[DE]Xander Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) Thanks so much for all the info so far; I've merged your threads to keep it all in one place Safe to say you're tech savvy at this point, so I'm interested in seeing what your resource monitor looks like when a stutter occurs. Also safe to say the response time is going to shoot up under disk activity for Warframe.x64.exe after watching your videos, but I'm curious by exactly how much. Edited April 22, 2015 by Xander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheArrowOfGod Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 OMG ITS NOT JUST ME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tymerc Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 This is off-topic, but I love your avatar, Xander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007-MusicalMind Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 ohh well, i thought its only happening to me Amd FX 6300 Nvidia GTX 750 Ti Windows 8.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Xander Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 OMG ITS NOT JUST ME It looks like you're also active on PS4 (or have a doppleganger). Are you seeing the stutters like OP on both platforms, or just PC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weezedog Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I can get this too on occasion. Sometimes I will even get a couple second long pause, then my monitor goes to standby for a second (blue led goes to amber and screen turns off). Then the monitor comes back on, and I see the windows desktop. Warframe is still running, when I click the Warframe icon in the taskbar, I still only see my windows desktop, but I can hear the game and interact with the game with key presses (judging from the sounds it makes, like my gun firing when I press the left mouse button). It's almost like it's causing a graphics driver crash and restart. I'll check the event logs and see if there is anything posted in there. NVIDIA GTX 970 on the latest drivers, with a Acer 27" G-Sync monitor. Game is running in Fullscreen mode (as that is required for G-Sync to work). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheArrowOfGod Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) It looks like you're also active on PS4 (or have a doppleganger). Are you seeing the stutters like OP on both platforms, or just PC? I'm running warframe with bootcamp ahah and it used to run amazing with every setting on high, turned off v sync and had 100fps then yesterday it started dipping to 20fps :( been like that ever since. Haven't changed a setting since it ran like silk now it's like sandpaper but I can attest to the ps4 version being superb. :'(. P.S. Yes, I am the same dude! Suprised someone on the DE staff knows me 0_0 Edited April 22, 2015 by TheArrowOfGod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llyssa Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 This is very odd. I haven't had any issue that looks specifically like the OP, but I've been having extreme frame rate losses during play. Particularly strange as his card is lightyears better than mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meatpouch89 Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Stutters like this happen for me as well (GTX 760), they even occur while on the liset. I noticed this started happening sometime in the past few months and I havn't had any stutters like this happen in the other games that I play. Sometimes they are quick little pauses and other times they can last up to 2-3 seconds. Most of my hangs occur while aboard the liset, but it does happen maybe once a mission (if its an endless). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocorro Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I hope DE will figure out what it is with data you provide OP. That constant stuttering and frame loss is getting on my nerves :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Xander Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) I can get this too on occasion. Sometimes I will even get a couple second long pause, then my monitor goes to standby for a second (blue led goes to amber and screen turns off). Then the monitor comes back on, and I see the windows desktop. Warframe is still running, when I click the Warframe icon in the taskbar, I still only see my windows desktop, but I can hear the game and interact with the game with key presses (judging from the sounds it makes, like my gun firing when I press the left mouse button). It's almost like it's causing a graphics driver crash and restart. I'll check the event logs and see if there is anything posted in there. NVIDIA GTX 970 on the latest drivers, with a Acer 27" G-Sync monitor. Game is running in Fullscreen mode (as that is required for G-Sync to work). Going on your description, that does sound like the display driver is crashing on you. Try to keep an eye on your Processes in Task Manager the next time this happens, and let me know if you see a svcHost.exe start growing in memory. Edited April 22, 2015 by Xander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBugII Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I've been having similar stuttering issues however the fluctuation seems farm more tame than what has been previously reported. I have been running some tests to isolate the cause, but my hunch is that it's related to the new sound environment and effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryujin Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I can get this too on occasion. Sometimes I will even get a couple second long pause, then my monitor goes to standby for a second (blue led goes to amber and screen turns off). Then the monitor comes back on, and I see the windows desktop. Warframe is still running, when I click the Warframe icon in the taskbar, I still only see my windows desktop, but I can hear the game and interact with the game with key presses (judging from the sounds it makes, like my gun firing when I press the left mouse button). It's almost like it's causing a graphics driver crash and restart. I'll check the event logs and see if there is anything posted in there. NVIDIA GTX 970 on the latest drivers, with a Acer 27" G-Sync monitor. Game is running in Fullscreen mode (as that is required for G-Sync to work). that happens to me with my gtx 970 as well. warframe still running but it's stuck to taskbar and i can hear/shoot etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taiiat Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 to throw more information on the pile: i don't believe i'm encountering this, the only performance related issue i can think of recently is that in the Gas City Tileset there's always one or two points in the Mission where the game will freeze for two or three seconds, and then recover as normal. 100% rate of occuring, even if i go back through such areas again and again, happens each time. seems almost like it's reloading the entire game while it's running or something, hell, i don't really know at all. but it only happens in Gas City and maybe one other Tileset, and only for the past couple weeks give or take a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaiux Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Probably a different issue, but sometimes the game will hang for a few seconds for me, then throw up some random image from my session and then it's the same as the minimized game bug others have reported. I can confirm this is a driver crash issue. GT 750M, i7-4700MQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrecentric Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I saw a couple of people mention GTX 970. I just wanted to say that I have one and haven't noticed this problem as much as you guys. I do notice OCCASIONAL framerate lockups but it's not frequent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llyssa Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Hey, so, I think I'm on to something: I mentioned earlier that I don't have this problem, despite having a lower-grade nvidia card, but I *DO* have a problem when clouds are generated--gas clouds, fog clouds... even the explosive cloud from a frozen explosive barrel. The thing is, I fire maybe 8 bullets per week--I'm almost exclusively making kills with melee and powers. On the other hand, the video showed all of the stuttering experienced while firing a gun(which, incidentally, creates the muzzle flash). Try going full melee, and see if this alleviates your stuttering problem. This seems to make the most sense, as I went an entire mission without any stutter(using melee), until I hit an ice barrel(which immediately tanked my frame rate). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frawg Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Hey, so, I think I'm on to something: I mentioned earlier that I don't have this problem, despite having a lower-grade nvidia card, but I *DO* have a problem when clouds are generated--gas clouds, fog clouds... even the explosive cloud from a frozen explosive barrel. The thing is, I fire maybe 8 bullets per week--I'm almost exclusively making kills with melee and powers. On the other hand, the video showed all of the stuttering experienced while firing a gun(which, incidentally, creates the muzzle flash). Try going full melee, and see if this alleviates your stuttering problem. This seems to make the most sense, as I went an entire mission without any stutter(using melee), until I hit an ice barrel(which immediately tanked my frame rate). Sounds like a lag issue with particle quality and/or PhysX (Millbrook's smart running PhysX on its own card; PhysX eats 30-40% of the GPU at peak times). His problem is different, however: he doesn't just have lag spikes, his screen literally stops drawing for a fraction of a second (which lowers his FPS to 2/3 to 1/2 due to averaging for that moment). He did test PhysX with other games and being off in Warframe and his issue still persisted. I still want him to test with all graphical effects off in Warframe to test for such regressions (a long while back, a friend reported better performance with some details set to 'High', than 'Low'). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adaptor-Face Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) i had the driver crash problem for a while, newest drivers and increasing the page file size fixed my problems. http://www.online-tech-tips.com/computer-tips/simple-ways-to-increase-your-computers-performace-configuring-the-paging-file/How to increase page fle size in windows 7,8 and 8.1 (my page file was sitting at the same amount as my RAM stock. i changed it to 1.5 times the amount as per recommendations. i have GTX970) Edited April 23, 2015 by Adaptor-Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillbrookWest Posted April 23, 2015 Author Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) Thanks so much for all the info so far; I've merged your threads to keep it all in one place Safe to say you're tech savvy at this point, so I'm interested in seeing what your resource monitor looks like when a stutter occurs. Also safe to say the response time is going to shoot up under disk activity for Warframe.x64.exe after watching your videos, but I'm curious by exactly how much. I have a Video capture with Resource monitor running in the background. However, the the polling rate doesn't seem to pick up spikes in the values. I can still provide it if the warframe.x64.exe specific readout is required? I do have the drive Total activity for the previous graph (as a percentage), i don't know if it will help with consistency but i've added it to the graph i provided earlier: The Y-axis values are still correct for the SSD writes (40MB/s+ reads) Again, if need be, i can submit the spreadsheet with all the values i logged running warframe? Pagefile usage, CPU ratois, Disk activity for all drives, even Hard drive temps, etc etc. There does seem to be a lot of Pagefile activity. Again, i can overlay this on the above graph if need be. My pagefile is on the WD Red HDD, However, i have run Warframe with the Pagefile on the Samsung SSD, and there was no difference. EDIT: Uploaded a clip with Resource monitor running. The files it references in the 'Disk activity' are the same files i posted in an earlier post; Which were taking long times to read. Sounds like a lag issue with particle quality and/or PhysX (Millbrook's smart running PhysX on its own card; PhysX eats 30-40% of the GPU at peak times). His problem is different, however: he doesn't just have lag spikes, his screen literally stops drawing for a fraction of a second (which lowers his FPS to 2/3 to 1/2 due to averaging for that moment). He did test PhysX with other games and being off in Warframe and his issue still persisted. I still want him to test with all graphical effects off in Warframe to test for such regressions (a long while back, a friend reported better performance with some details set to 'High', than 'Low'). Ran it at low, even in windowed mode at the lowest resolution. Still stuttering im afraid. Edited April 23, 2015 by MillbrookWest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llyssa Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Sounds like a lag issue with particle quality and/or PhysX (Millbrook's smart running PhysX on its own card; PhysX eats 30-40% of the GPU at peak times). His problem is different, however: he doesn't just have lag spikes, his screen literally stops drawing for a fraction of a second (which lowers his FPS to 2/3 to 1/2 due to averaging for that moment). He did test PhysX with other games and being off in Warframe and his issue still persisted. I still want him to test with all graphical effects off in Warframe to test for such regressions (a long while back, a friend reported better performance with some details set to 'High', than 'Low'). I take it this means I stated it wrong. When playing in solo mod(so I know, for a fact, I am the host), I, at times, am having my frame rate drop to effectively 0--one frame, frozen, on screen, for up to 11 seconds in one case, usually no more than 2 or 3 seconds. That's EXACTLY what he's experiencing, only for much smaller intervals, likely because he has a much better graphics card. My screen literally stops drawing, but for somewhat longer durations. I experience this less-often than him, but, again, as I said, in all of the example videos, it was happening while he was firing his gun, a thing which I do not do, as I'm perpetually stabbing things. Hence the reason it would make sense to see if using melee-only changes things for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playford Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I also have problems with 2-3 second long pauses (and on a few occasions ~10s), and an occasional driver crashes like the one weezedog described, I'm playing on ATi Radeon HD 2600XT (mid range card from 2007 T_T). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Xander Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 lots of stuff Very interested in the spreadsheet; given the size it's best to submit it as a support ticket. Please use my name in the title so I can track it down easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weezedog Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 (edited) Going on your description, that does sound like the display driver is crashing on you. Try to keep an eye on your Processes in Task Manager the next time this happens, and let me know if you see a svcHost.exe start growing in memory. Xander, no svchost.exe growing in memory. It's definitely a graphics driver crash as it is being logged in the Windows Event Manager. It's throwing two critical events Event ID 13 from source nvlddmkm. The following information was included with the event: \Device\UVMLiteProcess1 Graphics Exception: MISSING_MACRO_DATA The following information was included with the event: \Device\UVMLiteProcess1 Graphics Exception: ESR 0x404490=0x80000001 Then an event 4101 from Display: Display driver nvlddmkm stopped responding and has successfully recovered. Today it did it when I logged in and went to open the market place. Pause, then crash. When I googled the error code, I found another post on the forums here with a user having the same issue. Edited April 24, 2015 by weezedog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillbrookWest Posted April 24, 2015 Author Share Posted April 24, 2015 Support ticket sent Request #343491 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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