Ishki88 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) I will have details in about 5 minutes. From the numbers I'm getting. The best Combo is Blind Rage + Intensify WITHOUT Steel Charge. Edit # 1 >These test were done without Steel Charge. Test Subject: Grineer Butcher Lvl 5 Test Mode: Solo. Edit # 2 I added a picture with Blind Rage + INT + Steel Charge. And as you can see, Valk does LESS damage with all 3 mods. Something isn't right here. Edit # 3 Added Steel Charge Only Edited July 19, 2014 by Ishki88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandr_ Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Mind supplying pics? That's really interesting and I wanna see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petersheikah Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Wow that's great! I'll save 30 mod points. She got insanely buffed, and shes my favourite frame! #Valkyr #Masterrace Just Kidding... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishki88 Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 Mind supplying pics? That's really interesting and I wanna see Will do. Either way you have to take my word for it. The only way to really tell is if I do a recording. But your wish is my command. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man_In_Suitcase Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) Please correct me if I'm wrong, but strength mods haven't ever buffed Hysteria http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Hysteria Edited July 19, 2014 by jell09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishki88 Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 Something weird is going on......wait until I'm done with this test :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KairaSilvermist Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I only have ONE V slot left on my Valkyr, and Rage is sittin' pretty in it. 4 Forma's on Valk, added one Line, two D, and changed her aura to a D. Lotta work into making her not killable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishki88 Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 Pictures added. If you want me to do a test with Steel Charge + BR+INTS, let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSDAkatsuki Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Wait so does steel charge affect hysteria as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishki88 Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 Added another picture. Something is off with how the game calculate all 3 mods. I'm going to add 2 more screenshots showing Hysteria ONLY with Steel Charge and without. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man_In_Suitcase Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) Mmm it is weird, did you run the test offline? And what melee are you using? People have been reporting that some weapons aren't doing the same damage as before, and Mirage's halls of mirrors is buffed by the host when playing with others. Could just be server issues. I'd wait till things are back to normal before any serious tests are done, but interesting nevertheless. Edited July 19, 2014 by jell09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octoknightx Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Please correct me if I'm wrong, but strength mods haven't ever buffed Hysteria http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Hysteria This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishki88 Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) This No THIS was edited AFTER U13. After U13 Blind Rage and INTENSIFY did not work with Valk. Please do not throw links around in my thread and pretend you know what the heck you're talkin about. Specially when I just proved THIS wrong. >_> Mmm it is weird, did you run the test offline? And what melee are you using? People have been reporting that some weapons aren't doing the same damage as before, and Mirage's halls of mirrors is buffed by the host when playing with others. Could just be server issues. I'd wait till things are back to normal before any serious tests are done, but interesting nevertheless. Solo Mode. Dragon Nikana. Valk and Mirage are too different frames with totally different damage multipliers. What serious test? You mean DE actually doing these test? You realize they haven't tested this since she was created? The last test they did and actually talked about was the fact removing Intensify and Blind Rage was on purpose...to do further test....and that's the last word we've heard from them... Edit: So you want an "online" test. Got ya. Actually I won't. By doing that I would have to ask everyone what Aura's they are using to make sure it doesn't sway my test. And I don't think I need to go that far. I could ask my clan, but I proved my point. The fact that she still multipliers that her ULT reflects over was the point of my topic. Since people think the mods don't change anything. And clearly they do. Sadly, I don't know what DE is trying to do with her damage and I don't think they know either right now. Either way I found the best combo for her in the mean time. Maybe Grineeer or whoever will give her another look. Once again they purposely removed Blind Rage and Intensify from effecting her Hysteria ever since Update 13. You can read whatever your heart wishes on Wiki, it doesn't matter. Currently now as of today, Hysteria is effected by those mods. And it seems her mutliplier isn't straight-forward enough for the players to really form a optimal and concrete build with her. Edited July 19, 2014 by Ishki88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man_In_Suitcase Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) You did take into consideration that Hystria is now affected by the melee combo right? Oh btw they's no need to be perdantic, relax lol. Edited July 19, 2014 by jell09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishki88 Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) You did take into consideration that Hystria is now affected by the melee combo right? Do you even know what you're trying to conclude to? If I did take that into consideration, please tell us how that changes my results. Because what you're asking for is completely different than what I'm proving. Edit: Another thing interesting.....if you're playing a public game, and someone happens to have SC Aura. You will actually do less grey damage than the picture I posted above. The funny thing is, you will do more crit damage though. I might be reaching when I saw this but it seems like SC Aura might play more of a role in her Crit damage. Edited July 20, 2014 by Ishki88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliblabla Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) Hi have done a couple of tests myself. I made them on venus DSS on infested 20. juily 2014. I have been using a low duration setup (fleeting expertise) and only be doing singe shots waiting for hysteria to run of , killing mobs with my rifle for 20s and then launched hysteria again. First you get a 200% damage boost in the first second of hysteria so i waited for a couple of second to start my test. PS deactivating autotarget is useful Weapon layout normal hit critical hit dual ichor empty 391 1173 dragon nikana empty 485 971 dragon nikana pressure point 679 1359 dragon nikana empty + Fury 485 971 dragon nikana Steel charge 583 1166 dragon nikana spoiled strike 647 1294 dragon nikana empty + intensify 534 1068 dragon nikana empty + blind rage rank 7 601 1203 dragon nikana channeling + Killing Blow + reflex coil 728 1456 dragon nikana Molten impact 485 971 dragon nikana empty + channling 728 1456 dragon nikana smite infested rank 2 485 971 dragon nikana jagged edge 485 971 dragon nikana organ shatter 485 1844 dragon nikana pressure point + spoiled strike 841 1681 machete empty 372 558 machete empty + blind range rang 7 406 609 dragon nikana pressure point + spoiled strike + steel charge + intesify + blind rage lvl 7 2342 8901 so my conclusions are : 1) the more basis damage your weapon does the more basis damage hysteria does (hysteria damage = 325 + 1.89* base weapon damage) 2) the more crit damage your weapon has the more crit damage hysteria does (same multiplier) organ shatter work 3) Pressure point, Spoiled strike, steel charge, intensify, blind rage work 4) channeling gives you a damage buff, channeling efficiency mods work but channeling damage mods don't work hysteria damage = 325 + 1.89 * power strength multiplier * weapon damage PS this means that you are actually close to the stealth buff with blind rage and intensify this means that i actually couldn't reproduce what you are saying. The steel charge damage modification i observe is not the same than yours. Do you mind testing again just the steel charge? never know if they fix something in those hot fixes without telling every thing Edited July 20, 2014 by Aliblabla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSDAkatsuki Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Thanks guys, so it seems dual ichors are the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mostlyerror Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) Could DE just tell us WTH is happening with Hysteria? This is one of the only frame that has such an odd mechanic to test. Especially when being told inconsistent things. Did DE reverse their decision about power strength mods? Or is it a bug they will quash. Does crit on weapon matter? or only crit mods affecting the innate crit of hysteria. Attack speed seems to have been removed as a factor. DE, we don't know how this works, at all, and the things we were told are no longer accurate apparently. If you are going to change the mechanic of a frame so dramatically each update, please provide details. And for the last 3 updates it has changed. Power str mods goooood U12, Bad U13, Gooood update 14 whether intended or not. Hysteria is even cooler than before, but no other frame, to my knowlege, has an ability so heavily dependant not only on the frame mods, but also a weapon mod load out. So many variable, just give us the DL :) Thanks for the hard work DE Chris EDIT: What about reach? So I can kill those damn ospreys. Edited July 20, 2014 by mostlyerror Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spireguy Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I would love to find out more information about this. I would like to know what I should be focusing on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waftycrank Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I have no idea what Hysteria is doing anymore #shrugs# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monolake Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Hi have done a couple of tests myself. I made them on venus DSS on infested 20. juily 2014. I have been using a low duration setup (fleeting expertise) and only be doing singe shots waiting for hysteria to run of , killing mobs with my rifle for 20s and then launched hysteria again. First you get a 200% damage boost in the first second of hysteria so i waited for a couple of second to start my test. PS deactivating autotarget is useful Weapon layout normal hit critical hit dual ichor empty 391 1173 dragon nikana empty 485 971 dragon nikana pressure point 679 1359 dragon nikana empty + Fury 485 971 dragon nikana Steel charge 583 1166 dragon nikana spoiled strike 647 1294 dragon nikana empty + intensify 534 1068 dragon nikana empty + blind rage rank 7 601 1203 dragon nikana channeling + Killing Blow + reflex coil 728 1456 dragon nikana Molten impact 485 971 dragon nikana empty + channling 728 1456 dragon nikana smite infested rank 2 485 971 dragon nikana jagged edge 485 971 dragon nikana organ shatter 485 1844 dragon nikana pressure point + spoiled strike 841 1681 machete empty 372 558 machete empty + blind range rang 7 406 609 dragon nikana pressure point + spoiled strike + steel charge + intesify + blind rage lvl 7 2342 8901 so my conclusions are : 1) the more basis damage your weapon does the more basis damage hysteria does (hysteria damage = 325 + 1.89* base weapon damage) 2) the more crit damage your weapon has the more crit damage hysteria does (same multiplier) organ shatter work 3) Pressure point, Spoiled strike, steel charge, intensify, blind rage work 4) channeling gives you a damage buff, channeling efficiency mods work but channeling damage mods don't work hysteria damage = 325 + 1.89 * power strength multiplier * weapon damage PS this means that you are actually close to the stealth buff with blind rage and intensify this means that i actually couldn't reproduce what you are saying. The steel charge damage modification i observe is not the same than yours. Do you mind testing again just the steel charge? never know if they fix something in those hot fixes without telling every thing Thanks for these detailed tests! Seems like Hysterya is back to what it was before melee 2.0, base damage+crit of the weapons and base damage+crit mods are affecting it the most, and power mods and Steel charge have less effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderius Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 A question comes to mind as to if it's base damage, or a calculation of "damage per second" calculated on the weapon. I guess I can do some calculating later tonight. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but strength mods haven't ever buffed Hysteria http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Hysteria Yeah, and Hysteria didn't have a combo counter before, either. The ability changed. So... how it was before doesn't really have any bearing on it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishki88 Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 Hi have done a couple of tests myself. I made them on venus DSS on infested 20. juily 2014. I have been using a low duration setup (fleeting expertise) and only be doing singe shots waiting for hysteria to run of , killing mobs with my rifle for 20s and then launched hysteria again. First you get a 200% damage boost in the first second of hysteria so i waited for a couple of second to start my test. PS deactivating autotarget is useful Weapon layout normal hit critical hit dual ichor empty 391 1173 dragon nikana empty 485 971 dragon nikana pressure point 679 1359 dragon nikana empty + Fury 485 971 dragon nikana Steel charge 583 1166 dragon nikana spoiled strike 647 1294 dragon nikana empty + intensify 534 1068 dragon nikana empty + blind rage rank 7 601 1203 dragon nikana channeling + Killing Blow + reflex coil 728 1456 dragon nikana Molten impact 485 971 dragon nikana empty + channling 728 1456 dragon nikana smite infested rank 2 485 971 dragon nikana jagged edge 485 971 dragon nikana organ shatter 485 1844 dragon nikana pressure point + spoiled strike 841 1681 machete empty 372 558 machete empty + blind range rang 7 406 609 dragon nikana pressure point + spoiled strike + steel charge + intesify + blind rage lvl 7 2342 8901 so my conclusions are : 1) the more basis damage your weapon does the more basis damage hysteria does (hysteria damage = 325 + 1.89* base weapon damage) 2) the more crit damage your weapon has the more crit damage hysteria does (same multiplier) organ shatter work 3) Pressure point, Spoiled strike, steel charge, intensify, blind rage work 4) channeling gives you a damage buff, channeling efficiency mods work but channeling damage mods don't work hysteria damage = 325 + 1.89 * power strength multiplier * weapon damage PS this means that you are actually close to the stealth buff with blind rage and intensify this means that i actually couldn't reproduce what you are saying. The steel charge damage modification i observe is not the same than yours. Do you mind testing again just the steel charge? never know if they fix something in those hot fixes without telling every thing I would but after what you said I'm done. It's just time for DE to go into detail. Can't do this @$ no more. Also you probably couldn't replicate my numbers because I never posted my Nikana set-up. And sadly I don't have the same set up any more :/ Thanks for the information though, 1 million thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliblabla Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 yeah its annoying that you have to test after each update how hysteria is working just because de change without saying something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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