FrackingBiscuit Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 I didn't say they don't have porn, I said they aren't porn. Having one or two scenes of this doesn't classify it as Porn. Yes, but they aren't porn. You wouldn't classify a romance story with adult sections in it as porn, that'd be extremely ridiculous. There's a difference between me saying "They are porn" and saying "They have porn in them." There's a reason all-ages versions are released and why they're marketed as eroge. Because they have porn in them that can be removed with no discernible impact on the story. legitimate pornography as a reward system Which is very clearly not "Humans don't show love through sex." I don't know why you two have such a problem with porn or sex. I clearly don't. I cited Muv Luv as my favorite VN. It has one of the most disgusting sec scenes in a VN ever and plenty of its other sex scenes are just raunchy porn. Can we move on now? I don't appreciate people willingly misinterpreting me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Grihaly Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 I've never even heard of such a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CelticMoss Posted September 26, 2015 Author Share Posted September 26, 2015 I've never even heard of such a thing. What a visual novel? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) There's a difference between me saying "They are porn" and saying "They have porn in them." There's a reason all-ages versions are released and why they're marketed as eroge. Because they have porn in them that can be removed with no discernible impact on the story. There is a discernible impact on the story, they don't just put them in there for the reader to be like "Oh finally, time for the good stuff". These are scenes in romance VNs where the characters show their love for one another. There's this one VN (If my heart had wings) and the steam version removed the adult scenes, and the entire story felt stale. Extremely stale. Then I got a patch which added in those scenes, and my respect and admiration for the VN increased tenfold. I don't know why you two have such a problem with porn or sex. I clearly don't. I cited Muv Luv as my favorite VN. It has one of the most disgusting sec scenes in a VN ever and plenty of its other sex scenes are just raunchy porn. I'm the one advocating for the adult scenes in VN, however, I dislike them being labelled as porn when they aren't. A porn VN is one that is only about the adult scenes, a VN with just one or two adult scenes should never be classified as porn. Oh and Muv Luv? That's an adult game/Eroge. Edited September 26, 2015 by TheSpookyGhost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrackingBiscuit Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) There is a discernible impact on the story, they don't just put them in there for the reader to be like "Oh finally, time for the good stuff". These are scenes in romance VNs where the characters show their love for one another. There's this one VN (If my heart had wings) and the steam version removed the adult scenes, and the entire story felt stale. Extremely stale. Then I got a patch which added in those scenes, and my respect and admiration for the VN increased tenfold. I'm the one advocating for the adult scenes in VN, however, I dislike them being labelled as porn when they aren't. A porn VN is one that is only about the adult scenes, a VN with just one or two adult scenes should never be classified as porn. Oh and Muv Luv? That's an adult game/Eroge. You are making sweeping statements about the entirety of VNs. No, nobody likes it when people confuse sex and porn. I'm not doing that. I'm not calling out specific scenes or titles as being just porn with no story. And yes, I know Muv Luv is eroge. THAT WAS MY POINT. You've convinced me you aren't reading my posts at all because half the time we're saying the exact same thing, while the other half of the time you're baselessly accusing me of labeling all VNs are meaningless porn, which I'm very clearly not. As such, I'm going to ignore you from now on. Edited September 26, 2015 by FrackingBiscuit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtowin Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 I've never even heard of such a thing. Visual novel = Visual + Novel = Novel with a lot of image in it. Not having an impact on the story doesn't change the fact that they use legitimate pornography as a reward system. Why do you call it a reward system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CelticMoss Posted September 26, 2015 Author Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) Anyways since some people are saying what girl they like the most in KS Lilly and Emi are my top girls But Shizune is the saddest scene even though it's the shortest And hanako is the cutest scene in the game Edited September 26, 2015 by SarahApple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) You've convinced me you aren't reading my posts at all because half the time we're saying the exact same thing, while the other half of the time you're baselessly accusing me of labeling all VNs are meaningless porn, which I'm very clearly not. As such, I'm going to ignore you from now on. I am reading your posts. I guess I'm just confused on what the hell this is even about. Anyways since some people are saying what girl they like the most in KS Lilly and Emi are my top girls But Shizune is the saddest scene even though it's the shortest Lilly is best girl #Fact Edited September 26, 2015 by TheSpookyGhost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrackingBiscuit Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Why do you call it a reward system? I say reward system because of the way it's implemented. Most VN players know to expect sex at the end of a girl's route. For a lot of players (I couldn't say how many), seeing the sex scenes is one of their motivators for completing a route. A lot of these sex scenes can be lifted out of the route or have their explicitness turned down and not change the story much. Some VNs (most that I've read) also have an option in the menus to jump straight to the sex scenes - the purpose of that feature is very clear. Things get into a grey area when the story is different if there's no physical consummation of the relationship. Depictions of sex aren't inherently porn. A fade-to-black approach isn't always necessary. Sex is one of the strongest ways humans build connections and turning away from it completely is usually an immature way to handle it. But at the same time, focusing on it to the point that the showing the reader the act of sex is the main goal rather than using sexual activity to advance the story makes it more pornographic (in my opinion, at least.) Really it just comes down to deciding what the scene is meant to do and finding the right mix. Porn is porn and sex is sex, but sometimes a scene can be both at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CelticMoss Posted September 26, 2015 Author Share Posted September 26, 2015 But everyone knows Akira is our mistress And Kenji is god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 But everyone knows Akira is our mistress And Kenji is god ew akira Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CelticMoss Posted September 26, 2015 Author Share Posted September 26, 2015 ew akira Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 ew akira Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notlamprey Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Never touched one. They're disgraceful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtowin Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Never touched one. They're disgraceful. Why are novel disgraceful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenousPartyLibrarian Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 The only one I've ever played is Katawa Shojou. And... Hatoful Boyfriend? Well, between the two of them the answer is clearly... ...uhm. Hm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)PillarOfWar Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) When is devoid gonna lock this? Edited September 26, 2015 by (PS4)PillarOfWar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout751 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Man, you guys must be so glad your game library is for your eyes only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CelticMoss Posted September 26, 2015 Author Share Posted September 26, 2015 Man, you guys must be so glad your game library is for your eyes only. Eh? My GF knows i play these games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtowin Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Is it just me or people think that visual novel is just "visual" only? What about the "novel" part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-FV-Metheria Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Fire Emblem: Fates, best war themed romance game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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