Kierlak
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He was not buffed. Not nerfed either, but definitely not buffed. The changes were too small and inconsequential to provide any tangible benefits at a practical level. DE is scared to death of giving him any actual, meaningful buffs, so he instead got paper 'buffs' that do nothing in reality. He isn't any better suited to any higher tier of play than he was before. As soon as you get into anything even slightly difficult it's the same Reckoning -> crawl around on the ground for a finisher garbage that it was before. His heal is still terrible, and the armor buffs are still miniscule when compared to incoming damage.
In short, Oberon is still crap. Yeah, you can drive a turd around a racetrack, but it's still a turd.
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When a warframe's abilities are so intrusive and disruptive to the other players in the group that you cannot tell the difference between a full on troll and someone legitimately trying to play the frame properly, that warframe needs a major, complete, and IMMEDIATE rework.
Thankfully, Limbo isn't one of those frames. Limbo is instead the premiere public safety frame. Best in the game. Prevents 100% of gun violence in a 40 meter radius. 12/10 would keep my team mates safe again.
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Limbo is
one of the bestliterally the best warframe in the warframe now after his rework. Why is that, you ask? Because Limbo believes in something, and he stands up for what he believes in.Some of you may not know, but if you check Limbo's twitter profile, you'll see that he is Canadian, and like any respectable Canadian, he's against gun violence. But unlike most other Canadians, Limbo actually does something about it. Wherever he is is a gun free zone, literally. Whether you like it or not. Maybe even especially if you don't like it. When Limbo is present, gun violence goes down to 0%, and when you you are getting such phenomenal results, well, there's no price too great to pay. So what if you have to manually beat the bad guys to death with sharpened sticks, one at a time? Think of all the lives being saved, all the increased safety. Limbo makes the world a better place, one max range, high duration Stasis+Cataclysm at a time.
Limbo is ready to do his part, are you doing yours?
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14 minutes ago, The-Tective said:
There is your reason. You forced all your teammates into Melee combat by using Stasis (I guess you ment Stasis by saying "you're supposed to CC").
Of course ALL YOUR TEAMMATES are annoyed if they can't use 2/3 of their equipment properly because of you. Or maybe even 3/3 of their equipment if they use Sarpa/Redeemer with Bullet Dance or using a Glaive and throw it and it just freezes in Stasis and does nothing (Same goes for Zenistar disc).
Nonsense. I used him exactly as designed by DE. They way you talk about it, it seems like Limbo is better off not using his abilities so as to not inconvenience his team mates, and that's just total balderdash. There's no way DE would put some sort of 'highly disruptive' ability on the live servers and then just let it go. You might find something amateur like that from some small indy studio, like Blizzard or Activision, but DE runs a much tighter ship than that. This stuff has been tested through and through, and this is the proper way to use Limbo. He's a 'safety frame'. He keeps everyone from being hurt, even by themselves. Guns are dangerous, like, dangerous, and it's Limbo's job to keep those bullets from breaking anything. At all.
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4 minutes ago, (PS4)lilkevin107 said:
It's not just you lol, it does feel that way. We just better hope that the armor reduction on Reckoning is good or noticeable.
For the hoops you have to jump through, it would have to be 100% armor removal at base power strength to even try to compete with Avalanche. Two casts, higher energy cost, longer time to apply, location dependent, it needs to be way stronger, or you have just created another Saryn problem of overly dependent 'synergy' that just isn't worth bothering with in actual play.
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Smite was one of the better first abilities before, it's still ok with this change.
Hallowed Ground still locks you to an area without anything like enough defensive value to make actually staying in it worthwhile, unless that armor buff is in the thousands now.
Renewal is still total, absolute garbage. It's mechanics are just the worst. Tying it to HG is not going to help.
Reckoning needs to not be tied to HG to have it try and be as good as Avalanche baseline.
The passive is...well it's garbage too. It may be better than the current one, but jesus, NOT having a passive is better than the current one.
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2 hours ago, EmptyDevil said:
Pretty certain that OP just went to a popular node to be a d-bag, because he is salty about nerfs. He is taking it out on random people because he is hurt and wants others to feel his pain. This victim act is a cover, he is the same person that said:
Because he was salty about the Telos Crutchace nerf.
Wow man. I've got an ex Navy SEAL sniper possibly aiming to snipe me to death and you're trying to throw smear. Do you tea bag old ladies having heart failure as well?
2 hours ago, aligatorno said:In your case, it's nigh impossible to meet 9 players that have a problem with you in a row. You must have done something that upset them.
Just playing my Limbo as a support/control frame, like he's supposed to be played. all those people that played him as a nuker were doing it wrong, and they should feel bad.
28 minutes ago, KIREEK said:If however you kill way faster without abilities, if you stand still and make the game substantially longer for teammates, then i sugest you gain some common sense and start looking at what you're doing.
There are limbos and limbos, some improve the gameplay for the entire team, others simply like to use their powers with no point to it, draging the usually average efficiency on akkad to a near dreadfull ineficient experience.
I refuse to believe that there is a 'right' time and a 'wrong' time to use a warframe ability. DE is one of the best game developers around, they aren't going to have an ability that's going to have a negative effect on your team mates, no matter when you use it. I trust DE 100% on this, because it would just be silly for a CoOp to have anything like that, and DE...well they just aren't going to make a dumb mistake like that.
Or more plainly said: It's always time to stop time.
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Well I just finished another Akkad, and it's just gone right on past 11 now. Had a Navy SEAL just totally flip out on me. Guy apparently has over 300 confirmed kills, was part of the team that took out Bin Laden, and is the best sniper in the entire US armed forces, and now he's mad at me. I'm hoping he calms down after while, but he said "Consequences will never be the same," so I am a bit worried. People do crazy stuff these days, you know?
It just doesn't make any sense that people are getting so mad about me playing Limbo. I'm starting to think there may be something wrong with Limbo in general.
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4 minutes ago, (Xbox One)CarpeNoctem365 said:
aaaaaand no response from OP, that doesn't make you look innocent that's for sure
It's a 16 minute old thread, just how much are you expecting someone to spam the F5?
As for people claiming I'm the reason, I'm just playing Limbo the way he is supposed to be played. He's not a nuker, you're supposed to CC instead. I'm being abused for playing the frame properly.
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I just did 3 Akkads in a row, and in all 3 I was terribly insulted and maligned by literally all 9 other people I was grouped with. All different people. Just trying to mind my own business, hit some mobs, use some powers, get easygoing affinity for focus, and BAM: I get told to kill myself, that I'm cancer, that I'm literally Hitler. 3 games this goes on, does not stop.
I just don't get it. I knew the community for Warframe is fairly toxic, but this is just on another level, and so sudden too. I was thinking about putting another forma on this Limbo, but now, I dunno. Feeling pretty down with all this hate thrown at me for just playing the game, you know? Anyone else getting a sudden rise in hateful, toxic comments?
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Hope everyone is looking forward to permanent stasis globes and 20 minute defense rounds. The rift is a gun free zone.
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6 hours ago, Zeclem said:
teleport got buffed so u can teleport to objects.
This is such a non-feature. I cannot recall the last time I thought, "Man, I wish I could teleport to that box over there."
6 hours ago, Zeclem said:invi got buffed so you can use it in a much more fluid way.
It was uncrippled. That's not the same as buffed. When it was movement locked, it was one of the worst abilities in the game, because you had to stop moving every ~8-10 seconds to recast. Calling this a buff is REALLY stretching the term 'buff'.
6 hours ago, Zeclem said:and its not even buggy. i always get off my finisher from it.
And now you are literally lying. You are never going to convince anyone that teleport has never failed or bugged out on you.
6 hours ago, Zeclem said:mind control is literally worthless? well then i guess MC'ing a healer to use its auras and healing is totally worthless then. or mcing some heavy unit to run to cover while it destroys everything for you without the risk of it attacking you back like the chaos has.
Mind control targets hit for peanuts on other NPCs, even with the damage buff, and take stupid actions like spend the whole time moving to cover themselves instead of shooting. You ain't fooling nobody.
6 hours ago, Zeclem said:physic bolts dont have bad targeting since ages now. they dont miss if you dont throw them at a wall.
PB does the exact same crap shuriken does, which is target whatever it wants in the vague direction of your reticle. They are some of the least reliable abilities in the game.
6 hours ago, Zeclem said:armor increase does nothing? it matters when valkyr is literally the frame with highest armor rating by far. it might not matter "for most frames". for valkyr it does. and just ebcause you'd rather have volt doesnt mean volt is a better frame. at all. its just your opinion, which is wrong consdering volt doesnt have the tankiness to actually go full melee without QT, and that requires you to have some sort of energy supply. valkyr doesnt need that.
As a group buff, warcry is clearly inferior to speed. Yes as a solo buff, it's good for valkyr, or the handful of other frames that have enough armor to do something with it and actually want to melee, but as a general buff, it's not that good. It also more or less requires its augment to function worth anything. Valkyr's whole toolkit is bad, held back by one of the stupidest ults in the game.
6 hours ago, Zeclem said:yeah except playing her max range doesnt make her a one button frame. its the exact opposite. you want full value out of your saryn? you use your all skills whatever build you have. if you solely use your spores you simply wont stay alive to pop your spores to do actual damage. saryn is more than a viral proc bot.
Casting a lot of miasma, are you? Again, if you want to melee, take a real melee frame. Saryn's best use is hitting the world with viral for the team and dealling a billion ticks of 25 damage. And don't try to make it seem like molt is a button you hit very often. It's a garbage defensive ability.
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3 hours ago, Zeclem said:
excal was stupidly op so yes it came out more balanced. hell even now hes really really powerful.
Excal was never stupidly OP, he was nerfed to shut up people crying about nothing.
3 hours ago, Zeclem said:and i find valkyr to be more fun now its toggle, since toggle actually allows me to grab some extra range in my build for some added cc without ruining hysteria completely.
I was a toggle before the nerf. It was changed to a toggle a long while back. Valkyr should have been actually redesigned, because literal invincibility is a terrible ability to have to deal with.
3 hours ago, Zeclem said:ash got much better, bladestorm was useless after midlevel content and his invi+teleport got buffed.
There is no way to spin what happened to Ash as him 'getting much better'. The cost of Bladestorm increased by something like X3 with no increase in damage, and a huge increase in annoyance to use, teleport was not buffed and is still full of bugs, and invis wasn't buffed, it was uncrippled into still the worst invis of the 3 main invis abilities.
3 hours ago, Zeclem said:nyx's other abilities are still very solid. her 1 has really great utility, her 2 is an aoe confusion proc, and her 4 without the augment is very useful, like when you need to provide cover for your teammates or get the enemies off from the objective.
The mind control targets are literally worthless, psychic bolts has even worse targeting than seeking shuriken, and her 4 still gets trolled by teammates into zero energy in the blink of an eye.
3 hours ago, Zeclem said:and if you only use one button one saryn now, you simply do not know how to play that frame. at all.
but then im not gonna expect someone who says "warcry" is a useless skill to understand the game properly. that skill is powerful enough to make valkyr viable in endurance runs on its own. and im still laughing at saryn being a one button frame.
Endless Warcry is Valkyr's only real build now, and for the most part it's still a knock off Volt Speed, as the armor increase simply doesn't matter for most frames. Most of the time I would rather have reload speed. And if you aren't using a max range spore spread build on Saryn, YOU are the one playing her wrong. If you want to melee, play an actual melee frame.
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22 hours ago, aligatorno said:
How exactly they don't work as advertised?
99% of the time, spores wont spread any gas or toxin damage, all you get is the spore pop damage. Has something to do with once spores have ticked they stop counting for spread targets or some garbage. She kills via volume of fire, or the occasional lucky Lanka proc that actually works.
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20 hours ago, 1tsyB1tsyN1nj4 said:
Sometimes I legitimately wonder, do people with this type of mindset even play the game? Thus far, every frame is quite playable in a variety of ways, so why does everybody have to complain all the damn time? Do we just get Reddit randos wandering in here to drop their 2 cents? I will say, there are obvious band-aid mods, garbage weapons, and enemies like Nullifiers that straight up cheat, but as far as Warframe being a playable game goes, it's playable and offers a myriad of things to do/ use.
Just because something is 'playable' doesn't mean it isn't also garbage. Saryn can deal a lot of damage, but her mechanics are literally broken, they do not do what they say they do. Mag can hold a chokepoint vs. non-Corpus for eternity and deal a quadrillion DPS, but she's total garbage to play, and her stats make no sense. The game is littered with stuff like this, things that 'work', but work wrong or are underperforming.
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1 hour ago, MadHatHacker said:
I have no idea why people still think this, I don't know where the rework=nerf thing got started.
Probably due to how most recent reworks end up with the frame worse than before. This Limbo situation will never last with how many people are wailing about how Limbo eats all their bagles, and Volt's recent changes with the shield and discharge were not all that amazing, what with the limit on number of deployed shields and overly high drain cost on carry, and the totally needless damage/health 'cap' on Discharge.
Saryn was a 1 button frame before, and she's a 1 button frame now, along with pretty much all of her abilities not working as advertised. Mag still has an ability that an entire faction just ignores, and Crush is still the worst ability in the entire game. Hell, they couldn't even give Nekros his QoL change without throwing a nerf at him at the same time.
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4 minutes ago, BiancaRoughfin said:
And the Ash nerf , and Excal's nerf, and Valkyr's nerf and Nyx's nerf.
Those were all just nerfs, none of those frames came out of that better off than they were before, more balanced, or more fun. There weren't even any mechanics changes. They just stuck a nerf on the ability/frame to shut up the nerf herders and left all the other problems standing there. Ash is still a bullet eating cinematic generator with stealth abilities that refuse to cooperate with the stealth system, Excal is still a blade spam turret, Valkyr still has a garbage toolset outside of Hysteria, which is still a garbage ability itself, and Nyx's abilities are now back to being crap other than Chaos if you have a teammate in the same zipcode.
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Tenora needs to lose the Hyperion spin up, and get a faster reload and bigger mag.
Both Tenora and Pandero need better firing sounds, they sound pitiful.
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11 minutes ago, NightmareT12 said:
Besides, it's approved on concept.
This is not an excuse for selling people something that does not work like everything else in it's category and not making that very clear that it doesn't work like everything else. How many people have they bilked out of 325 plat for armor that does not work right? Because of how you buy it, you can't even do any tests in the arsenal to see how it takes color.
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10 hours ago, NightmareT12 said:
I had a super angry response here, but upon rereading the original post I need to ask for clarification what you're talking about. Metallics seem fine across the board and so does the Accents? Or were you talking about the secondary (green) and tertiary (whiteish?) large areas?
Both.
The primary color channel is controlling what is obviously supposed to be the accent color channel, the secondary color channel is controlling the main body of the shoulders and chest, but only the edge trim of the legs, and the tertiary channel affects the main body of the legs, but doesn't affect the chest and shoulders at all. The accent channel is controlling what looks like should be the tertiary channel, and beyond that, bleeds through the entire backside of the arms/legs in a solid color.
These color channels being messed up cause this armor to be impossible to use with nearly all syandanas, because having a color that works with a metal accent part on the armor will not work on the main body of a syandana. This is why it's important to keep these color channels consistent.
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4 hours ago, NightmareT12 said:
I can completely assure you the armor set has been like this since release, and there is no way, absolutely, that the Art team and Mynki wouldn't have known, especially since they have to pass the default colors and all that, which is based on their own concepts.
The magazine on the akstiletto conclave skin, until recently, was floating out in space near the barrel. Was it intentional up until they changed it? Did they have a concept of a set of pistols where the magazine fed bullets into the chamber via pure force of will across space and time, and then just change their mind and put in the normal place? Or maybe do you think that they are just criminally slow on fixing things because people don't hold their feet to the fire like they should, and excuse obvious bugs/screw ups as some sort of artistic expression that plebs just can't understand?
If it's a bug, it needs to be fixed, and if it's intentional, it looks like garbage and makes the armor set extremely restricted in ways you can color it, and needs to be changed. It's basically false advertising, because there's no indication when you go to buy them that they are inflicted with such a garbo color mismatch, causing you to have more or less wasted the plat.
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3 hours ago, NightmareT12 said:
I am pretty sure it's not mismatched, but the intention is for those to be colored differently.
Why? There's nothing positive about not being able to color them the same. There's no way it's not a bug.
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The Hulta armor's color channels are mismatched between the top and bottom, and what should be the accent channel is in the primary channel. Also, the texture used for the non-metal parts takes color poorly, making everything appear much too light in comparison to everything else.
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In this version of Limbo, both Banish and Rift Torrent are largely useless. Without being able to pull things into the rift with you there's simply no reason to ever use banish over Cataclysm, and Rift Torrent doesn't actually do anything positive (or even anything at all really) unless you use the augment. Once Cataclysm gets ruined like Bladestorm, Limbo is going to have nothing but Stasis to fall back on, and that's going to end up being a SUPER team disruptive version of a Bastille Vauban.
PC Tenno, Was Oberon buffed, nerfed or just a reworked side grade or what?
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If you're going to stretch the definition of the word 'buff' far enough to encompass these Oberon changes, then you have robbed the word of all actual meaning. He got paper changes that mean nothing in actual play, not actual buffs.