Another Kuva Survival idea

[K4RN4]

Kuva Survival was added to the game and I was really overjoyed by the news of a new way to aquire Kuva, as I really burned out on Kuva Siphons. But it just doesn't feel rewarding enough for me. I gain more by running just Siphons (Kuva gained per mission time [including loading sceens],  not Kuva gained per hour or something like that).

Current State

At the moment Kuva survival is slightly less rewarding than running Kuva siphons (preferrably the faster mission types) as I need 4:30 to gain 600 Kuva, whereas the time required for a siphon is closer to 4 mins for approximately the same gain. Running Kuva floods is of course unchallenged by the survival, although both challenge you with high level enemies (survival reaches level 100 at the 40 min mark I believe), which is why I think the rewards for the survival should scale with enemy difficuly to a certain extent.

What I would like to see

First things first: the starting amount should remain the same as there are people who like to play the survival mission, but don't have an hour or two to spare. Therefore 200 Kuva for the first 20 mins is ok. 20 mins are fairly easy, so no need to increase rewards up to this point.

The next marker for me would be the 40 min mark/ level 100 enemies: With enemies just as strong as those in a Kuva flood the kuva gain should be twice as much as the regular starting amount, so 400. The efficiency is sill a little lower than Kuva Floods, but the repeatablity makes up for it.

At the 60 min mark the kuva ammount should increase to 500. Enemies are getting really tough and fighting them should be rewarded, but 500 Kuva is where I would set a ceiling to the scaling. A bit more rewarding than Kuva floods, but you have to wait an hour to achieve that effectivity.

[Lucex]

Yep I'm with you on this. Kuva Survival feels not rewarding at all. It's nice to have something else for a change, the siphon farms are getting boring very quickly, but the amount of Kuva we get... is kinda low.

Personally, I like your idea very much. at least it would make it worth staying.

 

[Kyryo]

The devs already said that the kuva survival  is meant to be above a normal siphon and under the flood.

 i don't know why you and many others are even trying.

Edited April 10, 2018 by Kyryo

[K4RN4]

2 minutes ago, Kyryo said:

The devs already said that the kuva survival  is meant to be above a normal siphon and under the flood.

 i don't know why you and many others are even trying.

1. Because it isn't more efficient than a siphon.

2. Because we need more Kuva.

3. Because we want to be rewarded for increased effort

[[DE]Grzegorz]

7 minutes ago, Oru5732 said:

1. Because it isn't more efficient than a siphon.

The player is guaranteed 200 kuva every 90 seconds in Kuva survival and the rate could be sustained infinitely, to compete you'd need to finish a Kuva Siphon in less than 5 minutes every single time, often times the siphon alone takes around 2-3 minutes, leaving you with the remainder to get the mission done and load into another.

[K4RN4]

5 minutes ago, JuicyButthurt said:

often times the siphon alone takes around 2-3 minutes

Siphons take about 100 seconds if you don't mess up, which i rarely do. Therefore all Siphons except survival and mobdef can be done Mord efficiently than survival

 

8 minutes ago, JuicyButthurt said:

The player is guaranteed 200 kuva every 90 seconds in Kuva survival

When enemies hit level 100 and you have no defensive frame in the squad, the Kuva is in no way guaranteed.

[[DE]Grzegorz]

16 minutes ago, Oru5732 said:

Siphons take about 100 seconds if you don't mess up, which i rarely do.

Kuva clouds take 30 seconds to spawn, so at the very least you'd be taking 2 minutes to get the siphon done if you do everything perfectly.

16 minutes ago, Oru5732 said:

Therefore all Siphons except survival and mobdef can be done Mord efficiently than survival

Heavily dependable on the mission and plethora of other factors players have or have not control of, if you can get every mission done and load another in less than 5 minutes each, kudos.

16 minutes ago, Oru5732 said:

When enemies hit level 100 and you have no defensive frame in the squad, the Kuva is in no way guaranteed.

Same applies to failure due to incompetence in Kuva Siphon and Kuva Flood missions, your point?

Edited April 10, 2018 by JuicyButthurt

[K4RN4]

1 hour ago, JuicyButthurt said:

Siphoning process on its own takes 60 seconds regardless of level.

Sorry for not expressing myself in an understandable way. I meant the regular Kuva Siphons in the Siphon mission not in the Survival.

 

1 hour ago, JuicyButthurt said:

Same applies to failure due to incompetence in Kuva Siphon and Kuva Flood missions, your point?

To me, completing Siphons flawlessly is far easier than protecting the Kuva towers in survival, which means the chance of failure in survival is higher.

[[DE]Grzegorz]

Just now, Oru5732 said:

Sorry for not expressing myself in an understandable way. I meant the regular Kuva Siphons in the Siphon mission not in the Survival.

Figured that out and edited the response accordingly.

Just now, Oru5732 said:

To me, completing Siphons flawlessly is far easier than protecting the Kuva towers in survival, which means the chance of failure in survival is higher.

It's as simple as bringing Limbo into the game but different strokes for different folks.

 

[AsuraKyu]

I'm with you on this one. I mean at current without Iif you don't have a booster I think Kuva surv isn't worth it in the least. You can just allocate your time a lot better so rewarding you for your time would at least make the lines between the 3 a bit more clear.

[K4RN4]

1 hour ago, JuicyButthurt said:

Kuva clouds take 30 seconds to spawn, so at the very least you'd be taking 2 minutes to get the siphon done if you do everything perfectly

I'm not exactly sure about the numbers, but I'm pretty sure a siphon takes less than 120 seconds total, as I sometimes experienced my smeeta activating her charm (120 sec duration) and me getting double kuva although I found the siphon only after the buff activated.

 

1 hour ago, JuicyButthurt said:

It's as simple as bringing Limbo into the game but different strokes for different folks

Yeah I don't really like Limbo or CC frames in general in survival, as they often reduce your kills per seconds, by slowing down the enemies that walk towards you. If it's a low range Limbo, I'm kinda ok with that, but he probably won't be contributing to team damage and kills all that much, as he is rather squishy and can't effectivenly kill enemies from inside the rift. Frost, Gara and Volt are preferable alternatives for me, but as I intially said: without one of them it's really hard. Whereas siphons can be done quite fast with most frames.

Edited April 10, 2018 by Oru5732
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[[DE]Grzegorz]

31 minutes ago, Oru5732 said:

I'm not exactly sure about the numbers, but I'm pretty sure a siphon takes less than 120 seconds total, as I sometimes experienced my smeeta activating her charm (120 sec duration) and me getting double kuva although I found the siphon only after the buff activated.

If you only count time between cloud 1 and 4 it's 90 seconds, however each kuva takes 30 seconds to appear.

Assuming getting within range of the Siphon and starting the whole ordeal, a Kuva Cloud will appear after exactly 30s.

On the subject of Smeeta, it only has to be active during the time the last kuva cloud is destroyed, other than that it's inconsequential.

[MiMiren]

OMG you people are pissing me off with these ridiculous math calculations HOLY MOLY!!! You are not even doing it right.

Step 1: Measure time it requires for you to do all regular kuva siphons in one sitting. From the moment you start loading into the first kuva siphon to when you finish the last one. Record how much kuva you earned.

Step 2: Do Kuva survival as fast as you can for the same amount of time it took you to do all those kuva siphons. Record how much kuva you earned.

Step 3: Compare the results

You all be like 90 seconds, 5 minutes, 4:30 bla bla bla. They do no represent the amount of kuva a player really earns. If you are going to try and argue with numbers and all that at least do 10% of proper research. Geez. Repeat the steps 1 and 2 10 times and you will get a decent idea. Why are you bothering with such arbitrary numbers.