Prisma Shade Tradeable?

[Robj414]

Just wondering as a friend has gone to China and he will want for mastery.  If i was at home i would try myself but at work.  Thanks in advance

[-AR.D2]

It is currently not trade-able, nor is the Prisma Burst Laser.

Edited August 21, 2015 by -AR.D2

[KIREEK]

Since trading was introduced ( since 2013? ), sentinels haven't been tradable.

 

Sentinels don't have a category on the trading ui since forever, it was rather obvious (just like prisma extractor and prisma armor sets) that it could not be traded.

 

Prisma doesn't define the tradability of a certain item.

Edited August 21, 2015 by KIREEKPSO

[stoybot]

Since trading was introduced ( since 2013? ), sentinels haven't been tradable.

 

Sentinels don't have a category on the trading ui since forever, it was rather obvious (just like prisma extractor and prisma armor sets) that it could not be traded.

 

Prisma doesn't define the tradability of a certain item.

 

Carrier Prime and Wyrm Prime are tradeable.

[Tali]

Since trading was introduced ( since 2013? ), sentinels haven't been tradable.

 

Sentinels don't have a category on the trading ui since forever, it was rather obvious (just like prisma extractor and prisma armor sets) that it could not be traded.

 

Prisma doesn't define the tradability of a certain item.

extractor and armor doesn't affect gameplay like a sentinel/weapon/warframe/mods do, so maybe Prisma Shade will be tradeable

[FruntlineXtreme]

Carrier Prime and Wyrm Prime are tradeable.

Yes but only the parts. Not the Sentinels themselves. Same with Prime Warframes.

[Tesseract7777]

Carrier Prime and Wyrm Prime are tradeable.

 

That' not really accurate if you are comparing it to the Prisma Shade though. 

 

You don't just trade someone Carrier or Wyrm Prime, you trade them the parts and the blueprint and they make it themselves. 

 

There is currently nothing in the trade UI to support trading an entire fully built sentinel, so it is extremely doubtful we will ever be allowed to trade this one. 

[stoybot]

Yes but only the parts. Not the Sentinels themselves. Same with Prime Warframes.

 

That' not really accurate if you are comparing it to the Prisma Shade though. 

 

You don't just trade someone Carrier or Wyrm Prime, you trade them the parts and the blueprint and they make it themselves. 

 

There is currently nothing in the trade UI to support trading an entire fully built sentinel, so it is extremely doubtful we will ever be allowed to trade this one. 

 

By the same logic, weapons like the Mara Detron shouldn't be tradeable either. The Detron is built from parts that are difficult to acquire and not tradeable, while the Mara Detron - a fully built weapon - can be traded.

[Tesseract7777]

By the same logic, weapons like the Mara Detron shouldn't be tradeable either. The Detron is built from parts that are difficult to acquire and not tradeable, while the Mara Detron - a fully built weapon - can be traded.

 

You're missing the point though. 

 

There is an option in the ui currently to trade certain fully built weapons. 

 

There isn't even an option in the trade UI to trade fully built sentinels. 

 

There is nothing coded in the game to allow it right now. 

Edited August 21, 2015 by Tesseract7777

[KIREEK]

Primed sentinels can't be traded either, you can only trade the parts and parts are different from a fully built product.

You can't trade warframes, but you can trade parts (as long they drop in the void, this excludes excall prime)

 

Detron parts do not drop from the void, both the parts and the weapon are untradable.

Mara Detron came from Baro and fits into the special weapons category, can be traded.

 

Shade being a sentinel is automatically excluded from being tradable, even if it's prisma, this happens because there isn't a category for it.

 

Those that have been playing warframe longer can identify if an item from baro is tradable or not, we simply look at what kind of item is he selling, if the item doesn't fit a category then it won't be tradable (sigils, extractors, skins, sentinels),.....

 

I am pretty sure once the prisma accessories for sentinels come, someone will ask the same question.

"are the accessories tradable?"

It doesn't take much time to find the answer now does it?

Edited August 21, 2015 by KIREEKPSO

[stoybot]

There isn't a category for it so it can't be traded... You lot know that adding a category isn't particularly difficult, right? Well, unless DE follows programming practices that would get them fired in most places. I imagine the most challenging part would be ensuring that the weapon is transfered along with the sentinel.

 

Whether they choose to allow trading it or not is the question, and so far you haven't provided any arguments as to why they shouldn't, apart from stating that historically you couldn't trade sentinels... which is false.

 

Primed sentinels can't be traded either, you can only trade the parts and parts are different from a fully built product.

 

Dang it! I've been cheated! The table I bought from IKEA came in parts so it's not really a table. This discussions is a bit too metaphysical for my taste. For the purposes of trading in Waframe, whether you get the final product in parts or pre-built is completely besides the point.

 

I'm glad that you're a long-time player that can identify tradeable items immediately... But that's completely irrelevant to what I said.

 

If you think items like sigils and cosmetics aren't tradeable because they don't fit a category, then you haven't played the game long enough. Items that affect gameplay/mastery rank and are obtained outside specific events are, generally, tradeable. Why do you think that the only tradeable cosmetics are arcane helmets?

[Tesseract7777]

You are wrong. Historically they have never allowed fully built sentinels to be traded. And in warframe whether it is fully built or just parts/blueprints has always made all the difference. 

 

For the purpose of trading in Warframe how you get parts in trading actually matters a great, great deal, because historically being allowed to trade fully built anything is rare. They allow some limited weapons now, but that isn't even that recent. What would be the purpose anyway? So that people can fleece people later in trade chat and ask for 3000 platinums for Prisma Shade? 

 

You have provided no arguments why they should make it tradeable, the burden is on you to explain why they should do a bunch of extra coding to allow something to be tradeable that has never historically been tradeable in that form before just because you want them to. You need to explain why, not us why not. 

 

"I want" is not an argument. 

Edited August 22, 2015 by Tesseract7777

[KIREEK]

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At this point i realized you are trolling.

No category = not tradable

 

De would need to add a category for the sentinel, however and just like the event weapons that many tried to trade, DE needs to implement the tradability of said item, but as of now you had like a 2 year warning regarding whether or not the item is tradable or not.

For 2 years no category was added for extractors, sigils, sentinels.....

You can't really say it was a suprise.

 

You want the sentinel to be tradable? grab a chair and wait.

Edited August 22, 2015 by KIREEKPSO

[stoybot]

At this point i realized you are trolling.

No category = not tradable

 

De would need to add a category for the sentinel, however and just like the event weapons that many tried to trade, DE needs to implement the tradability of said item, but as of now you had like a 2 year warning regarding whether or not the item is tradable or not.

For 2 years no category was added for extractors, sigils, sentinels.....

You can't really say it was a suprise.

 

You want the sentinel to be tradable? grab a chair and wait.

 

The one that's trolling here is the person who keeps ignoring what I'm saying and puts words in my mouth. Historically, all Sentinels could be obtained either through the market, by farming them in Void missions, or by BUYING them from other players. This is the first sentinel that you can't obtain in any of those 3 ways. I never disputed the fact that there's no category for the Prisma Shade, which makes it impossible to trade. You keep repeating this as if I ever questioned it. I never said I was surprised either. What I'm saying is that it should be tradeale based on the way DE have treated exclusive items historically. None of you have addressed my argument so far, and all I get is the "no category = not tradable" statement, which I never disputed. Frankly, I don't know how to make this any MORE clear.

 

You are wrong. Historically they have never allowed fully built sentinels to be traded. And in warframe whether it is fully built or just parts/blueprints has always made all the difference. 

 

For the purpose of trading in Warframe how you get parts in trading actually matters a great, great deal, because historically being allowed to trade fully built anything is rare. They allow some limited weapons now, but that isn't even that recent. What would be the purpose anyway? So that people can fleece people later in trade chat and ask for 3000 platinums for Prisma Shade? 

 

You have provided no arguments why they should make it tradeable, the burden is on you to explain why they should do a bunch of extra coding to allow something to be tradeable that has never historically been tradeable in that form before just because you want them to. You need to explain why, not us why not. 

 

"I want" is not an argument. 

 

Very precious of you to tell me what an argument is when you rebutted a strawman. I made an argument for why it makes sense for items like the Prisma Shade to be tradeable, I never said "I want" without providing reasons. And then you go on to tell me that, historically, you could never trade a built sentinel. Yes, I'm very aware of that. My argument was still not addressed. Also, bringing up trade "fleecing" is completely irrelevant to the discussion. All it does is poison the well through an appeal to emotion.

 

For you two and anyone else who has trouble or refuses to read my arguments, here are the relevant parts of what I said:

 

If you think items like sigils and cosmetics aren't tradeable because they don't fit a category, then you haven't played the game long enough. Items that affect gameplay/mastery rank and are obtained outside specific events are, generally, tradeable. Why do you think that the only tradeable cosmetics are arcane helmets?

 

Historically, all Sentinels could be obtained either through the market/clan research, by farming them in Void missions, or by BUYING them from other players. This is the first sentinel that you can't obtain in any of those 3 ways. I never disputed the fact that there's no category for the Prisma Shade, which makes it impossible to trade.

 

I'm getting tired of repeating myself so I won't even bother replying unless a counterargument is made.

[Robj414]

What I'm saying is that it should be tradeale based on the way DE have treated exclusive items historically.

 

So every weapon that has been able to be obtained to date can be traded?  I know Baro sold a weapon maybe a month or 2 ago that was not tradable....

 

 

 

Whether they choose to allow trading it or not is the question, and so far you haven't provided any arguments as to why they shouldn't, apart from stating that historically you couldn't trade sentinels... which is false.

 

 

The table I bought from IKEA came in parts so it's not really a table.  For the purposes of trading in Waframe, whether you get the final product in parts or pre-built is completely besides the point.

 

So you currently can trade sentinels???  NO, you can trade sentinel PARTS, just like how the table you bought from IKEA is in PARTS, not already constructed, will IKEA sell you the same table already built as a table and not parts... no.

 

 

If you think items like sigils and cosmetics aren't tradeable because they don't fit a category, then you haven't played the game long enough.

 

They are NOT available to trade...  what the hell are you on about?

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