vaugahn Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) I know what I want. I want good weapons and not so good weapons. What do you want ? I want similar choices to be equally viable. You're basically just making stuff up. Hey, there's another logical fallacy! Making up your opponent's position and then attacking the made up position instead of the actual one is generally frowned upon. Edited April 20, 2015 by vaugahn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechNexus Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I want similar choices to be equally viable. You're basically just making stiff up. Hey, there's another logical fallacy! Making up your opponent's position and then attacking the made up position instead of the actual one is generally frowned upon. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)WiiConquered Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Now we have bugatti vayerons soon hopefully we will have something better Pover creap is lvl 60 nulli for example...as well Level 60 nullifier is an example of overreliance on scaling (that should be as high as it goes). Nuliifiers are an example of how our power is so out of control DE doesn't even know how to challenge us with it without taking it away, and an example that powercreep does change the game as a whole. Neither are reasons that powercreep is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)thehoocodfather Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) Power creep for enemies = good. Power creep for us as regards the weapons we use to fight those enemies = bad. Oh yeah, logical indeed. And nullifiers power creep is nothing to do with our weapons being OP, its to do with abilities augment mods. Edited April 20, 2015 by (PS4)thehoocodfather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Power creep for enemies = good. Power creep for us as regards the weapons we use to fight those enemies = bad. Oh yeah, logical indeed. Who said power creep for enemies was good? Oh, wait, we're just making stuff up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)thehoocodfather Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 I want similar choices to be equally viable. You're basically just making stuff up. Hey, there's another logical fallacy! Making up your opponent's position and then attacking the made up position instead of the actual one is generally frowned upon. You want mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Power creep for enemies = good. Power creep for us as regards the weapons we use to fight those enemies = bad. Oh yeah, logical indeed. No one said powercreep for enemies was good. You just made it up on the spot. You want mediocrity. Annnd you're still not getting it. Why does this seem like a trend for people who dislike nerfs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)thehoocodfather Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 Who said power creep for enemies was good? Oh, wait, we're just making stuff up again. So you dont want power creep, and you want all weapons to be the same. I am sooooooo glad you are happy with the game just as it is, as using your 'logic' its all we will get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechNexus Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 No one said powercreep for enemies was good. You just made it up on the spot. Annnd you're still not getting it. Why does this seem like a trend for people who dislike nerfs? How many times has he said that now, despite us repeatedly saying it's not the case and saying why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)thehoocodfather Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 No one said powercreep for enemies was good. You just made it up on the spot. Annnd you're still not getting it. Why does this seem like a trend for people who dislike nerfs? Why do you think that ; 1) You are qualified to define a weapon as OP 2) to decide what is balance 3) to demand a weapon be nerfed What are your qualifications for those three things ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Why do you think that ; 1) You are qualified to define a weapon as OP 2) to decide what is balance 3) to demand a weapon be nerfed What are your qualifications for those three things ? What are your qualifications to ask for the opposite? Are you still going to continue to beat around the bush in regards to why you have no actual concept of game balance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)thehoocodfather Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 How many times has he said that now, despite us repeatedly saying it's not the case and saying why? And how many time do i have to define the OBVIOUS to you ? It is not me, or us,. imposing power creep. Power creep is being imposed by DE. You just want us to ignore it. Or even worse, you want to ensure we remain victims of it, by constantly demanding nerfs on the only weapons that can counteract that power creep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 You want mediocrity. What part of "you can't just make up an argument to defeat" doesn't make sense to you. Stop running in circles. Address the damn point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)thehoocodfather Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 What are your qualifications to ask for the opposite? Are you still going to continue to beat around the bush in regards to why you have no actual concept of game balance? I am not asking for balance. Did you miss that bit ? I want powerful guns because, as you apparently appear to have missed the completely obvious, that the game is headed in the direction of power creep. You just want us to stay on the wrong side of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)thehoocodfather Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 What part of "you can't just make up an argument to defeat" doesn't make sense to you. Stop running in circles. Address the damn point. You dont get the point. Okay. I shall stop trying to explain it to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I want powerful guns because, as you apparently appear to have missed the completely obvious, that the game is headed in the direction of power creep. You just want us to stay on the wrong side of it. So you admit that the game has powercreep, and also admit that it continues to be a trend... and yet you want even more powerful weapons that continue to exacerbate it, yet asking for balance is the wrong side? I'm in awe. Truly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechNexus Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 People ask for nerfs to prevent enemy power creep from happening in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)WiiConquered Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 You dont get the point. Okay. I shall stop trying to explain it to you. To be clear Vaugahn: the point is there is no point. AKA the point is you're getting trolled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) You dont get the point. Okay. I shall stop trying to explain it to you. And now we're just running away, rather than running in circles. So, let's recap your position: Fabricate arguments to defeat, then run away when I'm called on it. Wow. Good job. To be clear Vaugahn: the point is there is no point. AKA the point is you're getting trolled. I know. I don't care. Edited April 20, 2015 by vaugahn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 People ask for nerfs to prevent enemy power creep from happening in the first place. This is precisely it. More powerful weapons means we also need more powerful enemies to keep things from becoming completely trivial. Nerfing things means we don't have to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)thehoocodfather Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 The game enters period of power creep. ( Nullifiers, Infested Tar Moas etc, Manics and Riot Moas ) So the Nerfers demand our weapons are nerfed. Oh yeah. Pure genius. Here we see their 'balance' in action. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 The game enters period of power creep. ( Nullifiers, Infested Tar Moas etc, Manics and Riot Moas ) So the Nerfers demand our weapons are nerfed. Oh yeah. Pure genius. Here we see their 'balance' in action. Thanks. As explained previously, powerful weapons means we need powerful enemies so we don't just steamroll through everything. Powercreep works in both directions. Balance means you don't have to crank up enemy difficulty, something you continue to miss by miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)thehoocodfather Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 So you admit that the game has powercreep, and also admit that it continues to be a trend... and yet you want even more powerful weapons that continue to exacerbate it, yet asking for balance is the wrong side? I'm in awe. Truly. So as power creep is imposed, you want guns nerfed. I am in awe. Really. And you call that balance. Its like. Amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)thehoocodfather Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 As explained previously, powerful weapons means we need powerful enemies so we don't just steamroll through everything. Powercreep works in both directions. Balance means you don't have to crank up enemy difficulty, something you continue to miss by miles. This may come as a shpck. Synoid, Kohm etc Been nerfed. Tar Moas. Manics, Riot Moas, Nullifiers. Not going away. They are here to stay. And so are we. With our weaker guns. Thanks to people like you. Pure genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 So as power creep is imposed, you want guns nerfed. I am in awe. Really. And you call that balance. Its like. Amazing. You don't get how powercreep works, do you? Because it's becoming readily apparent that you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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