Ivara and her augment concentrated arrow.

[Jazar-Khajiit]

Ivara main is here to talk about things I don't like in MMO concept. I have to aim each time to nuke the room. That's right, the porpoise of this augment is to demolish everything nerdy. Goog AoE damage.

But here we get to butts... One simple thing DE asks us to do is aim for the head of your enemy to get the augment proc, right? Well... I've already lost the count how many times I missed my headshots. This augment gives you the window to be DPS(damage dealer, whatever). For those who like to troll and make fun of others how bad or good they are at the game go to... places to die pls. Somewhere... F trolls.  Get your get gud out of here and *if you build it right*! Ok? Sshh! Hush! 

Back to my topic. This a game. Heavily PvE based game. Not PvP.             

So I shoot an arrow don't hit the head. Frustrated. Ok. I shoot again. Room cleared and I can continue on my ESO run with next spawn of enemies. The problem is I HAVE TO AIM FOR THEIR HEADS EACH TIME TO BE GOOD DPS. And you might say: "Khajiit ! Ivara isn't dps go back to prowl noob! And *stahp* KS my kills! -Saryn".   Oh well... This augment needs a good polish. Make it  either have aimbot (literally, I don't want myself or other guys feel bad for killing a guy number 1000 with a headshot to make a *small* room go boom). Or it should have larger radius, so I could hit more targets at once. You might say go play Mesa and press one button to aim n shoot, but nah screw Mesa. NO BOW. NO FUN. Any bow in this game is a pain in a butt to use, no exceptions. I tried all of them. None of them I like as Artemis. With augment you got one arrow to shoot, easy to miss, but great AoE. Without, amazing shotgun-bow.    

I used to korean MMO games where I had a lot of experience being the archer/hunter. Whatever.  But in warframe where enemies are constantly spawning in each corner like in PoE(path of exile) you best friends are Saryn, Equinox, Volt maybe someone else. But these 3 are best nukers/dps IMO. Warframe does not have tags(healer,tank< no need, dps, buff, nuker etc).

For those who would like to talk about stealth. There is no such thing as real stealth in this game anymore. BOOM. Your dreams are shattered and illusions washed away. We only have like 3 ninjas in this game. Ash(true ninja with his kit, no argues), Ivara(kinda, more archer with a good stealthy kit than ninja) and loki(meh). The rest of them are *brutes*  made for open gunfights and wars. I've lost my hopes to get stealth rework 2-3 years ago. And you will lose your hopes at some point. After new exalted weapons rework I got confused and have no idea yet how utilize Artemis now.

Suggestions for concentrated arrow:

-Keep charge attack the same(without aimbot) with addition to range. Maybe twice as modded range. 

-Make rapid fire shoot in the heads only (25% not more pls less damage, but all goes in a head and you use same amount of energy so you get exhausted faster)

I would suggest bows rework with the same mechanic as here.   ^

Fix bloody heads or AI... Broken head hotboxes still a thing! So damn hard to hit them sometimes, because AI dance a lot in circles occasionally.

PS I shoot with a bow to get one small chained(chain reaction) kill. I lose me time. My score is 500 kills n nuker got 2000 kills at wave 8 ESO. Don't change nukers, change details of other frames and augments for other players to find, fit their player style and habits. Pardon me for making mistakes in English.

 

- Jazar-Khajiit MR25 3500h on steam/2000h on missions played since 2014.

[Kyoresh]

1 hour ago, Jazar-Khajiit said:

get gud 

nothing to add here

[Jazar-Khajiit]

18 minutes ago, Kyoresh said:

nothing to add here

Damn, how dare you to trigger me!? Lol 😄 

Still not proper reaction. Only trolls... 

[KochDerFrettchen]

There's an incredibly unnecessary amount of defensiveness, prepared deflections and strawman-ing of people who have not even spoken to you yet going on in the OP.  You're really asking for the thread to become about these things, instead of Ivara, when you BEGIN the thread with them.

Recommendations: Use sleep arrow more often.  Accept that the continuous AoE frames are going to be preferred over occasional setup AoE damage in the heavy-spawning horde mode.  Consider the concept that not every person around you is trying to antagonize you, or wishing that they were in silence.

I think the augment is fine.  Emphasizes her natural AoE a bit and helps you clear a room in one shot.

[(PSN)kingbrown2012]

3 hours ago, Jazar-Khajiit said:

Ivara main is here to talk about things I don't like in MMO concept. I have to aim each time to nuke the room. That's right, the porpoise of this augment is to demolish everything nerdy. Goog AoE damage.

But here we get to butts... One simple thing DE asks us to do is aim for the head of your enemy to get the augment proc, right? Well... I've already lost the count how many times I missed my headshots. This augment gives you the window to be DPS(damage dealer, whatever). For those who like to troll and make fun of others how bad or good they are at the game go to... places to die pls. Somewhere... F trolls.  Get your get gud out of here and *if you build it right*! Ok? Sshh! Hush! 

Back to my topic. This a game. Heavily PvE based game. Not PvP.             

So I shoot an arrow don't hit the head. Frustrated. Ok. I shoot again. Room cleared and I can continue on my ESO run with next spawn of enemies. The problem is I HAVE TO AIM FOR THEIR HEADS EACH TIME TO BE GOOD DPS. And you might say: "Khajiit ! Ivara isn't dps go back to prowl noob! And *stahp* KS my kills! -Saryn".   Oh well... This augment needs a good polish. Make it  either have aimbot (literally, I don't want myself or other guys feel bad for killing a guy number 1000 with a headshot to make a *small* room go boom). Or it should have larger radius, so I could hit more targets at once. You might say go play Mesa and press one button to aim n shoot, but nah screw Mesa. NO BOW. NO FUN. Any bow in this game is a pain in a butt to use, no exceptions. I tried all of them. None of them I like as Artemis. With augment you got one arrow to shoot, easy to miss, but great AoE. Without, amazing shotgun-bow.    

I used to korean MMO games where I had a lot of experience being the archer/hunter. Whatever.  But in warframe where enemies are constantly spawning in each corner like in PoE(path of exile) you best friends are Saryn, Equinox, Volt maybe someone else. But these 3 are best nukers/dps IMO. Warframe does not have tags(healer,tank< no need, dps, buff, nuker etc).

For those who would like to talk about stealth. There is no such thing as real stealth in this game anymore. BOOM. Your dreams are shattered and illusions washed away. We only have like 3 ninjas in this game. Ash(true ninja with his kit, no argues), Ivara(kinda, more archer with a good stealthy kit than ninja) and loki(meh). The rest of them are *brutes*  made for open gunfights and wars. I've lost my hopes to get stealth rework 2-3 years ago. And you will lose your hopes at some point. After new exalted weapons rework I got confused and have no idea yet how utilize Artemis now.

Suggestions for concentrated arrow:

-Keep charge attack the same(without aimbot) with addition to range. Maybe twice as modded range. 

-Make rapid fire shoot in the heads only (25% not more pls less damage, but all goes in a head and you use same amount of energy so you get exhausted faster)

I would suggest bows rework with the same mechanic as here.   ^

Fix bloody heads or AI... Broken head hotboxes still a thing! So damn hard to hit them sometimes, because AI dance a lot in circles occasionally.

PS I shoot with a bow to get one small chained(chain reaction) kill. I lose me time. My score is 500 kills n nuker got 2000 kills at wave 8 ESO. Don't change nukers, change details of other frames and augments for other players to find, fit their player style and habits. Pardon me for making mistakes in English.

 

- Jazar-Khajiit MR25 3500h on steam/2000h on missions played since 2014.

Or you can use sleep arrow to get easy headshots js 

[Jazar-Khajiit]

44 minutes ago, KochDerFrettchen said:

There's an incredibly unnecessary amount of defensiveness, prepared deflections and strawman-ing of people who have not even spoken to you yet going on in the OP.  You're really asking for the thread to become about these things, instead of Ivara, when you BEGIN the thread with them.

Recommendations: Use sleep arrow more often.  Accept that the continuous AoE frames are going to be preferred over occasional setup AoE damage in the heavy-spawning horde mode.  Consider the concept that not every person around you is trying to antagonize you, or wishing that they were in silence.

I think the augment is fine.  Emphasizes her natural AoE a bit and helps you clear a room in one shot.

Still, I try hard to defend myself from trolls(they spam a lot) and people like you who have no idea how Ivara mechanics you could utilize or shoud be played in a long run. Go ahead if you don't play as Ivara only, make a difference to other frames. I said it in kinda offensive way. Still If I try be good at something I always try hard AF to break my fingers, pop a blood vessel but do it anyway.

So no one is fine in this game. Not a single frame. Stop lying to yourself. Improvement is not across the line even. And a good life change for player brain and fingers. Make fun not broken hands, fingers! Or go back to maiming strike with scoliac n atterax.   <<<Still a thing, I used to that crap and trying to dip. Oh this community has been grown on meta. Get over your META guys.

Make your player style. Don't follow others. Get your own habits. Play! Have fun!

Literally fighting for being unique with original builds. 

If you have no knowledge just go to another thread.  

[Jazar-Khajiit]

Just now, (PS4)kingbrown2012 said:

Or you can use sleep arrow to get easy headshots js 

If you got  Artemis build with strength and no duration. you can't do that. 

And if you will. Imagine having two arcane energize sets and energy pizzas after a few shots. EZ? Right? Well not for a new players. AE 2x sets? nope? pizzas? no!

I post screenshots later.

Anyway talking about easy aim for light attacks. Go back to OP and read it again in suggestions. 

Don't spam with silly questions. 

[Kyoresh]

6 minutes ago, Jazar-Khajiit said:

Still, I try hard to defend myself from trolls(they spam a lot) and people like you who have no idea how Ivara mechanics you could utilize or shoud be played in a long run. Go ahead if you don't play as Ivara only, make a difference to other frames. I said it in kinda offensive way. Still If I try be good at something I always try hard AF to break my fingers, pop a blood vessel but do it anyway.

So no one is fine in this game. Not a single frame. Stop lying to yourself. Improvement is not across the line even. And a good life change for player brain and fingers. Make fun not broken hands, fingers! Or go back to maiming strike with scoliac n atterax.   <<<Still a thing, I used to that crap and trying to dip. Oh this community has been grown on meta. Get over your META guys.

Make your player style. Don't follow others. Get your own habits. Play! Have fun!

Literally fighting for being unique with original builds. 

If you have no knowledge just go to another thread.  

Either you are drunk or just really furious right now. But what I believe to understand from this thread is that you are unhappy with the way the game changes and that Frames which have more reliable AoE abilities are preferred by the majority. 

Well there`s not much you can do to change that. The only thing to do is ignore this and play how you want.

To your other problem, with hitting headshots, the only thing you could do is improve your aim or just try to stun the enemies to land headshots.

[Jazar-Khajiit]

16 minutes ago, Kyoresh said:

Either you are drunk or just really furious right now. But what I believe to understand from this thread is that you are unhappy with the way the game changes and that Frames which have more reliable AoE abilities are preferred by the majority. 

Well there`s not much you can do to change that. The only thing to do is ignore this and play how you want.

To your other problem, with hitting headshots, the only thing you could do is improve your aim or just try to stun the enemies to land headshots.

Can't agree more than now. But, aim after using meta crap(spin-to-win and nukers) is very boring. So I thought improving something that fit my player style and taste. Chill. Laid back and pop heads one by one with chain reaction. I used to have aim helpers like in korean mmos.

Still kinda the same when you push buttons on Equinox and Saryn. And that's good approach. There are no so many players who play Ivara. Very annoying to farm for new players, more skills. No one likes bows. <<<the majority.  I will find ideas what we could do with bows later. This change could be delayed until Ivara Prime. 3 years passed so that will be soon I think...

Edited June 19, 2018 by Jazar-Khajiit

[KochDerFrettchen]

18 minutes ago, Jazar-Khajiit said:

people like you who have no idea how Ivara mechanics you could utilize or shoud be played in a long run

And you proceed to not tell me in which way you think I misunderstand ivara.

18 minutes ago, Jazar-Khajiit said:

Still If I try be good at something I always try hard AF to break my fingers, pop a blood vessel but do it anyway.

...Okay?  I'm not sure how you're breaking your fingers playing Ivara, or this game in general, unless you're spamming slide attacks or something.

20 minutes ago, Jazar-Khajiit said:

So no one is fine in this game. Not a single frame. Stop lying to yourself.

Fine and "balanced" are different things.  Ivara is a perfectly functional, fun to play, interesting frame with four buttons worth pressing at least some time.  Fine.

21 minutes ago, Jazar-Khajiit said:

Or go back to maiming strike with scoliac n atterax.   <<<Still a thing, I used to that crap and trying to dip. Oh this community has been grown on meta. Get over your META guys.

Again, so strangely strawman-ing and defensive towards me over something I've not said, implied, or given you any reason to think.  Why would I wish to spam maiming slide weapons, they're awfully boring. A completely random tangent that's only served to make you appear unstable and upset about... something?

22 minutes ago, Jazar-Khajiit said:

Make your player style. Don't follow others. Get your own habits. Play! Have fun!

Literally fighting for being unique with original builds. 

If you have no knowledge just go to another thread.  

A continuation of the strange tangent, and an attempt to insult me?  Very odd, who do you think you're speaking to?

17 minutes ago, Jazar-Khajiit said:

If you got  Artemis build with strength and no duration. you can't do that.

If you build this way, you have only yourself to blame when your abilities have no duration.  You are not required to build this way, and clearly it is not working out for you as you'd like.  Why not use some of your knowledge, make your own player style.  Make a new habit, have fun with a new build. :v

[krc473]

21 minutes ago, Jazar-Khajiit said:

If you got  Artemis build with strength and no duration. you can't do that. 

Why do you have no duration?

I have high strength and reasonable duration on my Ivara Artemis Bow build. I can sleep enemies and headshot them without issue. Yes, some people might like not having any duration, but sometimes you have to change your mods/playstyle to account for new ability augments.

4 hours ago, Jazar-Khajiit said:

Fix bloody heads or AI... Broken head hotboxes still a thing! So damn hard to hit them sometimes, because AI dance a lot in circles occasionally.

So, in your mind: the AI moving so you miss is broken? Or have I misunderstood your statement? You really need to provide a video of the issue if you expect people to take your seriously. Because it just sounds like you cannot aim.

 

You really need to be more concise, you have so much fluff in your posts it is really hard to even know what the actual issue is. Any chance of adding a TL:DR to the OP?

[Jazar-Khajiit]

17 minutes ago, KochDerFrettchen said:

And you proceed to not tell me in which way you think I misunderstand ivara.

...Okay?  I'm not sure how you're breaking your fingers playing Ivara, or this game in general, unless you're spamming slide attacks or something.

Fine and "balanced" are different things.  Ivara is a perfectly functional, fun to play, interesting frame with four buttons worth pressing at least some time.  Fine.

Again, so strangely strawman-ing and defensive towards me over something I've not said, implied, or given you any reason to think.  Why would I wish to spam maiming slide weapons, they're awfully boring. A completely random tangent that's only served to make you appear unstable and upset about... something?

A continuation of the strange tangent, and an attempt to insult me?  Very odd, who do you think you're speaking to?

If you build this way, you have only yourself to blame when your abilities have no duration.  You are not required to build this way, and clearly it is not working out for you as you'd like.  Why not use some of your knowledge, make your own player style.  Make a new habit, have fun with a new build. :v

I call all it spam.

No real talk about augment in OP. 

Suggestions for concentrated arrow:

-Keep charge attack the same(without aimbot) with addition to range. Maybe twice as modded range. 

-Make rapid fire shoot in the heads only (25% not more pls less damage, but all goes in a head and you use same amount of energy so you get exhausted faster)

You said Ivara is fine  as it is to a guy who play only Ivara. I'm done.

Fight me. 

I'm talking only about concentrated  arrow augment.  Ok maybe she is fine for none hardcore players who don't stick to one frame, but that life change won't hurt our big nuke monsters.  

Edited June 19, 2018 by Jazar-Khajiit

[KochDerFrettchen]

8 minutes ago, Jazar-Khajiit said:

I'm talking only about concentrated  arrow augment

Actually the bulk of what you talk about is presupposing people are here to troll you, and telling them magical things about themselves that you've fabricated.  I've spoken about the changes you've suggested about as much as you have.

4 hours ago, Jazar-Khajiit said:

-Keep charge attack the same(without aimbot) with addition to range. Maybe twice as modded range. 

-Make rapid fire shoot in the heads only (25% not more pls less damage, but all goes in a head and you use same amount of energy so you get exhausted faster) 

-I've not been convinced that the augment needs higher range.  Your listed issues seem to deal with not being able to HIT the shot.

-What does this mean, you want the headshot-only restriction to be limited to tap-fire whilst charged shots always explode? 

I could see the augment always dealing a smaller AoE and doing a somewhat larger one on headshot, but this would still functionally mean you "need" to headshot. :v

[Jazar-Khajiit]

Screenshots as promised https://imgur.com/aO8udgL

https://imgur.com/VpTV8MJ

Edited June 19, 2018 by Jazar-Khajiit

[Jazar-Khajiit]

9 minutes ago, KochDerFrettchen said:

Actually the bulk of what you talk about is presupposing people are here to troll you, and telling them magical things about themselves that you've fabricated.  I've spoken about the changes you've suggested about as much as you have.

-I've not been convinced that the augment needs higher range.  Your listed issues seem to deal with not being able to HIT the shot.

-What does this mean, you want the headshot-only restriction to be limited to tap-fire whilst charged shots always explode? 

I could see the augment always dealing a smaller AoE and doing a somewhat larger one on headshot, but this would still functionally mean you "need" to headshot. :v

Well, you got very close. This cool thing CAN make Ivara popular in pubs(public). 

Very simple to use. Be an archer shoot fast n deal less damage with light attacks. Charge it and nuke a squad of enemies or two.

 >>>

-Keep charge attack the same(without aimbot) with addition to range. Maybe twice as modded range. 

-Make rapid fire(light attacks) shoot in the heads only (25% not more pls less damage, but all goes in a head and you use same amount of energy so you get exhausted faster) 

All attacks explode on headshots, but have different damage and  range. Depends on charging. 

[Jazar-Khajiit]

5 hours ago, Jazar-Khajiit said:

Fix bloody heads or AI... Broken head hotboxes still a thing! So damn hard to hit them sometimes, because AI dance a lot in circles occasionally.

Here is Shy made a video about it and you see she can't hit the head. It's only one type of enemy. Go to 1:05 There is more non recorded. 

 

Edited June 20, 2018 by Jazar-Khajiit

[krc473]

24 minutes ago, Jazar-Khajiit said:

Here is Shy made a video about it and you see she can't hit the head.

Well, it looks to have hit the shoulder, not the head. There is only one instance in the whole video where it did not trigger on "headshot". Ah well, I need to level my Artemis Bow, will give the augment a go later.

 

EDIT: Okay, I tested it. It is ridiculously easy to trigger the augment (I did not use sleep arrows). I am consistently hitting it at 50m and greater (and of course anything under that). If you really want it, I will do a video to demonstrate it.

Edited June 20, 2018 by krc473
Added EDIT

[Kyoresh]

54 minutes ago, Jazar-Khajiit said:

Screenshots as promised https://imgur.com/aO8udgL

https://imgur.com/VpTV8MJ

dont know if those builds are really made for an Artemis Build...

this is way too much range and too less strength.

[Jazar-Khajiit]

22 minutes ago, Kyoresh said:

dont know if those builds are really made for an Artemis Build...

this is way too much range and too less strength.

All for range. Damage is fine. Range is an issue + *constant headshots playstyle* only for dudes who are high. If so, I be glad to take a look how you(not rly you) will manage energy thirst with your godly aim. Lol

Edited June 20, 2018 by Jazar-Khajiit

[Jazar-Khajiit]

I don't want to use meme and yell when I play the game. 

 

I'm too chill for that.

[(PSN)kingbrown2012]

2 hours ago, Jazar-Khajiit said:

If you got  Artemis build with strength and no duration. you can't do that. 

And if you will. Imagine having two arcane energize sets and energy pizzas after a few shots. EZ? Right? Well not for a new players. AE 2x sets? nope? pizzas? no!

I post screenshots later.

Anyway talking about easy aim for light attacks. Go back to OP and read it again in suggestions. 

Don't spam with silly questions. 

I have one with a flow on it not that expensive just play smart 

[Kyoresh]

1 hour ago, Jazar-Khajiit said:

All for range. Damage is fine. Range is an issue + *constant headshots playstyle* only for dudes who are high. If so, I be glad to take a look how you(not rly you) will manage energy thirst with your godly aim. Lol

I use a completely different build with more strength andöess efficiency and I never ran out of energy...

[Jazar-Khajiit]

1 minute ago, Kyoresh said:

I use a completely different build with more strength andöess efficiency and I never ran out of energy...

Yep. Stay like it. I go my way. 🙂

[Kyoresh]

5 minutes ago, Jazar-Khajiit said:

Yep. Stay like it. I go my way. 🙂

If you stick with your playstyle then why even create this thread?....

[Jazar-Khajiit]

2 minutes ago, Kyoresh said:

If you stick with your playstyle then why even create this thread?....

Why do you live your way then? Silly questions.