Rhino Primes, Helmets And Sprinting (Oh- Wat! No!) [Change Proposals]

[Buzkyl]

 

heres another thing

people need to get out of their TF2 bubble 

 

rhino is not ur typical heavy

rhino is a hybrid/ off tank

he has alot of health like a heavy, but his damaging abilities are really low unlike a heavy

 

 

 

Actually, even in tf2 The Heavy has an item to increase his speed, but that was because he was abysmally slow at his normal running speed. However, even when he uses it he still retains an air of vulnerability(taking increase damage) but it brings his speed to more "tolerable" levels..

 

The Vangaurd Helmet does nothing of this, it's nearly a straight upgrade removing (not mitigating) one of rhino's core "weakness" which was speed. All at the cost of -5% power strength which in itself is ridiculous as the damage loss is negligible.

 

I'd like for the Vangaurd helmet to retain it''s speed, however it's penalties must make equipping it a choice rather than a necessity. In a game where speed is 80% of the objective, Rhino should get this speed, however at a reasonable cost.

[sanj66]

Exactly because it is a coop game. You play with others.

 

It's the same with the Nova argument. She nullifies game interaction for the team if played wrong (or right xD).

 

Even if it means the team gets XP and stuff... that's not everything. Everyone wants a piece from the cake.

 

If you are superior due to skill, that's another thing. I don't doubt, there a skillful Rhino players... but honestly for the most part Rhino just promotes lazy gameplay.

nova's issue is different, you are talking about a 2X dmg, slow debuff and chain damage skill vs a speed boost, even with the speed boost rhino can and will never match that, just because he is faster doesnt mean he will or could kill everything and there are frames that can match his speed, not to mention if you really want to maximize your rhino you wont have a slot for rush as unlike other frames rhino is a strength based frame while most others are duration and he needs all the strength based mods to maximize his poor scaling to higher tiers. rhino doesnt promote being lazy, if thats true how about turning invisible for the entire map and just completing the objective, that is even worse, or being permanently invincible like trinity or even valkyr, or just spamming m prime like nova or chain casting chaos like nyx, your point of being lazy is far worse abused by many other frames so that is quite invalid.

as to the guy who claimed in every game all the tanks are slow thats not true there are games where there are fast tanks, that said there are many types of tanks, there are aggressive tanks and defensive tanks. on another point the discussion about loki and tanking, whats the point of comparing his fragility when the opponent cant see you to hit you, plus you get boosted melee crit damage, being invisible renders almost all damage negligible.

by going by many people reasoning that rhino is a tank and he needs to take aggro and set the field up for his team mates, how can you do that if you are slower than almost every other frame? by using the argument its a coop game you have to look at the converse as well that if you make rhino slower than other frames what about him now? especially with frames like nova or even a volt that can nuke everything before he even arrives to an area.

then the argument of rhino is supposed to be a tank, then isnt trinity supposed to be a support frame and valkyr a berserker, yet both can gain permanent invincibility and in cases out tank the tank, if you want him to be a tank or a defensive tank, then other than reworking his speed his skills would need reworking as atm he does need speed to help with his nature,strength build, and he does need speed to fill his role as stated.

[LAGpWND]

Until Nova gets fixed her MP I can't see how a fast running Rhino can be a problem. Rhino runs fast? Cool ,at least he can keep up with the rest of the team. Nova player spams MP? Facken ruins the playing experience for everybody else in the team, unless you are on Endless Defense and you are there just to level up you gear ,while being afk.

[SIDESTRE4M]

 

heres another thing

people need to get out of their TF2 bubble 

 

rhino is not ur typical heavy

rhino is a hybrid/ off tank

he has alot of health like a heavy, but his damaging abilities are really low unlike a heavy

 

 

Never played TF2. I know the heavy there but TF2 is bad for comparison anyway because each unit has its own weapons, unlike Warframe. So I agree at this point. Please refer to my other post where I explained that this tanky thing in Warframe is no real argument at all. When running through a map and killing on sight, I do not need a tank. If Rhino makes sense to be fast, then it makes sense for every other frame, thus removing speed differences would be the next step, which would be ridiculous.

 

nova's issue is different, you are talking about a 2X dmg, slow debuff and chain damage skill vs a speed boost, even with the speed boost rhino can and will never match that, just because he is faster doesnt mean he will or could kill everything and there are frames that can match his speed, not to mention if you really want to maximize your rhino you wont have a slot for rush as unlike other frames rhino is a strength based frame while most others are duration and he needs all the strength based mods to maximize his poor scaling to higher tiers. rhino doesnt promote being lazy, if thats true how about turning invisible for the entire map and just completing the objective, that is even worse, or being permanently invincible like trinity or even valkyr, or just spamming m prime like nova or chain casting chaos like nyx, your point of being lazy is far worse abused by many other frames so that is quite invalid.

as to the guy who claimed in every game all the tanks are slow thats not true there are games where there are fast tanks, that said there are many types of tanks, there are aggressive tanks and defensive tanks. on another point the discussion about loki and tanking, whats the point of comparing his fragility when the opponent cant see you to hit you, plus you get boosted melee crit damage, being invisible renders almost all damage negligible.

by going by many people reasoning that rhino is a tank and he needs to take aggro and set the field up for his team mates, how can you do that if you are slower than almost every other frame? by using the argument its a coop game you have to look at the converse as well that if you make rhino slower than other frames what about him now? especially with frames like nova or even a volt that can nuke everything before he even arrives to an area.

then the argument of rhino is supposed to be a tank, then isnt trinity supposed to be a support frame and valkyr a berserker, yet both can gain permanent invincibility and in cases out tank the tank, if you want him to be a tank or a defensive tank, then other than reworking his speed his skills would need reworking as atm he does need speed to help with his nature,strength build, and he does need speed to fill his role as stated.

EDIT: For some reason my text was missing.

So you are telling me, Rhino is on par or maybe worse than the other frames and therefore he gets a helmet, that distances him again from the other frames?

Loki can be invisible the whole time which is too somehow ridiculous.. on the other hand, he has to or he is minced meat. And he has to put some brain into that too, because if he stands in the line of fire or some unfortunate team mate draws attention from a napalm whilst standing near you, you are still screwed if it comes to worst case. Valkyr may be invincible... so yeah, she doesn't die, but she is limited to subpar moves and damage. Nyx cannot recast Chaos, so if another grineer party joins while two gunners are battling each other with elbows, then you are dead too. I don't know, why people just don't see that Rhinos set of skills is so well belanced and rounded, that all the niche frames cannot stand up to him.

Come on. Why is Rhino the only fast tank then? Why is he even considered a tank?

You don't need a tank and when you need one, Iron Skin doesn't cut it anymore either.

Rhino is no tank. No one plays him as a tank and if someone does, it is not really needed.

It all comes down to why Rhino out of all frames with high defensive stats and capabilities has superior speed? What is his downside? His weakness?

Damage? Not. Not compared to other frames.

His Weakness is supposed to be his speed and it is his weakness. So while other helms just add a little bit, Vanguard Helmet cancels Rhinos weakness. That's what makes poeple envious, because they have to equip rush, while one frame which is already one of the strongest lierally gets it for free.

Edited March 31, 2014 by SIDESTRE4M

[cd33]

This is a closed and done deal! they have stopped stats on helmets etc.. only the people who have the stat helmet will be like this. STOP POSTING ABOUT RHINO SPEED! focus on real problems with the game.