20Th Century "antique" Weapons

[SometingWikked]

@Artek94,

 

We already have weapons that are very similar to some of your requested types:

 

Braton => Fa Mas

Burston => XM-29 (without 20mm)

Soma => AK-74 (with Chauchat magazine)

Supra => M-249 SAW (firing all tracers)

 

 

 

I do like the Idea of a P90, MP-40, PPsh-41 (or a shotgun with large drum magazine), L-85 (bullpup design). all with a futuristic upgrades.

 

 

 

 

[DoomFruit]

I'm not against the idea of archaic weapons being in the game, I just want their availability to us to make sense.

Along with their stats - our current selection of weapons is that way because they're much longer ranged, more accurate, fire faster and reload more quickly and with better armour penetration than the muskets and bows of old. Damage per shot depends on what you're comparing - a 12.7 mm machinegun round will out-damage pretty much everything short of a ballista (seriously, those things blow entire limbs apart upon impact), but you might be able to favourably compare your musket or crossbow to a modern semi-automatic low calibre pistol.

In summary: if you get an ancient, archaic, outdated weapon then you should expect its damage, accuracy, fire rate and reload time to be suitably outdated as well. Not to mention reliability - it was not unknown for a musket to blow up in your face, or to have your bowstring snap or become useless due to moisture.

[Sloan441]

Actually, many of the guns in the game are based on an assortment of weapons from the 19th to 20th century. Guns haven't really changed all that much.

 

The Vasto is pretty much a S&W #3 revolver.

 

The Magnus is has a lot of Webley and Scott revolver in it.

 

The Lex has a whole lot of Colt M1911 in it.

 

The Braton definitely has the "bugle of doom" thing the FAMAS is famous for.

 

The Sybaris definitely owes homage to the Spencer repeating rifle of Civil War fame.

 

The Soma has a close relation to the notorious Chauchat LMG of WW1.

 

I think it's pretty well established by this time and the design of a lot of the weapons in WF are drawn from historical ones. The way DE has done this is perfectly fine as is and will probably continue going forward.

[(XBOX)Grihaly]

 

Supra => M-249 SAW (firing all tracers)

 

Not. Even. Close.

 

 

 

There is zero resemblance. 

[Eggzodiya]

I honestly think DE has placed enough 20th century weapons in the game. In fact, I kind of prefer them over most of the space-age/futuristic weaponry that the game has going on. I don't mind the laser pellets (tetra), the concentrated laser beam (quanta), or any other non-human-made weapon, but bullets/shells is more of my calling.

[Littlerift]

Not. Even. Close.

 

 

 

There is zero resemblance. 

 

So what you actually want is a skin for the Gorgon?

[OniDax]

I'd rather see some weapons that are designed like 21st century weapons (rail attachments and such). I honestly don't foresee a future where we'll get rid of weapons like that and go back to 20th century style weapons (which is essentially what warframe weapons are, as they don't have any sort of attachment system like RIS).

 

But yeah, I'd like to see the WF visual equivalent of an M4A1 SOPMOD II.

Edited February 11, 2016 by AntoineFlemming

[Sloan441]

Well, rail attachments have been around since WW1 in some form or other.

 

It's just become more common recently from the rise of reliable optics of various sorts and assorted designator devices. When the US standardized the Pickatinny rail, it just opened the floodgates for gadget innovation (and clutter)

 

These are all things the tenno don't seem to really need since they seem to be provided by the warframe itself.

[OniDax]

Well, rail attachments have been around since WW1 in some form or other.

 

It's just become more common recently from the rise of reliable optics of various sorts and assorted designator devices. When the US standardized the Pickatinny rail, it just opened the floodgates for gadget innovation (and clutter)

 

These are all things the tenno don't seem to really need since they seem to be provided by the warframe itself.

 

That "clutter" has actual functional use...

[SometingWikked]

@XB1 A Frikin Grizzly

 

I didn't say all my examples were visually the same.  The Supra with increased fire rate and extra mag/ammo is a futuristic SAW. I guess some people would enjoy actual weapon skins, but that changes the feel of this game from "Space Ninja" to some FPS. Thanks anyway for taking the time to show me pictures so I can see they don't look the same.

 

@ Attley

 

No the Gorgon (and all versions) has a fire rate spool up, so it's not like a SAW that just spews out the lead as soon as you pull the trigger.

 

 

What we really need is a LMG that fires as fast as Dual Grakatas with every speed mod and a base of 1200 rounds  (kinda like a MG 34)

 

 

Oh and PS...  Offset scopes for sniper rifles mod so we can aim with iron sights.

[Sloan441]

Well, that depends.

 

If you're a soldier and it's part of your assigned gear for a mission, sure.

 

If you're a practical rifle shooter, then it's clutter. I see guys with another gun's weight of gear shoehorned on to their AR15s all the time in 3 gun and related disciplines. Totally unnecessary.

[OniDax]

Well, that depends.

 

If you're a soldier and it's part of your assigned gear for a mission, sure.

 

If you're a practical rifle shooter, then it's clutter. I see guys with another gun's weight of gear shoehorned on to their AR15s all the time in 3 gun and related disciplines. Totally unnecessary.

 

Who do you think it's made for? It doesn't matter what the practical rifle shooter does with it, it's not made for him. It's made for the soldier.

[Sloan441]

It's made for whoever wants to use it. If I want a PEQ15, I can go out and buy one. However, I don't have much use for one and don't want one on my SCAR-L particularly. It has plenty of room on its myriad rails, but...clutter.

 

A guy shooting 3 gun doesn't need night vision optics (well, usually) or a laser designator. It's clutter and weight best saved. Lugging around a 9lbs gun all day gets tiresome. Lugging a 13lbs gun all day gets really tiresome.

 

I've always been a minimalist. I don't like carrying a metric ton of weight if I can help it. I got into practical rifle many years ago when most of this stuff was barely a pipedream. A lot of the younger guys just hang this stuff on their guns because it "looks cool." You still have to carry that stuff around, though. I started the sport with an HK91. A couple of years of lugging that pig around makes you a believer in "light is right."

 

As a soldier, you're told what to do and what to do it with. Not much choice there.

[OniDax]

It's made for whoever wants to use it. If I want a PEQ15, I can go out and buy one. However, I don't have much use for one and don't want one on my SCAR-L particularly. It has plenty of room on its myriad rails, but...clutter.

 

A guy shooting 3 gun doesn't need night vision optics (well, usually) or a laser designator. It's clutter and weight best saved. Lugging around a 9lbs gun all day gets tiresome. Lugging a 13lbs gun all day gets really tiresome.

 

I've always been a minimalist. I don't like carrying a metric ton of weight if I can help it. I got into practical rifle many years ago when most of this stuff was barely a pipedream. A lot of the younger guys just hang this stuff on their guns because it "looks cool." You still have to carry that stuff around, though. I started the sport with an HK91. A couple of years of lugging that pig around makes you a believer in "light is right."

 

As a soldier, you're told what to do and what to do it with. Not much choice there.

 

Well regular forces won't use most of that stuff. But special forces do, and they do have a choice, and it is made for them, not the civilian rifle enthusiast. That's a fact, not an opinion. Anyway, this is all off-topic. I personally think it'd be nice to get some weapons like that. Not Tenno weapons, or even common Grineer/Corpus weapons. Maybe some specialized Grineer or Corpus weapons? Maybe some Orokin (non-Tenno) weapons?

[Chromify]

Well this thread took an unexpected turn. I think a lot of people who advocate against this idea believe that I would like exact replicas. Even if DE was on board with this idea I don't think they would do that. It just doesn't fit. All of what I was hoping for was that some new weapons bear more resemblance. As for the Arms Race idea, I realize that probably wouldn't work so I present to you a new idea. Maybe some hermit crab guy living up in the mountains has tried to keep his history alive. Covered his guns in Vaseline and put them in airtight lockers maybe. Perhaps you could help him like Darvo in the relay. Maybe as a token of his gratitude he will give you something from his collection? I don't know.

Well this thread took an unexpected turn. I think a lot of people who advocate against this idea believe that I would like exact replicas. Even if DE was on board with this idea I don't think they would do that. It just doesn't fit. All of what I was hoping for was that some new weapons bear more resemblance. As for the Arms Race idea, I realize that probably wouldn't work so I present to you a new idea. Maybe some hermit crab guy living up in the mountains has tried to keep his history alive. Covered his guns in Vaseline and put them in airtight lockers maybe. Perhaps you could help him like Darvo in the relay. Maybe as a token of his gratitude he will give you something from his collection? I don't know.

Well this thread took an unexpected turn. I think a lot of people who advocate against this idea believe that I would like exact replicas. Even if DE was on board with this idea I don't think they would do that. It just doesn't fit. All of what I was hoping for was that some new weapons bear more resemblance. As for the Arms Race idea, I realize that probably wouldn't work so I present to you a new idea. Maybe some hermit crab guy living up in the mountains has tried to keep his history alive. Covered his guns in Vaseline and put them in airtight lockers maybe. Perhaps you could help him like Darvo in the relay. Maybe as a token of his gratitude he will give you something from his collection? I don't know.

[Littlerift]

@ Attley

 

No the Gorgon (and all versions) has a fire rate spool up, so it's not like a SAW that just spews out the lead as soon as you pull the trigger.

 

 

What we really need is a LMG that fires as fast as Dual Grakatas with every speed mod and a base of 1200 rounds  (kinda like a MG 34)

 

 

Oh and PS...  Offset scopes for sniper rifles mod so we can aim with iron sights.

 

No, we don't need that, that would be stupid. Where's the balance? The LMGs in Warframe have spool-up times to counter the fact that the Warframes can run around and fire and LMG from the hip.

 

There are already plenty of weapons in the game that represent modern era technology. We don't need real weapons in the game. If you want a modern assault rifle then use a Braton or Karak. If you want a Marksman rifle use any of the snipers. If you want an LMG then use the Soma. Etc, etc.

Edited February 11, 2016 by Attley

[Chromify]

Sorry. About the 3 paragraphs. Phone problems.

[(PSN)Oreic-Reynier]

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[PeaceGod]

Do you want modern weapons? go play COD clone number 234566, leave my futuristic weapons alone, thank you very much.

 

P:S: i will love to see a GRINEER version of the gatling gun, with his corresponding heavy unit using it.

 

The Gorgon is the gatling gun of the Grineer side, and the Heavy Gunner its wielder. It may not have the design of a gatling gun, but the firing mechanics are similar. As for your comment on COD, that's not exactly what I believe he wants. I believe that he wanted to see the game add in more weapons that have similar designs to weapons from our era, even if they are outdated.

 

We wouldn't even have to use the weapons per say, they could just become components for other weapons that are from the game's current era. They could even just add in attachments or features to the weapons you currently own or could be dismantled down to swap out a stock that reduces recoil or something like that. 

[Sloan441]

Dude, this stuff is a product like any other. The manufacturers will sell it to whomever wants it (within reason--some is regulated). If you've got the cash, they'll hook you up. What you do with it (if anything) isn't really high on their list of concerns.

 

You'd be surprised what regulars use these days as a matter of course. However, it's largely provided to them. Their officers may turn a blind eye to some things, but if its not in the inventory, it's potentially problematic. SF may have even more leeway (and need), but they generally still rely on what's in the inventory and decisions on equipment aren't made at the lowest levels.

 

As for Warframe, again, a lot of the ancillary stuff seems to be provided by the warframe itself. Many of the grineer weapons we have are specialized grineer weapons: the Ogris, the Ignis, and the Tonkor (among others) are all specialist weapons. Same with the corpus. More guns are great, but guns can only vary so much and the basics are pretty well covered in both factions.

[(XBOX)Grihaly]

So what you actually want is a skin for the Gorgon?

No, the Gorgon is garbage.

[Maicael]

No, the Gorgon is garbage.

Antiquated weaponry would be even worse comparatively.

[(XBOX)Grihaly]

Antiquated weaponry would be even worse comparatively.

I highly doubt that.

[Chromify]

Just make it a sniper rifle with puncture damage. It would be like a Vulkar, but just a different design. Instead of using a magazine it could use stripper clips. I would be 120% okay with that. It doesn't have to be the same name. I would just be interested in true bolt/straight pull rifles.

[(PSN)PillarOfWar]

I like your bayonet idea. It'd be like a reverse Redeemer!

I want that. The quick melee could use the bayonet. That would be so nice.