Exclusives

[ThatKrazyMiniMike]

THANK YOU- To all Commenters thank you. I understand the difference now. Nothing was said to be fully exclusive except Founders and closed beta gear. If I knew how to close this topic I would :P

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Before I start I'd like to clear this up right now. I have no bias towards this topic i'm merely curious , I hear alot about it and wonder what the magical forums think.

 

So to start off i'd like to mention the big ones first off Founders Gear-

Yes, It is exclusive I know, this Topic is a touchy one and I would like to take baby steps if I can with this.

 

I've been speaking to a few founders and they feel that Excal, Skana, and the Lato shouldn't be locked behind not only a paywall but a closed pay wall.

They wouldn't like them released though without something of a trade off...

This trade off being something of a nightmare wall. they'd want them to be almost the hardest stuff to get like Tier 6 void def/surv at 40min for a bp drop. (this alone would knock out most players and leave only the most advanced to be able to farm for it)

Not only this but they said to make it fair to them they would MUCH rather have a Founders skin COMPLETELY exclusive to founders much like the Proto armor skin was for the anniversary to any player fortunate enough to pay the 150p price. Like a new model for the original 8 frames.

They also said the only thing they'd be good with letting go is the primes...Nothing more. 

 

The next ones i'm going to bring up is Event Weapons AND Event Rewards-

 

The rule for event weapons is they stay exclusive this was true till they Brakk was released by DE in a blind side move to the event winners. 

With this being done it opened up room for discussion of previous event weapons ALSO being re-released.

 

To start off i've heard some examples of ideas to do this fairly and again keep the players running around with them to a bare minimum.

 

First off in U14 the Release of player ships is a huge deal. With this i thought maybe with the quests system previous events can pop up and random times. Have it set for 2 a year at 12 hour intervals to do said event.

Much like the previous plan, make it hard as possible to complete but still be obtainable. I.E. make it solo only no teammates can help you out.

Only the event WEAPONS can be given as rewards and in a bp form. Where you need its counter part and a material only farmable from other types of quests...

(These quests have 12 hour cycles so if you miss it you miss it)

The quest only appears client side NOT globally.

 

The reason I thought of these ideas was mainly because I was sick of the debate and wanted a resolution in which both sides would be happy with outcome.

 

As I Stated before DE made a HUGE opening/mistake in debate by releasing the brakk as a farmable drop and basically B**** slapping anyone that participated in the event and put up with those bugs match after match.

(not to mention mutation mods which now open the door for primed chamber, Cicero and Tethra mods as a drop in the game)

 

If this isn't an option why is DE knit picking what is exclusive and whats not?

Event weapons are to be exclusive by releasing one into the game and not giving any kind of reconciliation in the process.

 

Either make a rule that all event items are exclusive or give a bone to the players that lose that "exclusive item" by having it an in game drop.

 

All or Nothing-

 

Set rules 

Don't bend the rules due to a bleeding heart.

 

Im honestly questioning whats really exclusive anymore. Vandals and Wraiths are immune from this? Will Dex ever be released because a forum post whining about missing it? Only thing said to be exclusive for sure is a Hard Cash Founders Items...Even then with all this said...How can we be sure?

 

Im curious to know the communities opinions on this issue.

Please try and be respectful in the comments to everyone.

Edited May 30, 2014 by ThatKrazyMiniMike

[BrotherIcarus]

The Brakk and the Detron were never event exclusives. That is why they were later released not because people whined about it.

[(PSN)Dan_The_Noob]

I wanna see the machete make a return... really got excited about that weapon in the codex and it broke my heart to find out i couldn't get it ... but get rid of those useless freaking machete stances D: just let us use sword stances with them!

[Angius]

Founders Gear will never again be released due to legal issues. If DE would release FG again, every founder would have every right to sue them and demand their money back, because they were promised exclusive items and the items are no longer exclusive.

 

No, FG will never come back, EOT.

 

Only other rewards that are 100% exclusive are Lato Vandal that was given to every Closed Beta Tester and (I'm 90% sure) Braton Vandal that was given to all people participating in Open Beta Weekend.

 

Brakk and Detron were never promised to be exclusive. Only (semi)exclusive weapons are Wraiths, Vandals and Dex.

 

Reported for CM to observe/lock.

Edited May 27, 2014 by Angius

[Namacyst]

Founders Gear will never again be released due to legal issues. If DE would release FG again, every founder would have every right to sue them and demand their money back, because they were promised exclusive items and the items are no longer exclusive.

 

No, FG will never come back, EOT.

 

Only other rewards that are 100% exclusive are Lato Vandal that was given to every Closed Beta Tester and (I'm 90% sure) Braton Vandal that was given to all people participating in Open Beta Weekend.

 

Reported for CM to observe/lock.

 

Fixed.

 

Braton Vandal falls under the "Closed Beta only" exclusives, too and will never come back.

[Angius]

Fixed.

 

Braton Vandal falls under the "Closed Beta only" exclusives, too and will never come back.

Thank you, kind sire. I wasn't sure.

Edited May 27, 2014 by Angius

[ThatKrazyMiniMike]

The Brakk and the Detron were never event exclusives. That is why they were later released not because people whined about it.

Event Items, no one ever says they are exclusive. Event items should be and stay exclusive.

 

The Detron I though was a great addition along with the harvester. Since it wasn't officially given out as an event item due to corpus losing the gradivus dilemma.

 

The Brakk was an event weapon and should've also followed the exclusive pattern. It was brought out like an event weapon normally is, what made it so different?

 

And i'm curious on your thoughts on the mods as well another BIG issue at the moment.

 

Thanks for commenting 

[Angius]

Mods? Double Stat mods will eventually make it to Nightmare mode tables, probably when there'll be the whole set of them (Fire and Ice are still missing). as for Primed Chamber? Does it really matter? Probably only gun when it does wonders is Vectis, and sniper players in Warframe are pretty rare. Besides, it's PvE game, so it gives no advantage over other players.

[Spikey844]

Whilst I understand and sympathise with OP, I am twitchy about Founders being re released. I don't think it should be possible to get the founders gear through game play, even though I would love to have Lato and Skana Prime myself. There is also a legal problem for DE if they are made available again, so hell will freeze over before they do.

 

In regards to event weapons, I would love to get the Snipertron Vandal, but the chances are I won't be able to. The idea is not a bad one though. 

[Vyrn]

Founders gear, keep exclusive. They were promised exclusive, and they dished out some hard cash for it.

As for event weapons, I think it would be good to let people get them. At the moment, event weapons might be better than their non-event counterparts, but they aren't the weapons to end all weapons. They're just upgrades. Hek, I rarely see anyone using Wraith/Vandal weapons these days. Then again, I think I see the original weapons even less often than I see their event versions.

The only downside to making them obtainable is that the originals would become obsolete in the long run, aside from just using until you get the Wraith/Vandal version.

As for mods, they may or may not be released in time, as I'm sure the weapons will. No strong feelings on them, but I'd kinda like them to pop up in some way (not just more nightmare mods hopefully)

Also, no, this is not simply so I can get the Snipetron Vandal that was so cruely ripped from my hands >.>

[Tsukinoki]

DE has stated that event weapons will be returning in the future as they were put into a "Disney Vault" for them to pull out for future event rewards.

The mods, aside from prime chamber, have been stated to eventually make its way to the nightmare drop tables.  As for when its up to DE.

As for primed chamber he is a quote from DE Rebecca herself:

Ah, we did not say the Primed Chamber mod is Exclusive to the Drone weekend event, it was just the first time it was introduced. Sorry for the confusion there! I imagine it will appear again in future events.

So it will probably return as another top 100 type reward like the first time.

The only rewards which have been stated to never make a return are:
-Founders Gear (Lato, Skana and Excalibur Prime)
-Closed beta rewards (Lato and Braton vandal)

They never made a statement that the event rewards are permanently exclusive, and have actually stated the opposite.
When they return is all up to DE though.

[ThatKrazyMiniMike]

Founders Gear will never again be released due to legal issues. If DE would release FG again, every founder would have every right to sue them and demand their money back, because they were promised exclusive items and the items are no longer exclusive.

 

No, FG will never come back, EOT.

 

Only other rewards that are 100% exclusive are Lato Vandal that was given to every Closed Beta Tester and (I'm 90% sure) Braton Vandal that was given to all people participating in Open Beta Weekend.

 

Brakk and Detron were never promised to be exclusive. Only (semi)exclusive weapons are Wraiths, Vandals and Dex.

 

Reported for CM to observe/lock.

Did I say to reopen the Founders Gear? I was told by founders their opinion, Its a discussion on what the majority think about it. I simply put in a possible way to do it without alienating the founders entirely. 

 

As for your comment on (Semi)Exclusive items. What do you mean by this? Im pretty sure any Wraith and Vandal were promised exclusive until a stream when they spoke of they "Disney Vault Event"

 

Back to the founders subject, if the founders agreed ti release the primes in exchange for something else then DE could do so in anyway they pleased. Im not saying it was every founder who said what I said but it seems alot of founders are 50 50 on this. THeres some that DON'T want it released (Which by all means they have the right to and I partially agree to this) but there are other that would allow it in return for something...More.

 

If you can't speak on a discussion without flipping your lid about then please don't reply.

 

Theres a rule I asked for this to be respectful. and I stated in the start it was a curiosity more than anything as i can't enter a warframe chat without it coming up and frankly im tired of hearing it.

[ThatKrazyMiniMike]

Mods? Double Stat mods will eventually make it to Nightmare mode tables, probably when there'll be the whole set of them (Fire and Ice are still missing). as for Primed Chamber? Does it really matter? Probably only gun when it does wonders is Vectis, and sniper players in Warframe are pretty rare. Besides, it's PvE game, so it gives no advantage over other players.

I feel the same about primed chamber hahaa. kinda pointless with snipers being as crap as they are in terms long range damage.

 

I figured they would, alot of players up in arms about this subject and personally I don't care the event saved the farming time :P

 

Thanks for your reply

[(PSN)Dan_The_Noob]

instead of founders packs being re-released, the game should have another crowdfunding fundraiser to add more major updates if they need to, and then offer a new pack only obtainable via crowdfunding (kinda like buying plat, except helping the game itself)

[ThatKrazyMiniMike]

Whilst I understand and sympathise with OP, I am twitchy about Founders being re released. I don't think it should be possible to get the founders gear through game play, even though I would love to have Lato and Skana Prime myself. There is also a legal problem for DE if they are made available again, so hell will freeze over before they do.

 

In regards to event weapons, I would love to get the Snipertron Vandal, but the chances are I won't be able to. The idea is not a bad one though. 

 

instead of founders packs being re-released, the game should have another crowdfunding fundraiser to add more major updates if they need to, and then offer a new pack only obtainable via crowdfunding (kinda like buying plat, except helping the game itself)

Isn't that what prime access is for?

[(PSN)Dan_The_Noob]

also i hope tethras/cicero mods etc don't get introduced into the actual game as they're one of the few mods that have value left.

also I don't have cicero mods as i started well after cicero ended, but i still dont want to see them obtainable..

[ThatKrazyMiniMike]

Whilst I understand and sympathise with OP, I am twitchy about Founders being re released. I don't think it should be possible to get the founders gear through game play, even though I would love to have Lato and Skana Prime myself. There is also a legal problem for DE if they are made available again, so hell will freeze over before they do.

 

In regards to event weapons, I would love to get the Snipertron Vandal, but the chances are I won't be able to. The idea is not a bad one though. 

Yeah, They said the same about it. In order for it to work every founder would have to get to a compromise and DE would have to a signed list to prevent blowback. 

 

Well, a livestream said a "disney vault event" So im curious as to how they planned to do so.

 

Also, if not gameplay wise then how would you do it? ust curious

[ThatKrazyMiniMike]

also i hope tethras/cicero mods etc don't get introduced into the actual game as they're one of the few mods that have value left.

also I don't have cicero mods as i started well after cicero ended, but i still dont want to see them obtainable..

Well, in my opinion if they choose to leave them exclusive to the event then theres enough players with them to have them in circulation. The prices might increase but i guess in some way that helps DE :P

[ThatKrazyMiniMike]

 

DE has stated that event weapons will be returning in the future as they were put into a "Disney Vault" for them to pull out for future event rewards.

The mods, aside from prime chamber, have been stated to eventually make its way to the nightmare drop tables.  As for when its up to DE.

As for primed chamber he is a quote from DE Rebecca herself:

 

So it will probably return as another top 100 type reward like the first time.

The only rewards which have been stated to never make a return are:

-Founders Gear (Lato, Skana and Excalibur Prime)

-Closed beta rewards (Lato and Braton vandal)

They never made a statement that the event rewards are permanently exclusive, and have actually stated the opposite.

When they return is all up to DE though.

 

That's wonderful :o

 

I myself took a leave from the game around the time of the snipetron vandal and indeed feel the pain from doing so.

 

As for the founders deal, I wonder if founders would actually prefer a founders skin for the original 8 frames rather than just having excal prime? Changing the model entirely and changing the frame name in a lobby to show of even more hahaa.

 

Founders Loki Skin, Or Nyx...That'd be sick

Let's be perfectly honest not everyone likes excal prime including founders I hear it alot "Just using him to show off for a bit" maybe make these skins do what excal prime does and give all frames a shield recharge increase while still doing whats listed above? I don't know just brain storming.

 

Thanks for your reply though it does help me when I go in game and have hard proof to end the debate quickly and continue goofing off vs debating all game...

[ThatKrazyMiniMike]

Fixed.

 

Braton Vandal falls under the "Closed Beta only" exclusives, too and will never come back.

That's pretty good to hear. I was always told all event weapons were exclusive so thats really nice to know if a debate in game breaks out to shut it down quickly.

 

Thanks for the response.

[BrotherIcarus]

Event Items, no one ever says they are exclusive. Event items should be and stay exclusive.

 

The Detron I though was a great addition along with the harvester. Since it wasn't officially given out as an event item due to corpus losing the gradivus dilemma.

 

The Brakk was an event weapon and should've also followed the exclusive pattern. It was brought out like an event weapon normally is, what made it so different?

 

And i'm curious on your thoughts on the mods as well another BIG issue at the moment.

 

Thanks for commenting 

The mods should only be timed exclusives, they should be released to everyone eventually.

 

But the Brakk was not an event exclusive, sure it was handed out in the same way as event weapons but there is one major difference between it and every actual event weapon in the game it was not a Vandal/wraith it also was a completely new weapon. These are what makes the Brakk not an event weapon, you could also argue that the fact that it can be obtained after the event ended as proof that it is not an event weapon. 

[Namacyst]

 

DE has stated that event weapons will be returning in the future as they were put into a "Disney Vault" for them to pull out for future event rewards.

The mods, aside from prime chamber, have been stated to eventually make its way to the nightmare drop tables.  As for when its up to DE.

As for primed chamber he is a quote from DE Rebecca herself:

 

"Quote here"

So it will probably return as another top 100 type reward like the first time.

The only rewards which have been stated to never make a return are:

-Founders Gear (Lato, Skana and Excalibur Prime)

-Closed beta rewards (Lato and Braton vandal)

They never made a statement that the event rewards are permanently exclusive, and have actually stated the opposite.

When they return is all up to DE though.

 

 

You should've included the timestamp of REbeccas Quote so we all can have a good laugh. How long ago was it? 6-7 Months? Still nothing.

[ThatKrazyMiniMike]

Founders gear, keep exclusive. They were promised exclusive, and they dished out some hard cash for it.

As for event weapons, I think it would be good to let people get them. At the moment, event weapons might be better than their non-event counterparts, but they aren't the weapons to end all weapons. They're just upgrades. Hek, I rarely see anyone using Wraith/Vandal weapons these days. Then again, I think I see the original weapons even less often than I see their event versions.

The only downside to making them obtainable is that the originals would become obsolete in the long run, aside from just using until you get the Wraith/Vandal version.

As for mods, they may or may not be released in time, as I'm sure the weapons will. No strong feelings on them, but I'd kinda like them to pop up in some way (not just more nightmare mods hopefully)

Also, no, this is not simply so I can get the Snipetron Vandal that was so cruely ripped from my hands >.>

most of the weapons are scrapped anyway for a better one. Might as well allow them access to its more powerful counterpart. 

Not to mention its not like they appear daily 2 times a year keep the pool down, and making it single player only keep sit even lower.

 

As for the founders gear, I agree they dished a ton of money out for it. However even most founders would like more from it than they got.

[Namacyst]

That's pretty good to hear. I was always told all event weapons were exclusive so thats really nice to know if a debate in game breaks out to shut it down quickly.

 

Thanks for the response.

 

Braton Vandal wasn't a Event Weapon so it's excluded. First and only Vandal Event Weapon was the Snipetron Vandal. All the other Vandals were closed beta exclusives. No closed beta = no Braton/Lato Vandal. It's that easy.

[ThatKrazyMiniMike]

The mods should only be timed exclusives, they should be released to everyone eventually.

 

But the Brakk was not an event exclusive, sure it was handed out in the same way as event weapons but there is one major difference between it and every actual event weapon in the game it was not a Vandal/wraith it also was a completely new weapon. These are what makes the Brakk not an event weapon, you could also argue that the fact that it can be obtained after the event ended as proof that it is not an event weapon. 

This is true. 

 

I still feel DE should've gave some warning before the blind side though. It was arguably too soon to be released :P