Namacyst Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 ...are as common as Artifacts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoRDxDeMoN Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 You don't have a level 30 Vauban yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAWGUNITALPHA Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 There were two? I missed both alerts then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namacyst Posted May 21, 2013 Author Share Posted May 21, 2013 (edited) You don't have a level 30 Vauban yet? Nope, i chose to wait and get him from Alerts because thats way more awesome and he's not worth 300 plat imho...besides...any idiot can buy him for plat ;) There were two? I missed both alerts then... Nope just one Alert so far. What i meant was "2 out of 3 BP Parts of Vauban share Artefact rarity within the '?' Alert RNG pool" (the last Helmet rarity). Edited May 21, 2013 by Namacyst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAWGUNITALPHA Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Oh. Well you know, nothing but artifacts show up while I'm awake. No vauban BPs so there's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Un1ted Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Is the appreciation of irony and sarcasm dead in this forum? When the outcry over Vauban blueprints being "?" Alerts-only, we were assured by the devs that they would be as common as Artifact alerts. Well, they're NOT common as artifacts. We WANT to believe they are, but they aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namacyst Posted May 21, 2013 Author Share Posted May 21, 2013 Is the appreciation of irony and sarcasm dead in this forum? When the outcry over Vauban blueprints being "?" Alerts-only, we were assured by the devs that they would be as common as Artifact alerts. Well, they're NOT common as artifacts. We WANT to believe they are, but they aren't. Atleast one got the point ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argoms Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 I always have the same thing to say on alerts, so here's all the other threads that share similar views. tl;dr: alerts system is flawed (as a method of content distribution) and needs changing. https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/44923-why-the-alerts-system-needs-changing/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/47142-alert-mission-overhauling/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/47421-suggestion-change-alerts-to-tenno-research/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/45916-fixing-alerts-101/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/46894-the-current-drop-system-and-how-to-improve-it/?hl=alert#entry476412 https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/46953-not-ok-with-the-alert-system/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/46773-remove-or-overhaul-alert-system/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/45414-suggestion-token-alerts-instead-of-alerts/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/45386-selectable-rewards-from-alerts-probably-treading-old-ground-here/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/45200-idea-completing-an-alert-mission-gives-intel-on-enemy-activity/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/48203-why-i-think-the-alert-system-needs-to-change/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/48254-vauban-drop-is-kind-of-unfair/?p=494511 https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/48150-omg/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/48036-oh-man-just-my-luck-xd/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/48235-and-2-of-vaubans-parts-in-alerts/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namacyst Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 I always have the same thing to say on alerts, so here's all the other threads that share similar views. tl;dr: alerts system is flawed (as a method of content distribution) and needs changing. https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/44923-why-the-alerts-system-needs-changing/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/47142-alert-mission-overhauling/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/47421-suggestion-change-alerts-to-tenno-research/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/45916-fixing-alerts-101/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/46894-the-current-drop-system-and-how-to-improve-it/?hl=alert#entry476412 https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/46953-not-ok-with-the-alert-system/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/46773-remove-or-overhaul-alert-system/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/45414-suggestion-token-alerts-instead-of-alerts/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/45386-selectable-rewards-from-alerts-probably-treading-old-ground-here/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/45200-idea-completing-an-alert-mission-gives-intel-on-enemy-activity/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/48203-why-i-think-the-alert-system-needs-to-change/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/48254-vauban-drop-is-kind-of-unfair/?p=494511 https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/48150-omg/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/48036-oh-man-just-my-luck-xd/ https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/48235-and-2-of-vaubans-parts-in-alerts/ Alert system is fine... YOU on the other hand are really annoying. Spamming your opinion in every Thread with slightly the same Topic is the same "forcefull whining" which intent it is.. not to change stuff that's wrong, broken or flawed but change things one player or a small group can't accept, understand or live with. Last examples: Braton Buff, Rhino Nerf. That's pathetic. I love Alerts.. i just don't love DE's way of setting dropchances in their RNG system, Alerts or normal Drops alike (Thunderbolt dropchance is broken). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaKicks Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) Is the appreciation of irony and sarcasm dead in this forum? When the outcry over Vauban blueprints being "?" Alerts-only, we were assured by the devs that they would be as common as Artifact alerts. Well, they're NOT common as artifacts. We WANT to believe they are, but they aren't. Looked up alert rewards and fixed the math appropriately They probably are equal odds... Alert Rewards (4) Cosmetic Weapon-Skin Blueprints (13) Alternate Helmet Blueprints Ceramic Dagger Blueprint Dark Dagger Blueprint Heat Dagger Blueprint Dark Sword Blueprint Heat Sword Blueprint Jaw Sword Blueprint Pangolin Sword Blueprint Plasma Sword Blueprint Glaive Blueprint Orokin Catalyst Blueprint Orokin Reactor Blueprint (10) Artifacts (3) Vauban Components Blueprints That's 41 total items.So the odds of getting the exact item you want are 1 in 41, or 2.4% But because there are 10 artifacts, if you clump them together you have 24% chance of getting an artifact. If you clump the Vauban bps together you have a 7% chance of getting one. So what most players are doing is looking at the 24% and 7% and deciding that the odds are not equal. When in reality you have exactly the same chance of getting a specific reward - 2.4%. Edited May 22, 2013 by Akivoodoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KageNoShini Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 i guess that eighth ? one can be the blank alerts, which happen more often than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaKicks Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) Looks like there are a lot more rewards than I remembered in writing that post... Alert Rewards (4) Cosmetic Weapon-Skin Blueprints (13) Alternate Helmet Blueprints Ceramic Dagger Blueprint Dark Dagger Blueprint Heat Dagger Blueprint Dark Sword Blueprint Heat Sword Blueprint Jaw Sword Blueprint Pangolin Sword Blueprint Plasma Sword Blueprint Glaive Blueprint Orokin Catalyst Blueprint Orokin Reactor Blueprint (10) Artifacts (3) Vauban Components Blueprints Edited my original post to suit. Edited May 22, 2013 by Akivoodoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namacyst Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 You know that not every item(type) within the reward list has the same chance of appearing? Rarity: Orokin Reactor/Catalyst > Skins & Helmets > Weapon BP's > Artefacts 2 Vauban BP's are supposed to be Artefact Rarity and the other 1 Helmet Rarity. Have fun with Math ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaKicks Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 You know that not every item(type) within the reward list has the same chance of appearing? Rarity: Orokin Reactor/Catalyst > Skins & Helmets > Weapon BP's > Artefacts 2 Vauban BP's are supposed to be Artefact Rarity and the other 1 Helmet Rarity. Have fun with Math ^^ I did not. /wrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breakandburn Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 But because there are 10 artifacts, if you clump them together you have 24% chance of getting an artifact. That is also a 24% chance of getting an item that is rather useless after you've found it the first time. All other items are Blueprints and can be sold for credits at least. So yeah, alerts need some work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaKicks Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Is the appreciation of irony and sarcasm dead in this forum? When the outcry over Vauban blueprints being "?" Alerts-only, we were assured by the devs that they would be as common as Artifact alerts. Well, they're NOT common as artifacts. We WANT to believe they are, but they aren't. That is also a 24% chance of getting an item that is rather useless after you've found it the first time. All other items are Blueprints and can be sold for credits at least. So yeah, alerts need some work. Ok? I was only replying to Un1ted's post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breakandburn Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I know. Just pointing it out since this thread is about alerts after all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namacyst Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 Actually it's not about Alerts.. it's about the dropchance of Vauban parts within alerts which seems to be as messed up as the dropchance of Thunderbolt/Retribution/Handspring mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argoms Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Randomness is only fair at infinity. It's entirely possible that alert RNG doesn't spit out a heat dagger for say, the next 4 months. Look at some of the frame helmets. Wasn't it banshee's that hadn't been dropped ever until a few weeks ago? That's one of the problems with it- you have no way to tell if it's actually working properly or not because randomness :L "The problems everyone has with the Alert System aren't being ignored, please see item number 4 on the list of Hot Topics."-DERebecca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaKicks Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 That's one of the problems with it- you have no way to tell if it's actually working properly or not because randomness :L You can kind of test it. You can speed up the intervals during testing (1 alert per 10 seconds?) and just make sure they all come up eventually. Then lower the interval back to it's default. Of course there may be an issue with the longer interval that doesn't appear during the test, but I digress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argoms Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) You can kind of test it. You can speed up the intervals during testing (1 alert per 10 seconds?) and just make sure they all come up eventually. Then lower the interval back to it's default. Of course there may be an issue with the longer interval that doesn't appear during the test, but I digress. I mean us, as players, can't test it. The developers could just run rng a thousand times per second and get the numbers of what pops up from that pretty easily. Edited May 22, 2013 by Argoms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggh Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) Looked up alert rewards and fixed the math appropriately They probably are equal odds... Alert Rewards (4) Cosmetic Weapon-Skin Blueprints (13) Alternate Helmet Blueprints Ceramic Dagger Blueprint Dark Dagger Blueprint Heat Dagger Blueprint Dark Sword Blueprint Heat Sword Blueprint Jaw Sword Blueprint Pangolin Sword Blueprint Plasma Sword Blueprint Glaive Blueprint Orokin Catalyst Blueprint Orokin Reactor Blueprint (10) Artifacts (3) Vauban Components Blueprints That's 41 total items.So the odds of getting the exact item you want are 1 in 41, or 2.4% But because there are 10 artifacts, if you clump them together you have 24% chance of getting an artifact. If you clump the Vauban bps together you have a 7% chance of getting one. So what most players are doing is looking at the 24% and 7% and deciding that the odds are not equal. When in reality you have exactly the same chance of getting a specific reward - 2.4%. Except that the rng in this game is based off giving items in loot tables a rarity value. For example, they changed Banshee's blue prints to an uncommon to the uncommon pool for defense rewards/mission rewards for spy/raid/etc.etc. Edited May 22, 2013 by Aggh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaKicks Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Except that the rng in this game is based off giving items in loot tables a rarity value. For example, they changed Banshee's blue prints to an uncommon to the uncommon pool for defense rewards/mission rewards for spy/raid/etc.etc. That was covered on page one. But regardless "devs said the vauban blueprints were same chance as artifacts." So they are in the same loot pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggh Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 That was covered on page one. But regardless "devs said the vauban blueprints were same chance as artifacts." So they are in the same loot pool. They said they'd try and do that. We've yet to hear if it's actually working like that. The game has had all sorts of problems with loot tables so it wouldn't surprise me if there is something wrong with how it was done :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argoms Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 (edited) According to this (stats of the alert system so far, from dunvi), artifacts have a 0.09% chance of appearing. If we say that vauban has the same chance of appearing as any individual artifact (0.009% as there are 10 different artifacts), getting all 3 parts doesn't look like a very high chance at all. Edited May 23, 2013 by Argoms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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