Vargras Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 He popped up, did a Slash Dash (which missed), then fell over dead. All from a single Avalanche, and with nothing boosting it except for a max rank Focus mod. Man, Frost sure is terrible now, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuroNekoXlll Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) cuz every other frame couldnt do the same thing Edited February 10, 2014 by FadingFaith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tr1ples1xer Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Nerf frost ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinikage Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 You don't know how happy this makes me! I WUVS YOU FWOST!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share Posted February 10, 2014 cuz every other frame couldnt do the same thing I've never had any other ult one-shot him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehero Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 cuz every other frame couldnt do the same thing To my knowledge you arn't supposed to be able to hit stalker with abilities, with this in mind I would say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzaku4489 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 While it's nice that his damage potential has increased, the fact still remains that the main purpose people played him for is now decimated. What if Trinity could stun the Stalker for 10 seconds with EV, but her Blessing didn't refill shields, didn't provide invulnerability, and only healed the team for 20%? Just because she can easily handle the Stalker now doesn't mean she wouldn't be suffering from the nerf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) To my knowledge you arn't supposed to be able to hit stalker with abilities, with this in mind I would say no. You can, actually, but he ignores any crowd control. While it's nice that his damage potential has increased, the fact still remains that the main purpose people played him for is now decimated. What if Trinity could stun the Stalker for 10 seconds with EV, but her Blessing didn't refill shields, didn't provide invulnerability, and only healed the team for 20%? Just because she can easily handle the Stalker now doesn't mean she wouldn't be suffering from the nerf. Drop Snowglobe on defense point. Run around, murder things, pick up energy orbs, run back and drop another globe, repeat. He's actually free to roam around now (because he HAS to), rather than being stuck babysitting the objective. Edited February 10, 2014 by Vargras Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuroNekoXlll Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I've never had any other ult one-shot him. well if the below is true, then okay,but avalanche does the same damage as any other ult 1000 damage? To my knowledge you arn't supposed to be able to hit stalker with abilities, with this in mind I would say no. frost is now anti stalker? wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HillsAndTheSea Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 well if the below is true, then okay,but avalanche does the same damage as any other ult 1000 damage? frost is now anti stalker? wow im pretty sure it was buffed, its maybe 1500 now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archwizard Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 well if the below is true, then okay,but avalanche does the same damage as any other ult 1000 damage? They gave it a 50% damage boost in U12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-CM-Syein Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 But did you know, dps aoe power tend to be useless at high lvl game. Not denying how awesome the current frost is in low-mid lvl. But the fact still remain that DE completely took his only scale ability away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verryn Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 At least you didn't dump Frost just because of one skill. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzaku4489 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Drop Snowglobe on defense point. Run around, murder things, pick up energy orbs, run back and drop another globe, repeat. He's actually free to roam around now (because he HAS to), rather than being stuck babysitting the objective. You aren't "free" to roam around. You're forced. Pre-U12: Drop Globe, run around, murder things, pick up energy orbs, run back and drop another globe. Post-U12: Drop Globe, run aro-, run back, drop another globe since the first lasted 3 seconds instead of 30, run arou-, ****, drop anoth-, out of energy, no globe, no time, objective destroyed. The point is that the ability no longer has any actual function in it's current form in most cases. I know DE are thinking of ways to improve it, but in it's current state, is pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuroNekoXlll Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 They gave it a 50% damage boost in U12. still says 1000 on wiki which is pretty much average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share Posted February 10, 2014 still says 1000 on wiki which is pretty much average The wiki is wrong about a great many things. It still isn't completely up-to-date. You aren't "free" to roam around. You're forced. Pre-U12: Drop Globe, run around, murder things, pick up energy orbs, run back and drop another globe. Post-U12: Drop Globe, run aro-, run back, drop another globe since the first lasted 3 seconds instead of 30, run arou-, ****, drop anoth-, out of energy, no globe, no time, objective destroyed. The point is that the ability no longer has any actual function in it's current form in most cases. I know DE are thinking of ways to improve it, but in it's current state, is pointless. Despite your opinion on Snowglobe, you still can't deny that the changes have been for the better. Freeze, Ice Wave, and Avalanche are actually viable skills now, and Frost is no longer a one-trick pony confined to defense and mobile defense missions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katakuna Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Oh cool, the ex-defensive frame can one-shot a miniboss. Yeah, that doesn't make me cringe just typing that. Not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share Posted February 10, 2014 Oh cool, the ex-defensive frame can one-shot a miniboss. Yeah, that doesn't make me cringe just typing that. Not at all. Underlined for pun. Though Frost is tanky (just like Rhino), I'm fairly certain that Frost was meant to be the more caster-oriented tank of the two, whereas Rhino is the more physical one. The boost to his caster abilities was much needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticVice777 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 still says 1000 on wiki which is pretty much average The Wiki isn't completely up-to-date, but I can definitely tell there has been buff to most of Frost's abilities, though the buffs pale in comparison to the important nerfs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser_Suoh Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) He popped up, did a Slash Dash (which missed), then fell over dead. All from a single Avalanche, and with nothing boosting it except for a max rank Focus mod. Man, Frost sure is terrible now, right? Nope, is very stronger. Then, Frost need a new nerf? Edited February 10, 2014 by Kaiser_Suoh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzaku4489 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Despite your opinion on Snowglobe, you still can't deny that the changes have been for the better. Freeze, Ice Wave, and Avalanche are actually viable skills now, and Frost is no longer a one-trick pony confined to defense and mobile defense missions. I agree with that. The faster animations and higher damage is definitely nice. I'm loving all of the Frost changes, but without an effective Snowglobe, I'm going to have a hard time finding a reason to use him when I have several other damage-based frames that can handle the situation more effectively. At least all of the other changes will make him more useful to fresher players that pick him up for the first time, and find him to be a decent damage dealer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuroNekoXlll Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 The wiki is wrong about a great many things. It still isn't completely up-to-date. Despite your opinion on Snowglobe, you still can't deny that the changes have been for the better. Freeze, Ice Wave, and Avalanche are actually viable skills now, and Frost is no longer a one-trick pony confined to defense and mobile defense missions. eh, snowglobe got up to dated so i assumed avalanche was well its great frost has abuncha subpar tricks rather than 1 good trick... i never found myself in a situation where that was ONLY 1 guy in front of me and i needed him temporarily incapacitated ice wave i heard complaints about it being too narrow avalanche is again imo subpar ult its range is lower than that of other ults (15meters really?), but to my understanding it comes with abit of CC which still isnt very good compared to CC ults of OTHER frames Frost is in that situation wher he is outdone by just about everyone, hes kinda like oberon now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHKany Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 soooo, we got another press 4 to nuke ability? Fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTribute Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 One less CC frame, one more Damage frame.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share Posted February 10, 2014 eh, snowglobe got up to dated so i assumed avalanche was well its great frost has abuncha subpar tricks rather than 1 good trick... i never found myself in a situation where that was ONLY 1 guy in front of me and i needed him temporarily incapacitated ice wave i heard complaints about it being too narrow avalanche is again imo subpar ult its range is lower than that of other ults (15meters really?), but to my understanding it comes with abit of CC which still isnt very good compared to CC ults of OTHER frames Frost is in that situation wher he is outdone by just about everyone, hes kinda like oberon now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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