Warbros Prime's True Event Score Denied by DE

[Andaius]

Isn't this like crying at the Olympics yo ugot second place because after the event you ran 20 more laps then the 1st place you so now YOU should be first place? 

[Karixolu]

Just now, asis_ said:

yes but there's a timer when you open up the operation thing and it says in big letters how much time is left :L

So the same should be said for Alerts, and Fissures as well then?

[hurlawhirl]

6 minutes ago, asis_ said:

if you turn in your homework late it might not get counted

On the other hand, if the teacher usually collects homework at the end of class, is it wrong to be disappointed if they decide to collect at the beginning of class with no forewarning?

[Nusmag]

7 minutes ago, -dicht.Amducias- said:

well we got told earlier by friends that the leaderboards will close 2pm EST as soon as the event ends.. so they had to get that info somewhere

also we were 33% less players, somehow

26,6%

[aligatorno]

1 minute ago, Karixolu said:

So the same should be said for Alerts, and Fissures as well then?

You can't compare the two. Once gives you  certain amount of time to start it, the other has a set start and end in which you must compete.

Edited March 9, 2017 by aligatorno

[asis_]

2 minutes ago, Karixolu said:

It's pretty funny how. Every other event allowed scoring after the bell. In addition to rewards being given out one. Two weeks late. Even as far as a month late. In addition to the statement of " Please leave missions, score will not be counted if you end after time. " It was just ended abruptly.

so what you're telling me is that you can't keep track of time so you need big red flashy letters to do it for you?

[Trvldl]

1 minute ago, asis_ said:

yes but there's a timer when you open up the operation thing and it says in big letters how much time is left :L

If you are already started a mission and not told to stop, should you expect to get reward?

[Karixolu]

Just now, Andaius said:

Isn't this like crying at the Olympics yo ugot second place because after the event you ran 20 more laps then the 1st place you so now YOU should be first place? 

It's nothing like that at all. It's more comparable to two people trying to do a job. One guy decides to finish early, with enough done to pass. Where as another finishes later, with them doing more, and better then the other, but then getting fired for doing better.

[hurlawhirl]

3 minutes ago, Andaius said:

Isn't this like crying at the Olympics yo ugot second place because after the event you ran 20 more laps then the 1st place you so now YOU should be first place? 

Was this event a race? No, it was endurance. False equivalence.

[Lanadra]

Tough luck.

[asis_]

Just now, Trvldl said:

If you are already started a mission and not told to stop, should you expect to get reward?

if there's a deadline for something and you finish after the deadline, you should expect not to get your score in full

[Graphene314]

Just now, hurlawhirl said:

Was this event a race? No, it was endurance. False equivalence.

Not only endurance, but finding the time to do this, having everyone do it (headcount), and having the deplorable AI not kill itself or have a glitch kill the AI.

[Youre_Waifu]

After Operation False Profit ended (which was not an event that required long missions and could be completed in a few minutes, mind you) the scoreboards continued to update as a certain acquaintance who will remain unnamed repeated the mission, scoring more points for nearly ninety minutes. Just sayin'.

[aligatorno]

4 minutes ago, Karixolu said:

It's nothing like that at all. It's more comparable to two people trying to do a job. One guy decides to finish early, with enough done to pass. Where as another finishes later, with them doing more, and better then the other, but then getting fired for doing better.

There are some things called deadlines, they are very common in jobs. If a person asks you to complete your job in 5 hours, but you take 7 to do it, you won't receive your payment.

Edited March 9, 2017 by aligatorno

[Karixolu]

1 minute ago, aligatorno said:

You can't compare the two. Once gives you  certain amount of time to start it, the other has a set start and end in which you must compete.

You can entirely compare the two. they both give a start time. And and end time. You expect to be able to try and collect reactant, from a fissure that is open for 26 minutes, and you join at the last 20 seconds, do you expect the fissure to still be active, after it's closed to everyone else? No. You don't. And with alerts. you rescue a dude, or clear out a base from enemies in the case of rescue, or extermination missions. With the explicit time put in place of " you do this, within this time, you get reward. " Where as everyone else, who isn't currently in the mission, cant still do it, but you can, because you showed up late? Yeah. Sure. They totally aren't the same at all!

[Tesseract7777]

1 minute ago, hurlawhirl said:

On the other hand, if the teacher usually collects homework at the end of class, is it wrong to be disappointed if they decide to collect at the beginning of class with no forewarning?

It isn't wrong to be disappointed, but I think some of the anger or accusations of DE trying to personally mess with your clan are unwarranted. I think it makes sense to be disappointed you don't have the top position, but personally I would have suggested making sure you left before 2PM because 1) You never know when DE will break precedent, it's DE. 2) This is a bit of a different event isn't it? I think the reason DE ended it exactly at 2PM with leaderboards is because unlike many previous events, leaderboard in some respects was for more than bragging rights. 

If someone's score was counted that finished after 2PM, that score could end up knocking someone out of the top 10%. This was the first time there was really real competition between clans, so I think they were being stricter with the rules. Yes there was precedent for ya'll's assumption but it was still an assumption. The safe thing would have been to leave before 2PM. 

Also, in terms of fairness, think of it this way. If DE allows people in such a competitive event to start a mission right before it ends, and go on for hours potentially and still have it counted, that means someone could see the top score (or score they are trying to beat) and get above that with no chance for the other clan to respond in turn. Because you literally started at the very last minute and still had it counted. No matter what you do, someone is getting treated unfairly in that situation to a certain extent. 

[Andaius]

Just now, hurlawhirl said:

Was this event a race? No, it was endurance. False equivalence.

Nah, it's the same, your trying to claim rewards past the cut off time. IE playing longer then some one else after the event ended.  Like she said there was a cut off time to lock in the final scores. You don't get to bypass the same cut off time everyone else had to "cheat in" your new score.

[Trvldl]

Just now, asis_ said:

if there's a deadline for something and you finish after the deadline, you should expect not to get your score in full

That is exactly how it didn't work before.

 

[iTrust]

I think their assumption was perfectly fair, unless it was stated somewhere in an official thread that all missions completed after the event ends wouldn't be counted.

Please quote where it specifically says something like that and there's no real argument here.

 

Feels odd arguing for putting my clan second but it's not exactly fair how this has gone.

[asis_]

Just now, Trvldl said:

That is exactly how it didn't work before.

 

and? things change. but sitting here complaining about things that were changed isn't going to do much

[-dicht.Amducias-]

1 minute ago, iTrust said:

I think their assumption was perfectly fair, unless it was stated somewhere in an official thread that all missions completed after the event ends wouldn't be counted.

Please quote where it specifically says something like that and there's no real argument here.

 

Feels odd arguing for putting my clan second but it's not exactly fair how this has gone.

true that, but im bothered by the sentence: they won as they were supposed to.. we played with 26,6% less players

[hurlawhirl]

1 minute ago, Andaius said:

Nah, it's the same, your trying to claim rewards past the cut off time. IE playing longer then some one else after the event ended.  Like she said there was a cut off time to lock in the final scores. You don't get to bypass the same cut off time everyone else had to "cheat in" your new score.

It's not the same, you're reducing the argument beyond it's fundamental level.

We didn't cheat. The rules were not explicitly outlined, and we expected precedent to uphold.

It was never stated beforehand that scoring would stop at a certain point.

If you've played this game before, you'd know that events are never over until the scores are tallied.

[Trvldl]

2 minutes ago, asis_ said:

and? things change. but sitting here complaining about things that were changed isn't going to do much

We are complaining because the change was not announced and we wasted our time. You might not value our time, but our complaints are completely valid.

Edited March 9, 2017 by Trvldl

[Karixolu]

Just now, asis_ said:

and? things change. but sitting here complaining about things that were changed isn't going to do much

You'd be fine with DE taking away anything you worked to achieve in this game, just because you didn't do it their way? After they decided to change the rules, after something ended? Sorry, you purchased banshee prime on release date, but it wasn't ready :( We wont give you any compensation or anything. Just deal with it, I guess?

[hurlawhirl]

2 minutes ago, asis_ said:

and? things change. but sitting here complaining about things that were changed isn't going to do much

So suck it up and deal with it instead of discussing it like adults?

Personal accountability, perhaps?