WTenno v. Jedi| Who Would Win

[(PSN)bddacres]

Just now, RetiredEdgeLord said:

There's a lack of evidence in your argument to back up your claim of "The force gives the user the do anything with enough training." I'm calling bs on you.

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Alchaka
Alchaka was an extremely personal Force technique, used during meditation by the Jedi Knights of the Old Republic. It was a rigorous exercise, that was very hard to perfect. Alchaka meditation involved the repetition of certain positions and the movements required between them, often to the point of exhaustion, in order to help clear the mind and attune the body to the strength of the Force.

Art of Movement
Art of Movement was a technique taught at the Jedi Temple during the Old Republic, it could be done with the Force to improve its performance.

Breath Control
Using the breath control, a Jedi could literally numb the body's instinct to shut itself down after long periods without oxygen, allowing the user to be able to go without breathing for longer periods than he or she ordinarily could by using the Force to reserve the amounts of air in the lungs.

Detoxify Poison
Detoxify Poison allowed a Force-user to detoxify poisons or eject them from their body in a much shorter amount of time than would normally be possible. It could also be used to cleanse their body of alcohol.

Flashburn
Flashburn was a term used by the Jedi Order to describe the reaction in which certain Jedi or Force-sensitives shutdown areas of their minds in reaction to emotional trauma. With sections of their memory seemingly ceasing to exist, those who used the technique were unable to remember details about the event at the center of the trauma.

Force Body
Force Body was a type of Force technique which allowed any Force-sensitiveto push their body's endurance past a safe limit, ignoring and possibly sacrificing their health and well-being, in order to sustain their connection to the Force.

Force Comprehension
Force Comprehension was the ability to absorb and interpret great quantities of information rapidly by speeding up the user's neural processes.
Force Comprehension required that the user possess at least a basic knowledge of the topic he was comprehending. Without this knowledge the user would simply speed up his neural processes and exhaust himself. Many Force users were wary of this ability, since on occasion knowledge learned at such a fast pace elicited strong emotions in the user. Therefore, the technique was not commonly used by the Jedi. Force comprehension found little favor with the Sith as well, simply because they don't have to worry for the strong emotions. For these reasons, Force comprehension was considered to be a universal power.

Force Concealment (Also known as Force Stealth)
Force stealth also referred to as Force Concealment or Buried Presence was a power that was used by highly skilled Force-sensitives to mask their Force alignment (Light or Dark), their ability to use the Force, or even their entire presence from other Force sensitives.


Force Enlightenment
Force Enlightenment was a light side Force power. The most well-known Jedi who used this power frequently was the Jedi Exile, who learned it after a significant conversation with Jedi Masters Vrook Lamar, Kavar, and Zez-Kai Ell.


Force Ghost
The Force ghost was the soul and essence of a deceased Force-sensitive who denied the will of the Force upon death, yet was able to interact with the living, albeit not physically. Some Sith Lords learned similar techniques, which in some cases allowed them to physically interact with their environment.

Force Healing
Force healing, Force heal, or Cure was a power that used the Force to accelerate the natural healing process rapidly.

Force Speed
Force speed, also known as burst of speed or Force sprint, was a core Force power that allowed the user to maintain sprinting speeds for a brief time. 

Hibernation Trance
Hibernation trance, healing trance, Jedi hibernation, Force trance, or recovery trance was a control-based ability that allowed Force-user to go into a very deep hibernation state. This slowed the user's metabolism and breathing to a standstill, causing the individual to only use one tenth of the air of a normal individual. A fully trained Force-user could stay in this state for up to one week in a dry climate or one month in a wet climate before dying from lack of water.

Morichro
Similar to a Force trance, morichro suspended biological functions, including breathing and heart rate. A trained morichro user could turn the technique upon himself, surviving without food, water, or even air for periods of over a year at a time, though it would not protect against vacuum. But unlike a Force trance, it could also be turned on others, making it an effective way of subduing enemies. 

Tapas
Tapas was a Force technique that allowed its user to draw on the power of the Force to remain warm in a cold environment. 

Sense

Force Listening
Theran Force-listening was a Force technique used by the Theran Listeners to hear through the Force. With it, Force-sensitives could understand words in another language or listen to beings talking from a distance. 

Force Meld
Force Meld, otherwise known as Jedi meld or Battle meld, was a technique where a number of Force users joined their minds together through the Force, drawing strength from each other. A refinement of battle meditation, it was known to the ancient Jedi, though dangerous.

Force Seeing
Force sight, or Force seeing, was a basic Force ability, perhaps related to Force sense. It enhanced the bearer's visual and spatial perception even in the dark or behind walls. 
 

Force Sense
Force sense was one of the most basic Force abilities for a Jedi. It could be used to feel another being's feelings, the future, ripples in the Force caused by momentous or traumatic events, impending danger and the presence of the dark side. 

Force Vision
Generally, when peering deep into the Force, a Force user had the potential to see events that could happen in the future. Force Visions were extremely rare, and uncontrollable. Often, one would meditate to gain a vision, but only a few would actually succeed.

Telepathy
Telepathy was the very basic ability to mentally communicate over small or vast distances with other individuals.

Alteration

Alter Damage
With this power, Jedi were able to reduce the damage inflicted by their lightsaber so that it did not deal lethal damage. 

Alter Image
Alter Image was a Force power which allowed the user to alter his or her own personal features, such as the height, weight, skin color, facial features, sex, voice, and body shape. 

Alter Environment
Alter Environment was a Force power that involved various techniques that allowed the user to manipulate nature, enabling the creation of phenomena such as Force whirlwinds or fog that could be used to attack or to shield the user from opponents. 

Animal Friendship
Animal Friendship, also referred to as Beast Control or Beast Trick, was the Force ability to control an animal. 

Battle Meditation
Battle meditation was a Force ability which considerably boosted the morale, stamina, and overall battle prowess of an individual's allies while simultaneously reducing the opposition's combat-effectiveness by eroding their will to fight. With the Force, one could coordinate entire fleets of ships, allowing them to perform at maximum efficiency, acting as a single entity with the ability to counter every enemy move quickly and effectively. Though ideal for meditating large-scale conflicts, battle meditation was equally effective when employed for the benefit of one's comrades in small skirmishes, attacks, and duels.

Combustion
Combustion was the Force ability that allowed users to cause an object explode by sheer force of will. 

Crucitorn
Crucitorn was a Jedi technique for transcending physical pain beyond normal thresholds.

Dark Transfer
Crucitorn was a Jedi technique for transcending physical pain beyond normal thresholds.

Deadly Sight
Deadly Sight was a power of the dark side, focusing the user's hatred into deadly energy.

Dopplegänger
Dopplegänger was a Force power that allowed a user to create a perfect illusion of his or herself through the Force.

Drain Knowledge
Drain Knowledge was a dark side ability used to extract knowledge out of a sentient without his or her consent.

Droid Disable

Ionize was a Force power developed during the Old Sith Wars that allowed a Jedi to overload and damage electronic systems, such as droids.

Electric Judgment
This was a power similar to Force lightning that showed up as yellow or green energy instead of blue or white, but otherwise it was very similar in both appearance and usage.This power was uncommon and controversial among the Jedi because of its intrinsic association with anger and aggression.

Force Bellow
Force bellow was a power in which the user would amplify their voice using the Force.

Force Blinding
Force blinding was a telekinetic light side Force power. Upon use of this technique, a blinding flash of energy emanated from a user's hand, manifesting as a flash of light that overloaded a target's vision, causing temporary blindness. 

Force Cloak
Some Force users with this rare ability could use the Force to photo-kinetically bend light and sound waves around themselves, rendering them invisible to others, both visually and through Force.

Force Confusion
Among the more advanced mind trick techniques was Force confusion, which could be used in combat to temporarily manipulate enemies to fight as an ally. It was especially useful when outnumbered, and was quicker to employ than affect mind in the heat of battle.

Force Deflection
Force Deflection was a Force power used by Jedi and Sith who were without a lightsaber, or chose not to carry one. It is unknown exactly if the Jedi and Sith merely created a wall using the Force to deflect blaster bolts, and Energy, or if they actually deflected them back with their hand. It took much skill in the Force to use this, however, and most Jedi used their lightsabers instead to deflect incoming attacks

Force Destruction
Force Destruction was a dark side Force power used by certain gifted Sith and Dark Jedi, allowing them to create a massive energy field and throw it in any direction.

Force drain
Force drain referred to a spectrum of offensive and defensive Force powers, tied to the same concept, which used the dark side of the Force to tap into the strengths of an organic target. 

Force Flash
The Force-flash was a Force power employed when the person using it did not want to be seen. 

Force Jump
Force Jump, also known as Force Leap, used the Force to augment the user's natural leaping ability. Force-users adept in this technique could perform awe-inspiring vertical/horizontal leaps with impunity.

Force Light
Force light was an immense light-side Force power used by Jedi. When used against a darksider, Force light would weaken the darksider's connection to the Force.

Force Lightning
Force lightning (also known as Sith Lightning) was a well known Force ability, most often used by practitioners of the dark side of the Force, especially the Sith.

Force Orb
Force Orb was a Force power which served as an attack. Under normal circumstances, it only worked underwater. 

Force Scream
Force scream was a Force power used by Dark Jedi or Sith. It was a scream, of strong frustration, rage, or grief, emitted through the Force.
Best identified with the terrible plastic "Nooooo !"  uttered by Vader at the end of Episode III.

Force Stun
Force Stun was a Force power that could temporarily deaden the senses and perceptions of a targeted enemy.

Force Slow
Force Slow clouded the target's mind, causing them to slow down both mentally and physically.

Force Storm (wormhole)
Force storm was a volatile dark side Force power capable of creating hyperspace wormholes that were able to displace objects across vast distances and tear apart the surfaces of entire planets. 

Force Subjugate
Force Subjugate was a Force power that enabled the user to inflict damage upon the mind of an opponent. The infliction was able to act as a distraction, or to rid the opponent of concentration for a short period of time. Some used this power to calm, or even enrage creatures with a low amount of will power.

Force Suppression
Force suppression was a Force technique used to attack the will of the target, canceling all first and second tier Force powers. This would individually affect each active Force power. This technique took a great deal of focus to accomplish.

Force Travel
Force travel was a Force power which allowed a being to travel great distances instantly by creating a momentary rift in space. This power caused the user to be corrupted by the dark side, as it broke the normal rules of the galaxy by ripping the Force asunder. The technique became more corrupting to use depending both on how far away the target was, as well as how familiar the Force-user was with the location.

Force Weapon
Force Weapon was a Force ability that allowed the user to imbue an unpowered weapon with the Force for a period of time. By channeling energy into the weapon, it allowed the wielder to strike and do more damage than the weapon's simple appearance would suggest. As a useful side effect, a Force-imbued weapon could be used to block lightsabers without damaging the weapon.

Pyrokinesis
Pyrokinesis was a Force power that allowed a Force-user to manipulate and create fire.

Kinetite
Kinetite was a sphere of restrained kinetic energy which could be thrown at an enemy.

Malacia
Malacia was a Force technique that was used to induce a powerful dizziness and nausea in enemies by turning their equilibrium against them.

Mechu-deru
Mechu-deru was a Force based skill of the mechanized area, providing an intricate reprogramming of droids. 

Midichlorian Manipulation
Midi-chlorian manipulation was a form of Sith alchemy requiring immense knowledge of the dark side of the Force which allowed its user to create, maintain, or save life through the influencing of midi-chlorians to a certain degree.

Mind Trick
Mind tricks refer to a spectrum of Force powers which influenced the thoughts of sentient creatures, most 

[(PSN)bddacres]

4 minutes ago, RetiredEdgeLord said:

There's a lack of evidence in your argument to back up your claim of "The force gives the user the do anything with enough training." I'm calling bs on you.

https://www.quora.com/Star-Wars-creative-franchise-What-are-all-the-Force-powers-that-Jedi-and-Sith-can-use

Heres the link. Also seems like your "i'm right and your wrong type" so if theirs confusion just let me know

Edited July 22, 2016 by (PS4)bddacres

[Eidolon_Slayer]

5 minutes ago, (PS4)bddacres said:

https://www.quora.com/Star-Wars-creative-franchise-What-are-all-the-Force-powers-that-Jedi-and-Sith-can-use

Heres the link. Also seems like your "i'm right and your wrong type" so if theirs confusion just let me know

That barely proves anything to help your claim. You're only proving that The Force is limited in power - it can't do "anything" on the scale of what you claimed.

Edited July 22, 2016 by RetiredEdgeLord

[(PSN)bddacres]

5 minutes ago, RetiredEdgeLord said:

That barely proves anything to help your claim. You're only proving that The Force is limited in power.

Name any ability and there is a force power for it because the force is the universe itself. If a jedi becoming one with the force he can literally do anything because he is everything  

[Eidolon_Slayer]

10 minutes ago, (PS4)bddacres said:

Name any ability and there is a force power for it because the force is the universe itself. If a jedi becoming one with the force he can literally do anything because he is everything  

Here's a force ability the Jedi can never do - remove void powers from a Warframe. 

Your analogy is flawed, it still focuses on the false premise that the Force can do anything because it's part of the universe itself. So, if the force is part of the universe and so are squirrels, does this mean that squirrels can do everything as well, just because are part of the universe itself? Just because something is a part of a universe, doesn't mean it can do everything [replace squirrel with anything, and you'll see how dumb that belief becomes]. Also the Star Wars universe isn't everything. There's the Warframe universe, a completely separate universe where "The Force" doesn't apply and/or behaves differently to the void.

 

 

 

Edited July 22, 2016 by RetiredEdgeLord

[(PSN)bddacres]

3 minutes ago, RetiredEdgeLord said:

Here's a force ability the Jedi can never do - remove void powers from a Warframe. 

Your analogy is flawed, it still focuses on the false premise that the Force can do anything because it's part of the universe itself. So, if the force is part of the universe and so are squirrels, does this mean that squirrels can do everything as well, just because are part of the universe itself? Just because something is a part of a universe, doesn't mean it can do everything. Also the Star Wars universe isn't everything. There's the Warframe universe, a completely separate universe where "The Force" doesn't apply and/or behaves differently to the void.

 

 

 

Actually, Jedi can severe someone connection to the force. They dont need to remove indivual powers. And the force is the universe not a part of it.And if were going the " that the stars wars universe route" then this entire argument is irrelevant because like the said the properties of void energy arent exactly explained 

Edited July 22, 2016 by (PS4)bddacres

[Eidolon_Slayer]

1 minute ago, (PS4)bddacres said:

Actually, Jedi can severe someone connection to the force. They dont need to remove indivual powers. And the force is the universe not a part of it.And if were going the " that the stars wars universe route" then this entire arguement is irrrelevant because like the said the properties of void energy arent exactly explained 

"this entire arguement is irrrelevant because like the said the properties of void energy arent exactly explained "

Why bother making this thread then? It's not going to progress much farther, and you knew it.

Edited July 22, 2016 by RetiredEdgeLord

[(PSN)bddacres]

3 minutes ago, RetiredEdgeLord said:

"this entire arguement is irrrelevant because like the said the properties of void energy arent exactly explained "

Why bother making this thread then? It's not going to progress much farther, and you knew it.

Because i dont have the same Logic as you. I believe the tenno and Jedi are  evenly matched. The tenno would come out on top in a group situation because most likely it will be a 2v4 setting and the tenno work well together in combat. 1v1 the jedi would win because they basical have a counter to a tenno's moveset because frames project only one power. Void energy technically would eve play a part because the operator wouldnt be participating in the fight only the warframe If the operator did participate it is shown that although they process immense power its unstable and the tenno are kinda out of shape.

[VisionAndVoice]

On 21.07.2016 at 6:00 AM, MetaTrooper said:

the Jedi starfighter has sonic mines

As someone not versed in Star Wars - how in the flying hell on antigravity roller skates are these supposed to work? They blast you with sound? In the vacuum of space?

[Dreddeth]

Guys, guys, I think we're all forgetting something here:

Since Disney's acquisition of the brand, absolutely none of that god-mode bullsh*t from the extended universe of Star Wars is canon any longer. What you've got to go on are the movies, the cartoons, and the new novels.

 

[(PSN)bddacres]

Just now, Dreddeth said:

Guys, guys, I think we're all forgetting something here:

Since Disney's acquisition of the brand, absolutely none of that god-mode bullsh*t from the extended universe of Star Wars is canon any longer. What you've got to go on are the movies, the cartoons, and the new novels.

 

dont remind me of the lose of pretty much all my favorite sith lords..........

But even without god mode eu the tenno and jedi are still a good match

[Aimop95]

Just now, (PS4)bddacres said:

dont remind me of the lose of pretty much all my favorite sith lords..........

But even without god mode eu the tenno and jedi are still a good match

It only becomes a good match if the Force flows through the Warframe Universe. 

Otherwise it's pretty much one-sided on the Tenno's side.

[VisionAndVoice]

On 21.07.2016 at 5:07 AM, (PS4)bddacres said:

Who would win the jedi knight and the tenno. 

[(PSN)bddacres]

Just now, Aimop95 said:

It only becomes a good match if the Force flows through the Warframe Universe. 

Otherwise it's pretty much one-sided on the Tenno's side.

vice versa with the tenno

and the jedi can still you the force to increase their own abilities

[VisionAndVoice]

Just now, Aimop95 said:

Otherwise it's pretty much one-sided on the Tenno's side.

You could put that in reverse too. SW doesn't have the Void, so Tenno don't have their powers or anything that feeds on their energy there.

[(PSN)bddacres]

2 minutes ago, VisionAndVoice said:

exactly ... De just said lets call them ninjas instead lol

[Aimop95]

2 minutes ago, VisionAndVoice said:

You could put that in reverse too. SW doesn't have the Void, so Tenno don't have their powers or anything that feeds on their energy there.

In a forum dedicated to Warframe, the implication generally for cross-overs (at least whenever I see them) for any game generally has the new group entering the universe that the forum is about. So I was under the belief that the Jedi were coming over to our side of the multi-verse, not that we were going over to them. 

Edited July 22, 2016 by Aimop95

[(PSN)bddacres]

Just now, Aimop95 said:

In a forum dedicated to Warframe, the implication generally for cross-overs (at least whenever I see them) for any game generally have the new group entering the universe that the forum is about. So I was under the belief that the Jedi were coming over to our side of the multi-verse, not that we were going over to them. 

a mistake on my part but think of it as a death battle tht can happen in any. a 1v1 match and a 2v4 match(jedi and his apprentice vs a band of tenno

[Eidolon_Slayer]

2 minutes ago, Aimop95 said:

In a forum dedicated to Warframe, the implication generally for cross-overs (at least whenever I see them) for any game generally has the new group entering the universe that the forum is about. So I was under the belief that the Jedi were coming over to our side of the multi-verse, not that we were going over to them. 

Just treat it like two universes clashing, The Force and The Void exists in one new universe.

Edited July 22, 2016 by RetiredEdgeLord

[(PSN)bddacres]

Just now, RetiredEdgeLord said:

Just treat it like two universes clashing.

spot on

[Aimop95]

5 minutes ago, (PS4)bddacres said:

a mistake on my part but think of it as a death battle tht can happen in any. a 1v1 match and a 2v4 match(jedi and his apprentice vs a band of tenno

 

4 minutes ago, RetiredEdgeLord said:

Just treat it like two universes clashing, The Force and The Void exists in one new universe.

In this case I think the Tenno win in most situations against Jedi. Only the strongest Jedi, the ones capable of reaching out and physically hurting us from long distance through the Force would be able to stop us. For the most part in the new Canon, the most Jedi have done in terms of long distance was merely sense the offender's exact location.  Tenno reside in the Void, a place unreachable to them. 

[Dreddeth]

Also, there are too many videos to bother listing on how the lightsaber is probably one of the worst ideas for a weapon out there.

In order to burn through things the way it does and still have both a finite length and its deflection properties, it would most likely be a magnetically contained bar of plasma or energy or some sort with a temperature in the plural millions. Convection would, I presume, cook your fingers like sausages if you tried to hold the thing without adequate protection. I'll hand-wave that as insufficiently analyzed technology, but it would bear mentioning in case of malfunction.

Furthermore, a near-weightless blade is actually a very bad thing. It doesn't have any real momentum to speak of thanks to its negligible mass, so all the force has to come from the user. This causes the user to fatigue faster, and means that a solid-matter weapon capable of resisting the heat energy would be better than a lightsaber against a lightsaber, because you could easily turn away blows and break the lightsaber user's own guard. Even trying to deflect a sufficiently forceful projectile could exert enough force on the blade to turn it into a hazard.

And speaking of breaking guards, the omnidirectional "cutting" edge hurts more than helps, as a rebound from a deflection or even the follow-through of a whiffed swing immediately puts the user in danger of being injured or killed by their own weapon. Unless you're using Makashi, which is basically fencing, as opposed to the other lightsaber forms, which are pretty much just Kendo with varying degrees of Bullshido involved.

[(PSN)bddacres]

2 minutes ago, Aimop95 said:

 

In this case I think the Tenno win in most situations against Jedi. Only the strongest Jedi, the ones capable of reaching out and physically hurting us from long distance through the Force would be able to stop us. For the most part in the new Canon, the most Jedi have done in terms of long distance was merely sense the offender's exact location.  Tenno reside in the Void, a place unreachable to them. 

not anymore we got pulled out the void so it depends on were our ship is docked

[Aimop95]

Just now, (PS4)bddacres said:

not anymore we got pulled out the void so it depends on were our ship is docked

Our orbiter is in the Void. If it wasn't, Hunhow would have sent his own fragments to our ship to finish us off. He couldn't though because our personal ship is still inside the Void.

[Dreddeth]

17 minutes ago, VisionAndVoice said:

You could put that in reverse too. SW doesn't have the Void, so Tenno don't have their powers or anything that feeds on their energy there.

The Force works through its connection with the known galaxy. It's basically like manipulating any other elemental force, such as gravity or electricity or magnetism, and even back when the EU was canon there were a number of things that could give it the finger, and the Force itself was implied to be unique to that particular galaxy. The WarpVoid is more like imposing the physical laws of a separate universe that we don't even begin to understand on our own.