Warframe's peak player count USED to be consistently going up.  Now though, while inconsistent, it IS going down.  Particularly, in September of last year, (October if you look at the list below, since that list checks from the 20th of a month to the 20th of the next one) Warframe's peak player count dropped to the lowest point it's been in 5 years.

Warframe may not be hemorrhaging players, but people ARE leaving,  You're simply ASSUMING that everything is fine because you're just going "I'm able to win.  Therefore, the game is good."

 

Here's the Catch 22, though:  The backlash against bad design choices is almost exclusively voiced by the players THAT ARE STILL PRESENT.

Ever ask someone why they quit Warframe?  Me neither, but I doubt that Final Fantasy 14 doing so well has anything significant to do with it.

You fail to see the big picture...but are on a reasonable path.

 

Let me rectify that.  Warframe is in a constant cycle of content-logins-drought-losses.  That's what you always hear as a counter, and it isn't entirely wrong.  That said, the longer and longer there are content droughts the less people come back immediately.  This is how we've gotten to the current model of two large drops per year...with "echoes" style booster packs because they need people engaged again.

To stop this DE introduced a variety of time gates.  Think Sorties, Archon Hunts, and the current rewards for the circuit.  That said, this started back with syndicate standing...so you can't call this magically new.

 

The best part of all of this is that you are wrong (about feedback).  I have asked plenty of people who quit what their breaking point was, and youtube is littered with former partners.  Let me enlighten you...and hopefully DE.

1) My time is wasted.  Having a 2% drop for something that requires 20 minutes of my time is insulting.

2) The content sucks.  There are maybe 5-10 great weapons in any category...but hundreds to grind.  Getting to MR20 is a pipe dream...(yes, that long ago)

3) Bugs.  So many bugs.  It's a AAA bugged game that never fixes more than the most critical stuff.

4) Double standards.  Watch a dev stream.  Identify that DE's representatives are forever making lewd and inappropriate comments...as defined by their own ToS.  It isn't me being a prude, but I've seen people nearly get a huge ban because of the name of their pet...and it was less edgy than some of the crap on their streams...in a game about slicing people in half you can't even make certain references.  

 

Why do players come back then?  DE has about 10 seconds of good game.  That's not an insult, it's acknowledging that the 10 seconds it takes to mow down an army of mooks, parkour to another, and slice them into sashimi is a great loop.  It makes this game.  Unfortunately, 99% isn't that loop.  Like opiates, that loop is so good it keeps people coming back despite all the bad.  Thing is, rehab is a thing.  People do get to their breaking point.  People leave because DE is making their game more transparently time hungry while flogging microtransactions out the ears.  That's all fair...but sometimes people leave because it doesn't feel good.

A fair few of my friends left forever...because there are hundreds of alternatives.  DE is in the midst of making fishing more core to their game than murdering Grineer by the bucket load...and that lack of focus is showing.  That said, don't flog the steam chart numbers.  It's a poorer argument that's easy to contrast with peaks brought on by content releases.  I say that because I was where you are.  The people who care stick around and talk about what can be done.  Normies just log off forever.  It'll only be a problem when whales disappear...and that'll only be a problem when you can't get a match...which DE has "fixed" with cross-platform...so a 20% drop across all platforms becomes a 320% increase in players by virtue of multiple platforms (yes, 80% of varying player counts isn't going to add up to this...but the math is close enough to demonstrate the point).

[master_of_destiny]

3 hours ago, Van_Void said:

Well I, and probably many more new players, am not even close to playing steel path. Also I do not find the Duviri Experience very enjoyable. So getting pathos clamps for doing nothing is not to be sneezed at.
Do think about other people not only about yourself.

 

OK....let me short this.  If you are cracking open a window, and harvesting the rewards, then the stream is pointless.  It's a cost gate to see if you'll buy twitch prime or amazon prime.

 

Now, let me tackle rewards.  Just give this a little bit of thought.  I can solo the basic stuff with sun & moon in about 30 minutes...getting 10 pathos clamps, resources, and the ability points.  That's twice as much reward, plus resources, plus experience, in less time than it'd take to watch DE tell me nothing about the future...

Why complain?  Well, because nothing is free.  If you think your time has no value then I have nothing to say.  90 minutes for 10 pathos clamps, or 90 minutes for 30 clamps, experience, and resources is a no-brainer.  If you just open the window it's a free reward...but DE is using you to inflate engagement numbers so you are the product being sold...  It's pretty silly to not value yourself.

 

 

Barring the rest of this...it's silly to think that DE gives anything away for free.  They want your engagement time to support their whales...and they've given up on things that drive constant engagement.  See: Nightwave devolving.  They may not have the resources to do that sort of stuff....but they can give away a limitless virtual resource that literally cannot purchase anything in-game at the rates being awarded...which is why people feel insulted.  You're welcome to think that's complaining...but imagine if DE gave away a free frame...and once you got it a message on the screen flashed and said you have no open slots, either sell a warframe or buy a slot to receive your gift.  It'd be less useful, right?  It'd be an insult, right?  Well, that's why free frames now come with a slot...

[Krilexis]

Honestly I prefer that the rewards are not too good because I cant watch prime time at all (1 am in europe) so cant complain.

[BroDutt]

DE should lock this thread so no one can comment. I'm sick of user complain about free item or not getting drops because Twitch issue. No wonder a lot of Developer just remove their forum and move to Discord only to interact.

If you don't/can't watch it just let it go. I have to wake up at 6 am to "watch" Primetime and rarely watch Warframe International because of timezone gap. It's not mandatory.

 

[SolStreak]

The focus is the stream guys, not the reward. If you gonna tune in and afk just for the reward - and complaining  just about the reward, then you're missing the point of Community Stream.

If it doesn't look 'enough', just farm it, which is faster.

[master_of_destiny]

4 hours ago, SolStreak said:

The focus is the stream guys, not the reward. If you gonna tune in and afk just for the reward - and complaining  just about the reward, then you're missing the point of Community Stream.

If it doesn't look 'enough', just farm it, which is faster.

 

5 hours ago, BroDutt said:

DE should lock this thread so no one can comment. I'm sick of user complain about free item or not getting drops because Twitch issue. No wonder a lot of Developer just remove their forum and move to Discord only to interact.

If you don't/can't watch it just let it go. I have to wake up at 6 am to "watch" Primetime and rarely watch Warframe International because of timezone gap. It's not mandatory.

 

 

Stopping for just a moment...do you remember when the developer streams used to just be a video with no rewards?

I do.

 

Do you remember that the engagement was from people deeply dedicated to the game, because the community was a very shallow pool?

I do.

 

Do you remember when this died?  Let me give you a hint.  DE generated a massive population increase...and had a backlog of content literally years old.  They spent months tinkering with the open world...and all the while people had a bunch of content to explore.  Veterans...were a thing...but the community that supported the game from kickstarter to sale to Leyou (sorry, whatever the poultry farmer in China was named) was largely left out as content droughts got longer.  It's been years...and people have burned through the content.  A few years ago DE started increasing engagement via partnering with Twitch to do give-aways...and get eyeballs on the developers.  That's why they need to offer free stuff...because once you start paying people to watch it becomes a requirement going forward.

 

Now...the developers "retreating" to discord is a joke.  It's how we get garbage like the latest COD game, or the complete misfires of things like Prey, or still yet the shenanigans like No Man's Sky.  It's people not wanting negative feedback..so cutting off all of it instead of employing human punching bags.  I mean, customer satisfaction agents.  I say that not as an insult, but because that's often how those people have described their job to me.  To be clear...DE as a developer has a mixed track record in their response to negative feedback, but have been consistent to reward players.  Considering that they desire positive feedback, then host dev streams which promise features that can take years to happen if ever they do, then a bit of bribery for a positive player response is probably not a bad use of resources.

 

Let me qualify the above just a bit.  Dev streams have shown us Parkour 2.0, and they've shown off frames.  On the other hand you have the Ghoul Saw...which took a community backlash to get into the game after being told for months it was "almost done."  We saw modular archwing, which was deep into development...and years later is still not in game.  We also watched things like a third orb mother...which is chilling in a lake, as it has been since launch.  I say that we learn nothing about the future of the game not in jest, but because the delivery of promised features is often a roll of the dice as to whether it's a goal or a fun idea...

Finally, why complain?  Because occasionally DE listens and fixes things.  It's a pipe dream, but not unprecedented.  If there's a possibility, then people will ask for it to be less...insulting.  Please note that DE isn't stupid...so the decision to reward in this value is likely based upon math.  With the recent release of content, it's likely that DE is betting on people being invested in seeing updates...so they're testing if worse rewards is a community acceptable practice.  We provide feedback by either forum comments, or not engaging with the stream...and as per all the other people DE doesn't have the capability to see a difference between leeching and engagement.  

Of course, you could also suggest that some of these have rewarded an umbral forma for watching.  45 minutes of engagement for a thing that cost a bunch of steel essence and comes around every...10 weeks I think...or 45 minutes for half of a basic reward you can grind infinitely in 30 minutes.  With that math established, this really seems like a bad reward.

[BroDutt]

1 hour ago, master_of_destiny said:

Do you remember when this died?  Let me give you a hint.  DE generated a massive population increase...and had a backlog of content literally years old.  They spent months tinkering with the open world...and all the while people had a bunch of content to explore.  Veterans...were a thing...but the community that supported the game from kickstarter to sale to Leyou (sorry, whatever the poultry farmer in China was named) was largely left out as content droughts got longer.  It's been years...and people have burned through the content.  A few years ago DE started increasing engagement via partnering with Twitch to do give-aways...and get eyeballs on the developers.  That's why they need to offer free stuff...because once you start paying people to watch it becomes a requirement going forward.

 

Shouldn't you direct this to the one who complain about free Twitch Drops?

1 hour ago, master_of_destiny said:

Finally, why complain?  Because occasionally DE listens and fixes things.  It's a pipe dream, but not unprecedented.  If there's a possibility, then people will ask for it to be less...insulting.  Please note that DE isn't stupid...so the decision to reward in this value is likely based upon math.  With the recent release of content, it's likely that DE is betting on people being invested in seeing updates...so they're testing if worse rewards is a community acceptable practice.  We provide feedback by either forum comments, or not engaging with the stream...and as per all the other people DE doesn't have the capability to see a difference between leeching and engagement.  

That's why I specifically point to THIS thread. And my comparison to other developer about moving to Discord is to remind them that DE still allow forum exist. You know, like OTHER thread in this forum where we can complain or give suggestion.

NOT in a thread about livestream schedule.

[master_of_destiny]

5 hours ago, BroDutt said:

Shouldn't you direct this to the one who complain about free Twitch Drops?

That's why I specifically point to THIS thread. And my comparison to other developer about moving to Discord is to remind them that DE still allow forum exist. You know, like OTHER thread in this forum where we can complain or give suggestion.

NOT in a thread about livestream schedule.

 

You seem to be missing my point, so let me try explaining it a little differently.  If we're still not on the same page, then I'll let you have the last word.

 

The problem isn't the free twitch drops.  The problem is that the drops have been linked to a relatively high value potential, and are a requirement (of DE for watching the stream) since DE has established that watching said streams should be valued.  They did this because any reward, to some extent, generates engagement.  They feed off of engagement numbers...so when they established that they will give away something as time gated and limited as an umbral forma they established that 45 minutes for 5 pathos clamps is...a bad reward.  Bad in the sense that it is too little, too long of required viewing (90 minutes for the minimum in-game drop), and not time bound.

 

 

So...the problem is that DE wants to be "free to play done right."  What has empirically been established is that when they do a poll on a developer twitter thread...it ends with whatever said dev asked.  Almost like it's confirmation bias...and historically when DE knows better what their players want than what they do it ends in Archwing.

Joking aside, DE has to have a forum.  Think design council.  Think active bug reporting...as their tool seems to get no traction and often not adequately track anything short of CTDs.  It's not an option when you release something as complex as warframe...and especially not when your baseline for stability is...often closer to alpha than beta.  It's also funny to think that even in their developer stream, which we are paid in resources to watch (see: rewards announced before anything else), could have things like "ghoul saw when DE?" banned because something they promised in one stream, built up for more than a year, and eventually "demonstrated as nearly complete" took more months before it finally entered the active game.   While DE is...laudable for maintaining a forum, and even on a blue moon responding directly to feedback, this is not something done out of pure good will.

 

Finally, you seem to want to focus on the schedule.  Cool.  Let's dissect.

Sentence 1 - time of stream.

Sentence 2 - generic explanation of what it is.

Sentence 3 - actual stream time...because breaking it up into two sentences is necessary?  Also, first statement of rewards. 

Sentence 4 -defined reward.

Sentence 5 - other stream, also promising reward, and all time information.

Full page picture of reward

If this was an advertisement...which it is...then the full page visual would be where 90% or more of people focus...and what is it?  That's right, it's the pathos clamps.  Not a time, not the developers, not even a generic warframe logo.  The people I deal with in marketing identify this sort of thing as cutting through the "noise" of text.  It's selling this thread on the reward...not on delivery of times and information.  You're welcome to argue that...but it's stupid.  If a picture is worth a thousand words, and about 82 exist before said picture then it's obvious what actually matters.

Let me short this.  If the point of this was a schedule then DE could simply point to their schedule already on their twitch calendar.  They didn't.  They did dedicate a heck of a lot to telling us why we should watch...based on the reward on offer.  Hopefully you see that the motivation here is transparently to tell us what reward is on offer...but if you believe that this is somehow still just about the schedule then please feel free to explain the second large splash image.  That'd be rewards, times, web addresses, and names of the content creators they want to boost.  Almost like they're doing the same thing...offering people rewards to engage with content creators and boosting engagement through the bribery of merch...or in this case infinite and free digital tat.  It's like attending a convention and walking away with free branded crap...where the reason they give you a free mouse is because their company logo now stares you in the face every time you use the thing.  To be clear, we are the product...and our engagement time is what DE is selling to their management...because that's what drives free to play. 

[Van_Void]

On 2023-06-20 at 4:57 PM, (NSW)AlbaDicentra said:

They’re not the only person who has that opinion so they’re not just thinking about themselves. Even without SP accessible you can run lone story and get the mission complete relatively fast, this is 1.5 run and it’s just not an enticing reward. Last week’s reward was built Formas which take 23 hours to build (plus resources+credits) which feels more respectful of their community’s time.

Then just do that. Play the game. There is no reason to complain about something other people are happy with. This is an addition to what you can get in game. You can have both. What else do you want?
Respectful to the community? Are you saying DE owes you for playing their free game? Those drops save you one run in the spiral. I would call that respecting your time.

Jeez, there is a several pages long thread about the twitch drops here. If I was a dev at DE reading this, I would wonder why I'd give away anything to a community so ungrateful....

[(PSN)phux0v]

On 2023-06-20 at 3:33 AM, PrimeEnLightenedShadow said:

Having enough players for that doesn't mean they aren't losing players.  You don't need millions of players for fast chats to happen consistently, a few thousand will do fine.

Nice assumption you have there, would be a shame if someone were to present some facts to counter it.

https://steamcharts.com/

While this is only for Steam, it has been proven time and again that things are proportionally very consistent across all platforms.  If the player count for a game goes down by half on Steam, it went down by half for each platform.

Search for Warframe.  In the top left corner of the player count timeline, if you click on All, you can see that Warframe's peak player count USED to be consistently going up.  Now though, while inconsistent, it IS going down.  Particularly, in September of last year, (October if you look at the list below, since that list checks from the 20th of a month to the 20th of the next one) Warframe's peak player count dropped to the lowest point it's been in 5 years.

Warframe may not be hemorrhaging players, but people ARE leaving,  You're simply ASSUMING that everything is fine because you're just going "I'm able to win.  Therefore, the game is good."

 

Here's the Catch 22, though:  The backlash against bad design choices is almost exclusively voiced by the players THAT ARE STILL PRESENT.

Ever ask someone why they quit Warframe?  Me neither, but I doubt that Final Fantasy 14 doing so well has anything significant to do with it.

i am one of the players THAT ARE STILL PRESENT. you assume that all im looking at when i play is whether i can win.. ffs this isnt a hard game. hasnt been for over 6 years and youve been around long enough to know that.

so im gonna make a couple points here, speaking of assumptions.

"it has been proven time and again that things are proportionally very consistent across all platforms" this is not only a logical fallacy, it is patently FALSE IN WARFRAME.

i see listings for arcane helmets under 1000p on pc, so by your "logic" on psn i should be able to get them for under 2000... HAH

player retention may be the highest its ever been on nintendo switch! so, by your "logic", it has been "proven" that player retention is great on all platforms.

you build a logical fallacy around an assumption that is easily shattered, and accuse me of making assumptions just because the games not hard?

my field of study was game engine architecture. i'm paying more attention to the design of this game when im doing random missions half asleep after a full nights work than you are at your peak, and theres an assumption i can safely make so step back.

 

so beyond a logical fallacy based around assumptions you made, and accusing me of making arguments based on assumptions (you know what gaslighting means? i think you do.) well, the only problem here with your point is that you purported to bring facts.

and all you brought was this flimsy argument.

happy hunting, tenno.

[Tree_Peel]

Everybody in the comments are missing the point, the drop is just so everyone can participate in the new Kullervo event. Chillax.

[VesperDrow]

On 2023-06-19 at 6:09 PM, (PSN)The_Horizon180 said:

You get 5 from international stream and 5 from prime time,  10 total....

you get 5 from International, 5 from Prime Time x2 for 15 Total. For doing nothing but running a stream. Worth it. The fact that most of you "warframe fans" are getting offended by getting something for free is an embarrassment. You're all giving the company a bad name and quite frankly you're making the rest of us true fans look bad. If a FREE GIFT from your favorite game offends you this greatly, perhaps it's time to stop playing and take a long hard look at yourself. 

[ImpaledLotus]

Ooh, more decorations!

And clamps for riven mods or arcanes! 😍

[(XBOX)Rabbernaut]

What's goin on with these drops in the international stream? First it was two drops, then you changed the names of one of the drops and it froze my progress now it looks like I won't get either drop until tomorrow and won't get all three now. Kinda frustrating. 

[[DE]Taylor]

17 minutes ago, (XBOX)Rabbernaut said:

What's goin on with these drops in the international stream? First it was two drops, then you changed the names of one of the drops and it froze my progress now it looks like I won't get either drop until tomorrow and won't get all three now. Kinda frustrating. 

There was an issue with the set-up of the Drop with a broken duplicate item. Instead of having players redeem a drop that didn't link to anything, we set it up to offer an extra Grand Finale fireworks instead. That was the reason for the mix-up there. As for the frozen progress, I'm unsure if that is related, as others have successfully claimed it. 

[(XBOX)Rabbernaut]

27 minutes ago, [DE]Taylor said:

There was an issue with the set-up of the Drop with a broken duplicate item. Instead of having players redeem a drop that didn't link to anything, we set it up to offer an extra Grand Finale fireworks instead. That was the reason for the mix-up there. As for the frozen progress, I'm unsure if that is related, as others have successfully claimed it. 

OK maybe my twitch is just acting up. Thanks for the reply. Might be able to get the drops anyways just gotta be johnny on the spot tomorrow.

[ultimitloozer]

1 hour ago, (XBOX)Rabbernaut said:

What's goin on with these drops in the international stream? First it was two drops, then you changed the names of one of the drops and it froze my progress now it looks like I won't get either drop until tomorrow and won't get all three now. Kinda frustrating. 

I don't know what kind of problem you are seeing here. Twitch says I got both of those drops during the stream and I am currently 37% of the way through the second iteration of both. Once I finish my current project in about 2 hours, I will be able to log in and verify they came through. (And start collecting Kullervo parts.)