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2 hours ago, (XBOX)Hellsteeth30 said:
Speaking of Alad, when did he get better after the whole mutalist thing? Never bothered with the fight as I got Mesa from Circuit.
Alad's story is very disjointed these days. The way it worked out is that Alad was cured of the Infestation in Operation: Tubemen of Regor, where he asked the Tenno to steal Tyl Regor's gene research. His current form shows him healed but with purple scars remaining on his face, appearing this way in The Second Dream, Operation: Shadow Debt, and his Jovian Concord appearances. Strangely, this means that a new player can see the healed Alad before they even see the pre-Infested Alad, and well before you actually fight Mutalist Alad V at Eris.
55 minutes ago, (PSN)GEN-Son_17 said:The New War trailer showed the female tenno facing of against Natah.
Ah yes, the trailer was a bit of a misdirect.
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21 hours ago, (XBOX)Upl0rdYT said:
Doesn't he die at the end of the ambulas mission? Like he tries to fly away on his ship, and then all the hacked ambulas make the ship self destruct.
He says to "eject the bridge module" shortly before the ship blows up, leaving his fate ambiguous. However, Alad V complains later (in the Partnership fragments) that Nef Anyo has won Frohd Bek's favour. The timeline is not clarified but I take this as an indication that Frohd Bek survived.
14 hours ago, (PSN)robotwars7 said:the creator of the […] Manics
You mean the ghouls. Tengus is not stated to be involved in the development of Manics. If anything, they come from Tyl Regor's tubemen research (especially seeing as Regor exhibits similar combat abilities).
5 hours ago, TARINunit9 said:Almost certainly dead of old age by now
Aria's story definitely happened fairly recently. Drusus Leverian says that it happened "surprisingly recently", contrasting it with his usual warframe stories from the Orokin Era or the Collapse.
6 hours ago, (PSN)GEN-Son_17 said:I can never stop thinking about how DE's trailers never match where we begin and end our playthrough of the quests.
This is certainly true of the 2018 and 2019 TennoCon demos, which DE later acknowledged as mistakes that projected a future too distant to deliver quickly. After that, the TennoCon demos have all consisted of the first chapter of the next new big quest:
- 2020: Heart of Deimos, 1st mission; no changes to final release
- 2021: The New War, 1st mission, part of 2nd mission, and part of 3rd mission (interspersed for dramatic effect); no substantive changes to final release
- 2022: The Duviri Paradox, most of 1st mission; significant dialogue changes and a few mechanical changes on final release.
- 2023: Whispers in the Walls, (appears to be) 1st mission; not yet released.
The last several TennoCon demos have shown no real difference in what was shown and what was released. They begin at the start of the quest, including introductory cutscenes, and end after the first mission. The Duviri Paradox is an exception, but is 90% the same as the final product, and the introductory cinematic was apparently produced by a third party (which I learned, like, yesterday) and probably wasn't ready to show by TennoCon.
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1 hour ago, Pizzarugi said:
Due to his formidable performance crushing the insubordination on Warframe, Steve Sinclair has been promoted to the rank of CEO.
I hope other people get this joke, it's so good
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3 minutes ago, Kaiga said:
What.
I don't see it in the devstream overview, source?
Devstream is still ongoing, but Dev Workshops should go live soon.
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20 hours ago, Kaiga said:
That would be nice, but I'm looking at the immediately possible here lol
They're overhauling shield-gating!
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15 hours ago, (PSN)MYKK678 said:
It wouldn't make any sense according to Lore.
Earth in this game does not house a few Billion humans like in real life, but a few hundred at most. During The Old War the Sentients wiped out every city on Earth except for Cetus. All of the "big cities" you'd want to explore are dust.
The Sentients only wiped out Orokin Towers, not cities. Earth was already mostly abandoned at this point anyway due to a toxic atmosphere and inhospitable environment. Cetus did not exist until later.
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14 hours ago, (NSW)Greybones said:
Apparently there was a mod overhaul back in 2013 according to the mod page on the wiki; I wonder if that has anything to do with it
This mod didn't exist in 2013. It's a kubrow mod; kubrows were added in 2014 and some species were even added later (can't remember for this species off the top of my head).
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22 hours ago, Voltage said:
Are trophies being exclusive in writing somewhere? I can't seem to find any information on that, but maybe you know of a post that I don't or something. The reason I ask is because both Primed Chamber and Ignis Wraith Research have become widely available to the playerbase despite their original introduction being akin to a trophy as something only a percentage could earn at the time. Ever since Primed Chamber, I personally just assume that nothing is exclusive anymore and anything is on the table to be re-released at some point, even if they write "exclusive" in marketing.
I don't recall anything specific off the top of my head, no. But trophies have never been discussed to be re-obtainable in the future, either. Warframe has a history from the start of having time-exclusive items that were not obtainable by any means after a certain point, most prominently Excalibur Prime and associated weapons, but also things like Arcane helmets (which were not originally intended to be exclusive but were made so after they were discontinued) and event cosmetics. So the trophies being exclusive is not a unique position. As you've said, DE have made some things that were previously exclusive more available, but that doesn't mean they'll do the same for other things. I sort of take the opposite assumption as you: I expect all exclusive things to stay that way until and unless DE decides to open them back up, which they have only rarely done.
But the short answer is no, I don't think you're missing any relevant information.
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38 minutes ago, char3000 said:
shadow debt, the rahuum event and etc
You interestingly chose events that are partially in the game now. Operation: Shadow Debt featured the Stalker's Acolytes, and while most elements of the event do not recur, the Acolytes themselves are still in the game. I think adding an event to feature enemies that you can encounter in any Steel Path mission might be seen as lazy. You may recall that, prior to the introduction of Steel Path, Operation: Shadow Debt did recur infrequently (just the Acolyte hunt part). While the event is relatively interesting, the main draw at the time were the unique mod drops. Now that those mods have been moved to evergreen reward pools, combined with the Acolytes being evergreen enemies, I think the excitement is not quite there for this event. As for Operation: Rathuum, you can replay that at any time by… playing Rathuum. On Sedna. You can even do the Kela de Thaym Assassination mission afterwards, which still features her dialogue from Operation: Rathuum, 7 years later. Aside from the slightly different mechanics Rathuum had at the time, there's basically no part of that event you can't play right now.
47 minutes ago, char3000 said:i'm sure that some clan want to have those trophie
As for the trophies, DE have been pretty clear since they started doing those trophies (over 10 years ago!) that those are event-exclusive. They commemorate performance at a specific moment in time, much like the Grandmaster tributes in the Relays. DE are not going to let people earn old event trophies (with the exception of the Plague Star trophy, which works in a different manner than the others and can be built at any time).
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On 2023-09-02 at 9:09 AM, MaxTunnerX said:
I like how you consider nezha top quality when he doesnt even look like a male. Anyway, I guess we can have like one giga chad frame in game, why not, but dont touch the existing ones please cause I play male frames a lot and I dont want to feel gay playing them.
Absolutely wild comment.
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3 hours ago, (PSN)robotwars7 said:
the term "Radiation Wars" appears to me to reference an all out, global nuclear conflict, which would certainly wipe out much of our infrastructure from that time. I believe Radiation Wars are also referenced in the Duviri quiz, and there was apparently a lot of them, double figures at least.
You are correct. The Zariman quiz tablets say there were at least 18 Radiation Wars.
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13 minutes ago, [DE]Danielle said:
Fixed the new Captura Scenes released with Echoes of Duviri not appearing in Acrithis’ Wares.
Oh okay, I thought I was just tremendously unlucky. Been waiting to get a chance at these. Glad it's fixed!
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I had this last night while playing The Second Dream. I thought it was my sound settings (didn't really bother to check) but if other people are having the same issue it might be a bug. It persisted through the entire quest, not just the first mission
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5 minutes ago, Zahnny said:
yes...that's what I was talking about...You are bringing up the same point I just stated...
Sorry, just trying to add additional context and the devs' comments.
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1 hour ago, Zahnny said:
For example, I'd like some Decrees that increase the Range or Duration of Warframe abilities but without heavy modification, Drifter really doesn't have any benefit from those things.
Pablo mentioned in one of the post-Duviri devstreams that designing new Decrees can be tricky because they want effects that affect both warframes and Drifter, but they can't make those two halves significantly different on the same Decree or else the text gets too long for the box.
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3 hours ago, CephalonCarnage said:
drifter which must be, well, poor storytelling based around an outcome DE wanted and either couldn't figure out how to achieve without handwavey "void is timeless" type stuff that explains a thousand years of repeated "spirals" like a bad Dr Who plot. Its bad. It always has been bad.
I mean, you've explained it right there: it's repeated spirals. Although the Drifter has been alive for more than a thousand years, they haven't aged that amount because their day always gets reset after they die. Most of that thousand years are actually the same day over and over again.
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The Mag Prime Codex entry is quite old, from 2014 (15 May 2014). The details might not be exact. The earliest mention of Tau is, I believe, the Detron Crewman Synthesis entry, which came out over a year after the Mag Prime Codex entry (29 June 2015). DE might not have even known which star system they wanted to use when they were writing the Mag Prime story, and thus called it blue to distinguish it as alien from our own Sun.
I also think the idea that the Orokin or Sentients altered the star during terraforming is probable.
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On 2023-07-30 at 7:13 AM, (PSN)MYKK678 said:
3) "The first scholar looked into the void and he feared it. And his fear took shape. Do you understand? That's how all this started!" - Sythil in her house in Duviri
Albrecht Entrati gave The Wall of Bone either Sentience, or Form.
Personally I don't trust Sythel's words on this topic. While she appears to have experience with the deeper aspects of the Void relative to the other natives of Duviri, her perception is warped by her fear and paranoia. Her implication – that Albrecht created the Man in the Wall – contradicts what others have said (Rell said it was "old as stars"), doesn't make a lot of sense (why aren't others creating their own Men in the Wall or other Void entities of similar power and scale?), and is narratively unsatisfying.
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13 hours ago, (PSN)MYKK678 said:
1) The Operators Zariman was found adrift. That doesn't have multiple meanings and never has. A boat found adrift. A ship found adrift. Literally means "to float without being moored or steered". The Zariman was found floating in space, not stuck halfway in a Void gap. That there is a massive assumption with no real evidence behind it.
I'm not disputing that the Zariman was found adrift?
13 hours ago, (PSN)MYKK678 said:2) It's odd to say someone is making a few assumptions and then immediately follow it with a line based on assumptions too. My assumption about this is based on evidence. Every single time Conceptual Embodiment has occurred, it happened because someone was present. Albrecht Entrati either created The Wall of Bone or at least gave it form through his fears (Sythels Dialogue). The Drifter was present to create Duviri from their memory of Tales of Duviri. Kullervo was present to create Kullervos Hold and Ballas' Shadow. Every single time, a conscious person has been there, and has been an absolute necessity for it to happen. Likewise, there's absolutely nothing saying someone's consciousness can randomly float around and recreate themselves. There's simply more evidence for the former than the latter, no matter how many people want to believe which one.
I'm pretty clear that most of this paragraph is conjecture on my part. Your assumptions are that because conceptual embodiment has always seemed to involve a living person that the living person is required, and thus conceptual embodiment requires a living person present – and you present this as a fact when it is just your assumption. I suppose you could say that my theory relies on the assumption that a living person is not required, but my view is that saying something is not possible requires more evidence than saying it is possible. With few details on the mechanics of conceptual embodiment, I'm taking the position that there are few hard rules around it, and I'd need a lot more evidence than pointing to a couple of isolated instances to say otherwise.
13 hours ago, (PSN)MYKK678 said:3) According to the Debrief of the Zarimans recovery, children weren't allowed on the Zariman either. History is written by the Victor. Also if this is the case, where'd Cavalero get his grenade from? If guns weren't allowed then surely grenades are a big no-no.
The Ember Codex entry is very old and already disagrees with many details from newer sources, so I tend to disregard it as a source of current lore. You say "History is written by the Victor" but the "history" at issue was written by the losers (primarily Cavalero). Cavalero doesn't say he used grenades, but "explosives"; such explosives were likely intended for terraforming work or fertiliser and would not be counted as weaponry.
13 hours ago, (PSN)MYKK678 said:People keep getting confused about this because they keep thinking we're playing as the Operator aboard the Zariman Flashback during New War, but its the Drifters Memory of events.
Another assumption.
13 hours ago, (PSN)MYKK678 said:Your recount of Duviri is outstanding. Its a fantastic read and gets right to the heart of things with completely correct information. The assumption about the Zariman however is not correct. Theres just far too much evidence to the contrary. To be honest for the overall story, who's Zariman it is currently doesn't actually change a lot, but considering the amount of effort and time you've clearly put into the Lore I'd be remiss not to point out the one glaring flaw.
I appreciate the compliments. I think I'm just going to have to disagree with you on this point. I try to shy away from assumptions and theories in my lore writeups and just present the facts as we have them, but in my opinion the amount of evidence we have points strongly towards the Starchart Zariman being the Operator's Zariman. You have reached the opposite conclusion. I think Warframe's lore is often presented in such vague and disparate fashion (by design?) that this kind of thing happens not infrequently. I think that being able to discuss our points of view and contrast them even heightens the discussion on the game's story and world (as much as I can be annoyed by the lack of story details we get sometimes).
I apologise if I've come across as impolite. I've been driving for many hours today and I haven't proofread this comment.
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3 hours ago, (PSN)MYKK678 said:
But as explained earlier, we already know the Operators Zariman returned from the Void and was subsequently destroyed/disposed of.
This has been the accepted conclusion ever since The War Within, but it's actually just an assumption. In TWW, the Lotus says: "When the Zariman was found adrift, the Orokin did everything they could to erase their mistakes. Transit recordings, personnel logs… everything was wiped out. The only thing they kept was… you." This strongly indicates that the Zariman was destroyed by the Orokin, but it does not say it explicitly. Some of the possible explanations I stated earlier in this thread:
- The Zariman was still entangled with the Void even after recovery and slipped back into the Void spontaneously from Orokin custody, which the Orokin covered up with reports of demolition.
- The Orokin did destroy the ship, but it was recreated from the Void as the Holdfasts were in conceptual embodiment.
- The Orokin decided the best way to get rid of the ship was to send it back into the Void deliberately, and thus it was never truly destroyed but remained in the Void.
Of course, we still do not receive any explicit answers with Angels of the Zariman, so any of these or none could be correct. And the possibility remains, faint though I believe it to be, that the Zariman we have now is indeed the Drifter's Zariman, but the evidence points in the other direction as far as I'm concerned.
3 hours ago, (PSN)MYKK678 said:But WHO Conceptually Embodied them? Conceptual Embodiment is the act of thought becoming reality, but there has to be someone there to think.
I think this is making a few assumptions. My theory is that Quinn and the rest of the Holdfasts are conceptual embodiments of their own consciousnesses, which dwelled within the Void long enough to leave imprints. They aren't Drifter's memories of the crew but the crew's memories of themselves. The Holdfasts appear to be complete consciousnesses, missing a few small bits of memory of the incident itself but otherwise effectively identical to the dead people they resemble. I don't think you could get that from just the Drifter's/Operator's memories. I think their own minds created the basis for their own reincarnation through CE.
3 hours ago, (PSN)MYKK678 said:Quinn was vaporised by the children. Laser guns exist.
Weapons were not allowed on the Zariman except the ceremonial ones which became the Incarnon weapons.
3 hours ago, (PSN)MYKK678 said:we Know that the Drifter refused The Wall of Bones power
This is also an assumption. We know the Operator took the deal, as we witnessed it during The New War. But the Drifter simply says that they are the "you" that "did not get rescued" from the Zariman, and that they did not receive Void powers. But did they refuse the deal? Were they even offered the deal in the first place? These are details we don't have. We also don't know if the other Tenno received deals; the current assumption as far as I've seen is that they did not.
4 hours ago, (PSN)MYKK678 said:In the Lore recount in here one of the missing pieces is how the Drifter survived without Void Powers. The others having them would present an answer. But it would also bring up an extremely important question, "If their Zariman clearly never returned properly, where are the Void Children now?". It's possible The Wall of Bone gave them a different deal, maybe it has collected its own army of Void Children from across the Eternal Multiverse, who knows.
I agree that the issue of the other children in the Drifter's timeline is an open question that potentially has very important implications.
3 hours ago, SilentMobius said:My feeling is that the entry of the Zariman into the Void was such a disruptive event that it created a permanent void entity, an "Ur Zariman", if you will, that is the sum of all possible outcomes (But not an equal sum). The Zariman that fell back out isn't simply "The Operators Zariman" vs "The Drifter's Zariman" it's just one collapsed wavefunction whose state fell back out of the void, but "prior" to that collapse it was part of the same all-versions superposition.
So it's not just "The Operator's Zariman" and "The Drifter's Zariman" as a hard split, It's one "cast-off" realspace embodiment and the ongoing superposition.
That's my feeling anyway
I think this is also a strong possibility. The Zariman is so central to Warframe's plot that I could also see it being central within the plot, being a nexus of multiple realities. Archimedian Yonta may hint to this when she says "This place is like an embassy. Playing host to misfit realities that were never chosen." The fact that you can see Duviri through the Zariman's Void tear, as well as the fact that the Drifter's Zariman and the Starchart Zariman seem to be connected through the Dormizone, also lends credence to this theory.
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9 hours ago, (PSN)GEN-Son_17 said:
I just wanted to say a very big THANK YOU. My wife doesn't play games but she has a huge curiosity about this game since I've been playing and enjoying it for so long. Now, after listening to Ordis' story, she thoroughly enjoys all of the lore and gets excited when I complete a codecs series. After she read your post and watched DSiege's new vid, she wanted to let you know that she appreciated the great read!
I'm glad she liked it! I have similar discussions about other topics that you can find here, though none are as long as the Duviri one so far.
6 hours ago, (PSN)robotwars7 said:I'm kinda hoping that DE temporarily bring back one of the spookier islands like the Doll mausoleum or Lorn for Halloween. there's a ton of potential for horror material here, and I love the idea of fighting materialized nightmares. plus this would also be a golden opportunity for Four Horseman of the Apocalypse Kaithe Skins, which would certainly get me, and probably a few others, more interested in using Kaithes outside of Duviri.
I would love to see some of the Lost Islands return, although for a very specific personal reason: Acrithis (and some other Duviri residents) are pretty pessimistic about the long-term fate of Duviri, citing the missing islands as a factor, and that just gets me down for some reason. So I would love for DE to restore some hope to them. Of course, I'll also be excited about the lore implications as well, and I agree that there are so many opportunities to do things like holiday events and such. Plus, Duviri is intended to be accessible to all players, which is what DE would need for something like a holiday event. Anyone who's done The Duviri Paradox can hop right in and participate (unlike if DE did something like, for example, a Railjack-based event like Operation: Scarlet Spear).
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5 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:
I recall something like that regarding Quinn, but I cannot find it again.
It's in the cutscene dialogue when you rank up to Seraph with the Holdfasts. You can read it here (scroll down to Seraph cutscene).
Archimedian Yonta: "And Quinn… the children didn't understand he was a friend. They blasted him to ash."
The other thing Atsia is referring to is the audio logs uncovered in the Zariman ARG, which detail events before, during, and after the Void-jump incident. LOG_Z10_3_S-624ST (which you can listen to on YouTube) describes one of the insane adults being killed by a child with Void powers.
The Husband: "Because the moment you turned to the sound of my voice… was all that child needed to prove… the Void doesn't just take. It also gives."
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11 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:
But isnt the Zariman we are on, where the holdfast also are, the Drifter Zariman that emerged? Since the "original" Zariman was found long ago by the Orokin. So arent the Holdfast from the Drifter Zariman those we interact with? While the Holdfast from the tenno Zariman are truely dead and gone with all other adults and have been so for thousand(s) of years? Just as all angels are adults (and possibly kids) from the Drifter Zariman aswell that have succumbed to the void, and those from the original Zariman are just dead and gone.
As Atsia points out, the details we've learned indicate that the Zariman in the Origin System is the Operator's Zariman. It was implied (though not explicitly stated) in The War Within that the Orokin destroyed the Zariman after they recovered the Tenno, so this probably contributes to the confusion. There are multiple explanations I can think of to explain the survival of the Zariman, though DE has not pointed towards any of these specifically:
- "Possibly the Void's grasp on the ship was never fully relinquished, and it slipped back into unreality from a Lua dock, which the Orokin then covered up with reports of demolition." (this is actually a quote from my Zariman discussion, which is slightly out of date)
- The Orokin did destroy the ship, but it was recreated from the Void as the Holdfasts were in conceptual embodiment; I personally doubt this.
- The Orokin decided the best way to get rid of the ship was to send it back into the Void deliberately; I think this is the most plausible.
- Angels of the Zariman is a wholescale retcon of older canon; this would be pretty unsatisfying.
I take the Zariman floating in Duviri's sky to be the Drifter's Zariman, given that the Drifter created Duviri while on board the ship. I also think the two Zarimans are extensively entangled, such that they might occupy the same space and be essentially indistinguishable, but that's a bit of speculation on my part.
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2 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:
Was Drifter the only survivor on "his" Zariman? What I mean is, werent the "Homesteaders" also part of those survivors for a period of time? We know they are conceptual emobdyments in a way, but were their bodies fully gone and what we have is only their own reconceptualization made from their own surviving mind that has been left in the void?
We have only very limited information on what happened on board the Drifter's Zariman. We may assume that all the adults went insane, as with the Operator's timeline, but seeing as the Drifter and other children in their timeline did not receive Void powers, the later events are completely unknown. But it's worth noting that, at least in the original timeline, the Holdfasts all died during the Zariman incident and were only resurrected by the Void much later. So I wouldn't take the Holdfasts as an indication that the corresponding individuals are alive on the Drifter's Zariman now.
2 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:Oh and a thing that always grabs my attention regarding the Duviri skybox. There is a massive continent located just at the "foot" of the Zariman, which shows just how absurdly far Duviri used to reach. It also makes me wonder what is on that island/continent? It seems huge! edit: Or wait, is that maybe an uninhabited island and the part where Teshin has his actual cave?
I mention this briefly in the "Topography" section:
QuoteThe Zariman, floating in the sky, can also be seen to be embedded within a large island, but seeing as the ship is ignored by the residents of Duviri and treated as if it does not exist42, this island is likely mostly uninhabited. However, Teshin's cave is connected to a Dormizone on the Zariman, and so is probably located within the island.
Curious about the behind-story of Abyss of Dagath (Abyssal Zone)?
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As others have said, the Defixios are probably affecting the syndicate Operatives in ways they don't affect the warframes. Additionally, the syndicate joint operation appears to be mostly inexperienced or new members; most of the Operatives names are "Trainee" or "Recruit" or "Probationer". They may not have seen much combat before.