OmegaDrago Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) Suda reminds me of Hermaeus Mora from elderscrolls but less gross looking and no tendrils and the eyes (shivers) those freaking eyes. Edited October 22, 2014 by OmegaDrago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankHunter678 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 As far as I know, Cthulu (and well Lovecraft in general) was all about Inevitability and Futility. All things come to an end. All actions are meaningless. Everything is pointless in the grand scheme of things. The endless deaths, victories, and defeats of infinite wars, the endless peace of infinite empires, nations, states, towns, families, and individuals are all utterly pointless and meaningless. All will be lost and nothing can be retained. Lessons learned are lessons that will be lost. Suda's actions are just the usual refusal to accept that universal truth. Though frankly, that refusal does make us feel better about ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicConcord Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 unless something huge tells me otherwise, i'm going with Suda. I think Suda is awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 ... Nice story. Doesn't stop the old man from dying and the General from tearing the village down for whatever value it had. Overcoming fear of the battle, of the death it may bring, means nothing if you perish and the enemy succeeds in what they are after. The only victory the village could achieve is if they fought - maybe not on a field of battle, but they need to strike back against their foes. To fight, to strive for victory and overthrow their oppressors no matter what it takes. The Veil is the village I have just described, it is the village that has a chance of making something of the world they are in - not just becoming a parable in someone else's story. THAT is TRUE victory. In your eyes perhaps... but what do you think it means that we are discussing that event right now? Our knowledge of the zen master's example empowers us to look death in the face just like he did, and brings to light a different kind of power that the Grineer's hordes and the Corpus' science and money can never bend. And this is Suda's victory. Knowledge can not be killed. It can not be destroyed. It can only grow, and be transmitted. The tragedy of the loss of a man, a village, a world, a civilization, is greatly offset by the preservation of the knowledge in their lessons. Without knowing where your enemy stands, you can't defeat them. Without knowing the art of the sword, all your might is useless. Without knowing yourself, you will be dominated. Not even the zealous Veil can achieve victory without knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morec0 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 In your eyes perhaps... but what do you think it means that we are discussing that event right now? Our knowledge of the zen master's example empowers us to look death in the face just like he did, and brings to light a different kind of power that the Grineer's hordes and the Corpus' science and money can never bend. And this is Suda's victory. Knowledge can not be killed. It can not be destroyed. It can only grow, and be transmitted. The tragedy of the loss of a man, a village, a world, a civilization, is greatly offset by the preservation of the knowledge in their lessons. Without knowing where your enemy stands, you can't defeat them. Without knowing the art of the sword, all your might is useless. Without knowing yourself, you will be dominated. Not even the zealous Veil can achieve victory without knowledge. But knowledge itself cannot with a war. You can know everything. You can have the information on your enemy. The enemy may be stronger, the enemy may have greater numbers, but if you refuse to take action you will lose no matter what. And that is Suda's failing: she will learn, she will collect, but she will not act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brimir Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 But knowledge itself cannot with a war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 But knowledge itself cannot with a war. You can know everything. You can have the information on your enemy. The enemy may be stronger, the enemy may have greater numbers, but if you refuse to take action you will lose no matter what. And that is Suda's failing: she will learn, she will collect, but she will not act. Perhaps Suda is not fighting a war. And if she's reaching out to the Tenno who will listen, she is already taking action to collect and preserve; that is her battle. We have yet to see what she intends to do with this knowledge, but I expect that every sentient being on the Origin system will be able to benefit from Suda's actions. (By the way, when did we decide Suda's a she? Though it does stick to the tongue...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixty5 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 All i get from the descriptions of the syndicates is a desire to learn more about them DE pls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)MoRockaPDX Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) Well, the discussion started with me comparing the "conciousness" behind the Syndicate reminding me of a Lovecraft deity, albeit a benevolent one whereas actual Lovecraft beings are generally either indifferent or outright malevolent towards humanity. "Benevolent" and "Lovecraftian" are mutually exclusive qualities. There was no benevolence found in anything or anybody from outside in Lovecraft. Period. The best you could hope for was to pass beneath notice and be ignored. The theme of the Elder Gods opposing the Great Old Ones was a product of August Derleth. It didn't exist in Lovecraft's works. The fundmental difference between Lovecraft and Derleth was Lovecraft viewed his universe as essentially amoral. Derleth brought Christian optimism to it, though it was essentially still a grim place. ^This Nodens begs to differ. He definitely saved Carter. The Dream Cycle is from Lovecraft's, Dunsany phase. Also, at best Nodens was at odds with Nyarlathotep, which makes him indifferent in general, but opportunistic. Carter, was likely just lucky he fell under, the enemy of my enemy, pragmatism. Not necessarily. The Great Race of Yith (The Shadow Out of Time) definitely did seem friendly. Alien and creepy, but friendly. The maintenance of Peabody while his mind was exchanged with a Yithian was also pretty pragmatic. Though they didn't need to give him free reign to move or access to their stores of knowledge, seeing as he wasn't supposed to remember anything. It maybe was just the best way to put him at ease, and prevent him from harming the Yithian vessel he inhabited. Indifferent would be the best that could be said about the yith and only for humans, for one they liked to cast the consciousness of whole races en masse to face their ends for them so they could continue living. It's doubtful that the bodies described for them in the shadow out of time were their first and from the same story they weren't their last. Besides all that the yith would not rank high enough to be classified as deities, more like the migo or the elder things. Even cthulhu wasn't worshipped by anything but misguided humans and was only notable in being the highest ranking member of his race on earth. "Great cthulhu is their cousin but even he can spy them only dimly" Agreed Well, the thing about Lovecraftian "deities" is that they aren't really deities as we would define them. They are just too alien and seemingly too powerful for us to refer to them as anything less than gods - but so would insects perceive us humans. Cthulhu didn't really have any magic or anything in the original story, he was just... alien... in every sense of the word. Some are distinctly malevolent though. Cthulhu seems rather eager to kill/eat/whatever to the humans that wake him. Yes. Lovecraft's mythos is a pseudomythology. They are aliens, and extra-dimenional beings perceived to be gods by humans, and humanoids. Some, of these entities seem to indulge this practice, while others are completely indifferent or incapable of anything recognizable as consciousness. Hell, some you could describe and cancer run rampant by some manifold factor. Edited February 12, 2015 by (PS4)MoRockaPDX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)IIIDevoidIII Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Mother Suda is love. Mother Suda is life. Flitting, fleeting; a white dove, Filling the world rife, Falling endlessly, our eyes, in front of. Cheering until pain, Laughing until stoked, Mother Suda binds us by chain. Together, forever, until croaked, The love circle shall never wane. Mother Suda cares for all. Mother Suda gives for every. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Chip_Foamy Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) Sorry Suda, but when it comes to Lovecraftian abominations I prefer mine japanese style. Edited February 12, 2015 by (PS4)Chip_Foamy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elele Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Anyone else getting that feeling when they read the description of said Syndicate? A Lovecraftian god doesn't care about knowledge or have an abhorrence of violence. A Lovecraftian god just doesn't give a damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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