Gammacor And Synoid Gammacor - Is This Intended?

[NoeleVeerod]

 

I hope the other stats make up for the fact that the Synoid variant is barely more than half as powerful as its counterpart.

 

Of course it was extremely odd before as well - when it was more than four times stronger. But wow, it still boggles my mind.

[Cpl_Facehugger]

It's half as powerful per shot, but fires much more quickly. Note the fire rate difference.

 

Basically, DPS to the synoid is the same as before, it's just now a lot less convenient and fun to use.

Edited March 28, 2015 by Cpl_Facehugger

[Morgax]

Try it out in T4 void or Trial, still cuts through enemies with ease.

 

Only the ammo economy is terrible on that thing, ammo mods or consumable goes a long way.

[RealPandemonium]

It's half as powerful per shot, but fires much more quickly. Note the fire rate difference.

 

Basically, DPS to the synoid is the same as before, it's just now a lot less convenient and fun to use.

Holding down the fire button for 10 minutes in between pressing 4 is my idea of fun!

[Dawn11715]

It's half as powerful per shot, but fires much more quickly. Note the fire rate difference.

 

Basically, DPS to the synoid is the same as before, it's just now a lot less convenient and fun to use.

 

from the picture the firerate seems lower too, whats possibly a bug.

[taiiat]

Fire Rate is a thing too.

SGammacor now consumes 7.5x more Ammunition while dealing the same Damage.

Holding down the fire button for 10 minutes in between pressing 4 is my idea of fun!

more like a second at most when everything in front of you dies as you wave the weapon back and forth like a Void Laser.

from the picture the firerate seems lower too, whats possibly a bug.

...

read the picture. or look for yourself.

also read the Changelogs.

SGammacor RoF was previously 2. it is now 15. Gammacor is still a RoF of 5. how is that lower?

[Dawn11715]

read the picture. or look for yourself.

also read the Changelogs.

SGammacor RoF was previously 2. it is now 15. Gammacor is still a RoF of 5. how is that lower?

 

woops I so it was the other way around.

[Cpl_Facehugger]

Holding down the fire button for 10 minutes in between pressing 4 is my idea of fun!

I rather enjoyed the lightsaber like gameplay of the original synoid. I feel it could've done with a nerf to range to placate the people who know nothing about actual game mechanics just to get them to stop filling the forums with their garbage "feedback"  and to encourage this gameplay more, but I'm not hugely invested in it since I main vaykor and always have.

 

What I don't like is how the synoid is now basically impossible to use for long stretches due to how poor its ammo efficiency's gotten. Even with ammo mutation (not primed though because who can afford to max out that garbage?), I'm running out of bullets inside of 5 defense waves for high level play when I take it for a spin. Now I'm not the best at racking up headshots so that's probably skewing things, but for average players the synoid really has gone from top tier to garbage tier despite its DPS remaining the same. Taking synoid on raids? Ha, forget about it. Unless you're willing to beggar yourself with ammo restores, keeping up with enemy health and armor is a fool's errand with synoid now. It handles like an amprex now, but amprex only works because of the chain effect. And preferably with craploads of forma.

 

I love how you try to characterize me as some press 4 to win player though. I main rhino most missions and stomp is good pretty much just for the CC and can't be spammed. ;)

Edited March 28, 2015 by Cpl_Facehugger

[RealPandemonium]

I love how you try to characterize me as some press 4 to win player though. I main rhino most missions and stomp is good pretty much just for the CC and can't be spammed. ;)

Stomp is even better than spammable; it's not duration dependent and only needs to be chaincasted every 8 seconds to neuter a 25-58m radius.  Infinite scaling?  You got it.  Never fight enemies again!

[H.Katsura_999]

If DE nerfs it to the ground then that's fine. But please, at least let us recover the lost forma.

 

I'm sure you know this, because its a Godlike weapon then people are going to invest time and resources to get the most out of it. And by people I mean your veteran players and casual players.

 

If your going to bankrupt our investment in the form of a Godlike nerf then at least give us some sort of compensation like refund forma, or refund some forma out of it.

 

The ability to transfer experience gained on the Sycore would be also very generous since we can transfer that exp to other stuff we want to level but instead we invested it on the sycore because it was the best secondary at that time.

 

The point of this is giving us a choice to choose from.

 

Not this "to bad, suck it up butter cup" mentality.

 

You formad it 8 times? well too bad cause we gonna nerf the hek out of this shizzzz. boohooo to you...

[4G3NT_0R4NG3]

Apparently you're having some difficulty noticing a 300% fire rate increase compared to not even a 50% damage loss. Allow me to illuminate this for you.

 

The only argument you can make that actually has some truth to it is that the Synoid's ammo efficiency is far worse than that of the normal Gammacor, and that is true. I will admit, I probably would have preferred a damage nerf. But, this ammo efficiency nerf could actually be viewed as a damage nerf, because now you have to use Ammo Mutation instead of another damage mod.

 

And you know what? Even with ammo mutation on the Synoid, its DPS is still miles above the normal Gammacor!

 

Normal Gammacor: http://warframe-builder.com/Secondary_Weapons/Builder/Gammacor/t_30_22234030_193-1-5-196-4-5-200-7-5-204-0-10-206-2-5-209-5-5-404-3-5-487-6-10_204-7-193-6-206-6-404-5-196-6-209-11-487-8-200-9/en/3-0-52

 

Synoid with Ammo Mutation: http://warframe-builder.com/Secondary_Weapons/Builder/Synoid_Gammacor/t_30_22234030_193-1-5-196-4-5-204-0-10-206-2-5-209-5-5-404-7-5-487-6-10-489-3-10_204-7-193-6-206-6-489-7-196-6-209-11-487-8-404-9/en/3-0-55/

 

I'm getting real sick of these ridiculous threads saying that the Synoid is twice as bad as the normal Gammacor now, because its nothing but a lie. I don't even want to read the inevitably horribly offensive "arguments" that people will inevitably level against me, because any topic debating the U16 nerfs almost immediately devolves into nothing but a flurry of personal insults and scat slinging.

 

Wasted forma and potatoes is a valid complaint, though, not just with the U16 weapon nerfs. Although, I would feel a little bit more inclined to agree that you wasted forma on the Synoid if it was even nearly as bad as you all scream it is.

Edited March 29, 2015 by 4G3NT_0R4NG3

[NoeleVeerod]

I decided to go ahead and use the Synoid regardless of the "nerf".

It's much less ammo efficient, but hey. Seems like it still hits like a truck.

 

Anyway, I didn't want to start another "yay nerf Synoid / nay leave Synoid be" thread, nor state that it sucks, or any other criticism that has led to mass rows. I noticed the stats and went ahead to post the screenshot, because they caught my attention. But only now that I used the weapon again am I making a statement about its efficiency (or lack thereof).

 

(and yes, I did notice the rate of fire and other stats, well done for pointing that out though as raw power is generally more sought after than other stats)