Dornez Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 All of the Stalker weps are easily beat out by prime counterparts Despair (throwing knives) are even beat by their standard shop counterparts, the Kunai If the Stalker got some "Special Deal" from the weapon broker, I think he got jiped bad. Sure they look cool, but in the end, the weapons of the same type that are not hard to get are far superior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Absolom_ Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 1: They don't have Prime counterparts. 2: Use the weapons before complaining. 3: Learn to use the weapons you little sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutilar Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Despair. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.C.Santos Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Prime counterparts? When did we get Despair Prime? Dread Prime? :O I'm sorry but If you think Despair is bad then I nothing more to say to ya. Also, Dread with a Thunderbolt spamming build is pure awesomeness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukita007 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) 1: They don't have Prime counterparts. 2: Use the weapons before complaining. 3: Learn to use the weapons you little sh*t. And above all, the Despair is far superior to the Kunai. Edited January 3, 2014 by jukita007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EganMC Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I assume by their "Prime" counterparts, you mean the Paris Prime and the Reaper Prime? The Dread and the Paris Prime function differently, one being Slash and the other being Puncture. The Dread will excel where the Paris Prime will not, and vice versa. The Reaper Prime is hardly an upgrade. It just focuses more on regular attacks than charge attacks, where as the hate focuses more on charge attacks rather than regular. And the Kunai and Despair are also differently functioning now, set for different factions. Each weapon has it's own claim to fame, if you believe the Stalker weapons are bad, then learn to make them good. 3: Learn to use the weapons you little sh*t. That's heavily unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Absolom_ Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 That's heavily unnecessary. But hell someone had to say it. And I love taking jobs like these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dornez Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 By my understanding none of the stalker weps are suitable for heavy unit killing. They do slashing dmg, so unless you are going up against grineer foot soldier and infested runners all day. Non-stalker weps with their puncture dmg are better suited all around. Their are multiple threads stating "puncture or gtfo" stalker weps don't have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ensignvidiot Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Hello newfriend, you should give this a read https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/53259-dont-even-nerf-thread-till-you-own-it-please-give-it-a-read/ and im totally in the "Despair is Awesome" camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Absolom_ Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 By my understanding none of the stalker weps are suitable for heavy unit killing. They do slashing dmg, so unless you are going up against grineer foot soldier and infested runners all day. Non-stalker weps with their puncture dmg are better suited all around. Their are multiple threads stating "puncture or gtfo" stalker weps don't have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MageMeat Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) By my understanding none of the stalker weps are suitable for heavy unit killing. They do slashing dmg, so unless you are going up against grineer foot soldier and infested runners all day. Non-stalker weps with their puncture dmg are better suited all around. Their are multiple threads stating "puncture or gtfo" stalker weps don't have it. That's funny. Slash damage is great against health, which every mob has. Just slap on a Puncture mod against armour and Magnetic damage against shields and heavy units are but a nuisance. And Despair is mainly Puncture, by the way. EDIT: Why is this even in General Bugs? The weapons are functioning properly. Edited January 3, 2014 by MageMeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N7Arthur Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) And the Kunai and Despair are also differently functioning now, set for different factions. By my understanding none of the stalker weps are suitable for heavy unit killing. They do slashing dmg, so unless you are going up against grineer foot soldier and infested runners all day. Non-stalker weps with their puncture dmg are better suited all around. Their are multiple threads stating "puncture or gtfo" stalker weps don't have it. Actually, both of these are wrong, the Despair does Puncture damage, and so do all throwing weapons now, the Despair is a direct upgrade to the Kunai and Hikou. Lets see the stats shall we, Despair has all the same stats as Kunai, except damage, where Despair is 2.8 Impact, 44 Puncture and 8.2 Slashing, Kunai is 4.5 Impact 33.8 Puncture, and 6.7 Slash, the Despair is superior especially with the addition of Elemental mods. Hikou does 2.5 Impact 15 Puncture 7.5 Slashing, with double the firerate, and is worse than the Despair because it does less DPS, with less ammo efficiency. So yea, learn your facts before talking about the glorious Despair. Edit: Just a quick note, even though Kunai does 1.7 More Impact damage per shot, this does not mean it is better against Corpus, as the extra damage the Despair gets through elemental mod combos will far out damage the Kunai against Corpus. Edited January 3, 2014 by N7Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CannaWhoopazz Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Despair is pretty awesome! It crushes Grineer really well with a Radiation mod or Corrosive mod (I prefer Radiation). It's basically hitscan. It actually hits harder than my 2-forma Vasto (which I don't like to admit because I LOVE my Vasto...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornez Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 Actually, both of these are wrong, the Despair does Puncture damage, and so do all throwing weapons now, the Despair is a direct upgrade to the Kunai and Hikou. Lets see the stats shall we, Despair has all the same stats as Kunai, except damage, where Despair is 2.8 Impact, 44 Puncture and 8.2 Slashing, Kunai is 4.5 Impact 33.8 Puncture, and 6.7 Slash, the Despair is superior especially with the addition of Elemental mods. Hikou does 2.5 Impact 15 Puncture 7.5 Slashing, with double the firerate, and is worse than the Despair because it does less DPS, with less ammo efficiency. So yea, learn your facts before talking about the glorious Despair. Edit: Just a quick note, even though Kunai does 1.7 More Impact damage per shot, this does not mean it is better against Corpus, as the extra damage the Despair gets through elemental mod combos will far out damage the Kunai against Corpus. It appears I was wrong. Good day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptimumBow0 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) By my understanding none of the stalker weps are suitable for heavy unit killing. They do slashing dmg, so unless you are going up against grineer foot soldier and infested runners all day. Non-stalker weps with their puncture dmg are better suited all around. Their are multiple threads stating "puncture or gtfo" stalker weps don't have it. >snip< K, we're good, no more of that. Edited January 3, 2014 by OptimumBow0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nintega Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Aside from all the good people of the Despair Master Race claiming their superiority once more, something needs to be said about Dread and Hate, too. The Dread has a big bonus over the Paris Prime in Critical Damage, which means it can, in the end, hit a lot higher than the Paris Prime. The Hate is the best charge weapon out of all of the scythes, the Reaper series has 160 charge damage, while Hate has a full 200, like the rest of the heavy melee weapons. Stalker weapons are pretty damn good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syle Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 yep dread and hate require a buff no one will buy such horrible weapons from the market they need to be made high mid / top tier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ensignvidiot Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Not to mention the Dread's Arrow Trajectory is quite possible the Straightest and the Fastest of all of the Bows in the game. Making landing shots with it a lot easier than its counterparts. I'll admit, im not a fan of the Hate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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