megazomb Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) Apologies if this is the wrong section to post in. However, the base Hydroid helmet and alt helmet origianlly had great looking dangly bits for the face. Not sure when it happened, but all those parts are static now. Please restore, DE. Thank you! Edit: Just noticed that his tail-coat is now locked in static mode too (front part is still good though). Edit 2: FIXED! Thank you DE! Edited August 15, 2014 by megazomb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megazomb Posted May 10, 2014 Author Share Posted May 10, 2014 Dear DE, I saw another thread in the bug section regarding this topic. It seems the cloth physics nerf on Hydroid was intention as part of optimizations. I understand it was to help lower-end machines. However, one of the sole reasons I spent Platinum on him is because of his excellent character model and great cloth physics which are showcased in his profile video:https://warframe.com/game/warframes/hydroid 18 seconds in and I was sold. And now? His dynamic bits are all static. In-game and in-motion he looks like an older frame without the updated tech, like Frost. I’m torn because on one hand I understand why it was done, but on the other, I feel upset that such a cool feature was taken away and not even mentioned in the patch notes. I would be very grateful if you would consider coding in a toggle option for those of us with machines that can handle the load, and restore what is advertised in his profile vid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Seriously? This was intentional? Jeez DE, your decisions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noogums Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 I think it's time for DE to start giving us more options instead of just continuing to downgrade the game because of users with lower-end PC's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolidayPi3 Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 Ouch. Is that true? That would be unfortunate, as WF will never be able to reach its fullest potential if DE is letting things like this limit it. I understand the plight of having a lower-end machine, and I'm overjoyed that DE is helping them out. At the same time, it feels like a lot of great things are being squandered as DE is beginning to balance according to the lowest common denominator. Is it really optimization if features are just straight up getting cut out?But I have faith that this isn't something they'll give up on. It seems to be something they were pushing really hard for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkorp Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 (edited) yeah they were great but they were clipping a lot, with every move they were clipping into the chest. I thinks that's why they locked them in such a way. They have also fixed some part to clip less with weapons. So it's not a fix for lower end machines but a fix for better general quality. And I agree with this choice. Clipping and collision problems are the real aesthetical nightmare for graphist and modlers. edit : (in fact the long one are still clipping...) Edited May 11, 2014 by Zkorp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megazomb Posted May 11, 2014 Author Share Posted May 11, 2014 No. Fixing something entails making it work properly. They removed a key feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 (edited) yeah they were great but they were clipping a lot, with every move they were clipping into the chest. I thinks that's why they locked them in such a way. They have also fixed some part to clip less with weapons. So it's not a fix for lower end machines but a fix for better general quality. And I agree with this choice. Clipping and collision problems are the real aesthetical nightmare for graphist and modlers. edit : (in fact the long one are still clipping...) They weren't clipping that badly. Oberon clips and so to syandanas. Do they need to be locked as well? It's a terrible choice and seeing how we've dealt with it so long, I don't see how it's suddenly a problem because it never really was a real problem. If things like these are going to exist, they need to be toggeable and by default everything should be on. If you want more performance it should be up to the player to turn them off, not the other way around. Edited May 11, 2014 by Naith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkorp Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Sorry, I agree, but clipping is so ugly and so bad that they should not release new frames before a serious QA, and the new frames are so prompt to have that issue that's sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Sorry, I agree, but clipping is so ugly and so bad that they should not release new frames before a serious QA, and the new frames are so prompt to have that issue that's sad. Hydroids clipping wasn't even that bad. I'd rather have some clipping opposed to none at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megazomb Posted May 15, 2014 Author Share Posted May 15, 2014 Thanks for all the additions and fixes with 13.3.0 Honestly though, the only one I would have loved to see was not addressed – a return or option for Hydroids’ full cloth physics. Many new Hydroid users do not even realize what is missing. Sigh. I don’t mind the face physics being taken away as much as his coat-tail locked in place, because that was his best aesthetic feature imo. It was beautiful eye-candy to strafe-block either right or left and then his coat-tail flow in the opposite direction; it felt and looked like ‘next-gen’ stuff because it was/is. Apologies in advance, but I am probably going to bump this thread when updates arrive sans HCP – Hydroid Cloth Physics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 All it needs is a toggle or something. I too looked to see if this had been addressed. Surprise, it hadn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megazomb Posted May 22, 2014 Author Share Posted May 22, 2014 13.4.0 Know what’s awesome? The PS4 version of Warframe still has full Hydroid cloth physics. Know what’s not awesome? The PC version of Warframe still doesn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Draice Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 This might be a bug with a missed integration. I'll ask our QA staff to take a look. On the Development Server, all tentacles/bears/coat pieces have cloth physics like normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megazomb Posted May 23, 2014 Author Share Posted May 23, 2014 Many thanks, Draice. Glad to hear his cloth physics are still enabled in the dev build. I hope you’re correct in that it is only a missed bug. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PixalatedVortex Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 i will be happy once frost and volt finaly get there update aswell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammaion Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 This might be a bug with a missed integration. I'll ask our QA staff to take a look. On the Development Server, all tentacles/bears/coat pieces have cloth physics like normal. Finally DE has addressed this issue! I've been trying to raise awareness of this bug for ages, and I'm glad someone captured their attention! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megazomb Posted May 30, 2014 Author Share Posted May 30, 2014 13.5.0 & 13.5.1 No fix yet. Maybe next time? i will be happy once frost, trinity, vauban and volt finaly get there update aswell My version of your sentence^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megazomb Posted June 12, 2014 Author Share Posted June 12, 2014 13.6. & 13.7 Just me again. I updated the thread title. Any traction on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Still not fixed huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammaion Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Bump for justice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Draice Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 It'll be fixed in Update 14, when we bring all of our recent fixes across to Live. I haven't been able to track down whose change actually fixed the issue, so I can't ask the programmers to bring it across into a hot fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megazomb Posted June 18, 2014 Author Share Posted June 18, 2014 Thank you, Draice !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniDax Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 It'll be fixed in Update 14, when we bring all of our recent fixes across to Live. I haven't been able to track down whose change actually fixed the issue, so I can't ask the programmers to bring it across into a hot fix. So, U14 is soon-ish then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikaponi Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 It'll be fixed in Update 14, when we bring all of our recent fixes across to Live. I haven't been able to track down whose change actually fixed the issue, so I can't ask the programmers to bring it across into a hot fix. Will Frost ever get physics added to his robe, or whatever he is wearing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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