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1 hour ago, Renegade343 said:
And you assume that all gene-locks are identical, as in all having the same clearance levels. What's to say that there isn't a hierarchical system of gene-locks instead?
It is actually explicit that there is a hierarchical system of gene locks. Orokin society was highly stratified. There were Executors, Archimedians, Sectarus class, Enginus class, servant classes like the Dax and Grineer, and likely other castes as well. The more important the technology, the higher caste you needed to access it. When the Collapse occurred, some technology was available for use, but a lot was restricted. And the "crisis status" automatically locked out a lot of users who were otherwise qualified, meaning they needed even higher access to override the locks. This is illustrated most clearly in the two Synthesis entries: Arid Eviscerator and Guardsman.
Any technology that isn't readily in use by the Corpus (such as energy weapons, AI, and interplanetary travel via the Rails) is part of what is gene-locked. The Corpus can either attempt to bypass the locks, reverse-engineer what they can from the specimens available, or independently replicate the technology, knowing that it already exists. All are lengthy processes and not guaranteed success.
2 hours ago, Renegade343 said:And I'm saying that we have more resources and latent knowledge we could access and at our disposal to make another Railjack-compatible cephalon (thought that was implied in that reply) if we put our heads together.
How would you get the knowledge? Resources, sure, but how could you find out how to operate a Reliquary Drive? You need a cephalon that is built with that knowledge. Cy is pretty clear about that. You can't generate that knowledge out of thin air, especially with Void technology, which is prone to terrifying accidents when not handled properly – eg, the Zariman incident. And the Reliquary Drive is clearly missing some part of itself. Maybe we can find it? Steve hinted that there was a quest to find that part of it. But we can't jerry-rig something to fit in this engine we don't understand. Cy also has extensive logs of Sentient warfare, which is also something you can't just come up with. Cy is literally irreplaceable, which is why he's gonna run the ship despite the fact that he killed his entire last crew. If there were any other option, both Cy and the Tenno would feel much, much better using it instead.
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14 minutes ago, Renegade343 said:
Fusion MOAs' are an example of them being able to reverse-engineer Orokin tech. Detron's a weaker example, but Mara Detron could plausibly contain Orokin components in it, given the Codex flavor text.
Really, we could quite possibly create our own cephalon for our Railjacks, given we have more access to the tech.
Their breakthroughs are few and far between. Fusion Moas, Oxium, and… that's about it? The Mara Detron was used by Orokin-era smugglers, likely not Orokin themselves, so it also wouldn't have any higher technology that was under gene-lock.
It's not about the cephalon itself; it's a cephalon capable of running the complex systems of the Railjack. If you plugged Ordis or even Simaris into the Railjack they almost certainly wouldn't know how to operate the Reliquary Drive.
37 minutes ago, ShotgunForHire said:I orignally stated that I already knew about the "universally-available tacticals". What I'm asking is what wasn't shown, such as "Could she have used any of her OWN four abilities on the railjack?"
Sorry, I didn't see that. Why would she be able to use others' abilities but not her own?
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2 hours ago, ShotgunForHire said:
Is normal ability use prevented on deck?
During DevStream 134, we watched Rebecca cast Vauban's Orbital Strike in the cargo bay of the Railjack. There doesn't seem to be any restrictions.
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1 hour ago, nslay said:
Cephalon Jordas was a ship cephalon for a Corpus frigate... that sounds like a military ship! And how do you know they would be incompatible? The Cephalon technology originates from the Orokin and the Corpus derive theirs from the Orokin versions.
The Corpus ships are much less complex than the Railjack. The Railjack generates its own Solar Rails, which not even most Orokin ships could do. That's presumably the function of the Reliquary Drive. Cephalon Cy talks about Void technology a lot during the Rising Tide quest, referring to components of the ship as "the most advanced ever produced". That's why no other cephalon is able to run it. Only a cephalon that had been made by the Orokin for the express purpose of piloting the Railjack.
Also, Corpus technology is a far cry from Orokin. They try to reverse-engineer Orokin tech, but it's all gene-locked. Most of their technological advancements in energy weapons likely happened independently, rediscovering what the Orokin did millennia ago. They're nowhere near on the same level, except from our (modern-day) perspective.
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14 hours ago, Numerikuu said:
Agreed. I was so disappointed that he had nothing to say for the Railjack release 😞
He sent an inbox message to clan Warlords letting them know that they could now build the Dry Dock.
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1 hour ago, Hypernaut1 said:
I really wish this was something that they continually added lines to every few updates. Kind of like a running Easter egg, with hidden triggers. Missed opportunity to make game feel alive.
They do this with Nora Night. Every now and then they release a batch of new lines for her. It makes my task of keeping her dialogue page up-to-date difficult.
Although, Sheryl Mebane (the voice actor for Nora) has sort of implied that she's only done about 2 voice acting sessions for DE, so I'd guess they had her record tons and tons of lines and are parcelling out the release of those lines into the game for some reason.
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On 2019-11-24 at 1:35 PM, NinjaKitsune56 said:
All weapons take 24 hours to manufacture
Plenty of weapons take only 12 hours to manufacture.
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8 hours ago, chaotea said:
Yea, on steves twitter. But so were orb enemies, which at the time where just 'new corpus enemies' and not tied to the open world.
Not sure when Empyrean was shown on Steve's twitter prior to TennoCon 2018 (the Fortuna demo), but the Railjack ship was shown and discussed extensively at TennoCon 2017, and shown on a couple of Steve's Sunday streams after that.
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4 hours ago, chaotea said:
I dont mean it was going to be released as part of it, but that it was going to be a future add on, like how the orb mother bosses have been. Its just that the sytem has expanded greatly since then.
The system was always supposed to be expansive. Empyrean was previewed in the Developer Art Panel at TennoCon in 2017, the year before Fortuna was shown off at TennoLive. And, right after the 2018 reveal of Railjack, [DE]Steve said on twitter and on devstreams that it wouldn't just be the Corpus raid with Nef Anyo they showed off at TennoLive. It was going to be a whole immersive system with all factions. It was never limited to what was shown off in 2018. It has, doubtlessly, expanded significantly since then as well, as you say, with the Kuva Liches and Squad Link and all the other stuff.
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The Kuva Guardians' dialogue lines during the spawning of a Kuva Larvling indicate that the process isn't guaranteed. Of course, it is guaranteed for us (bugs and glitches aside), because that'd be yet another frustrating level of RNG, but it seems that not every kuva-spiked Grineer grunt turns into a lich. Maybe even the vast majority of them (canonically) don't work out. Putting their trusted commanders through that process seems unwise until they can make it more guaranteed.
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2 hours ago, Urlan said:
I have figured that things shown in Tennocon are not representative of immediately "Soon", but I appreciate the confirmation to not expect it anytime in the real soon. Good information to have to shape further expectations.
To be fair, Empyrean looks like it's much more "around the corner" than the Duviri Paradox. But TennoCon demos have always shown things that were several months out (War Within: November; PoE: October; Fortuna: November; Empyrean: ???).
2 hours ago, RWBY-WhiteRose said:I understand that game development takes time... but the lack of transparency at times can be... frustrating to say the least. Sometimes, when the community is bursting with rage at certain issues, the lack of transparency after that is quite off putting, even though you are one of the more transparent developer teams out there.
DevStreams, which are sort of the core of DE's player engagement, are semiweekly (though not as much in recent months), which seems fairly frequent to me. At what point do the demands for transparency become unreasonable? Should Rebecca issue a statement on the Forums every time there are, say, 10 angry posts about a new update? The hotfixes show that the system is clearly under review. There are dedicated channels for community engagement and the disbursement of information, primarily the DevStreams, of which there is one scheduled next week. That's really not that long to wait for official news. And, as Rebecca says, there will continue to be hotfixes and iterations in the meantime. There are ongoing machinations behind the scenes as to the ultimate state of the Kuva Lich system, and I would argue that a premature statement is worse for everyone than a statement issued in its time.
2 hours ago, RWBY-WhiteRose said:As for the whole monetary transaction thing, Lich trading is the equivalent of slavery in this game. It's not that great. Maybe force Lich trading to have to include another Lich? Whatever the solution to this is, wouldn't mind you sharing more on your plans.
? Are you saying that, because the real-world action would be morally reprehensible, that the in-game action should be prohibited? It's a video game.
I don't think that means video games should be an arena for engaging in otherwise-immoral behaviour exclusively, and I think video game developers have a responsibility to make sure they're not promoting negative trends in real-life activities, but… I don't see the problem with Kuva Lich trading. In Skyrim, you have the ability to massacre innocent civilians wholesale. Should that also have been prevented by Bethesda?
I don't mean to sound facetious, inflammatory, or overly cynical. I'm just trying to understand your objection here.
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51 minutes ago, Loza03 said:
If the Tenno weren't given frames until one was built for them, the Orokin would likely have fallen in the meantime. That would mean, at first, there was one soldier trying to fight an entire army that nobody else could even stand against. If the Mag Prime entry is to be believed, by the time Tenno hit the scene, Sentient squads were capable of annihilating entire armies with minimal effort. The Orokin could not reasonably afford to not deploy multiples of some frames, at least at first. Some may have been distinct, but even an army of elites needs footsoldiers as well as specialists.
I agree with you in terms of modern military strategy, but there are a few complicating factors here:
1. The setting of outer space invalidates much of our current understanding of warfare. The vast distances and travel times, the sparseness of population and military centres, the lack of gravity and air, changes the approach significantly. This is to be kept in mind as a general concept.
2. The setting in the future, and specifically the advanced technology of the Orokin, further abstracted by the usage of Void power, means that many of our usual assumptions do not hold true (for example, the Orokin can achieve faster-than-light travel using Void technology in the Solar Rail network).
The Sentients were capable of annihilating entire armies, yes, but the Orokin were capable of generating entire armies in short order, using cloned Grineer. These Grineer were at least marginally effective against the Sentients. This could have bought them time. The Sentients were generally not able to use the Rails, and so would have been restricted to sub-lightspeed travel.
The first warframe(s) produced would have given the Sentients great pause. The Excalibur Codex entry says that the warframes were "Warrior-gods cast in steel and fury, striking our enemies in a way they could never comprehend." Obviously poetic language, but when your invasion tide gets stopped all of a sudden, you take notice.
The ending of World War II is a complex subject, and I'm no historian, but the commonly held (and commonly taught) belief is that when the United States dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Japanese surrendered because atomic bombs were a new and shocking technology in warfare. It wasn't the destruction of the bombs themselves – Tokyo had suffered conventional bombing only 5 months prior, which killed 100.000 civilians, a comparable number to the losses at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It was because the bombs were new. Obviously the Sentients didn't surrender when the warframes were unleashed against them, but it is reasonable to assume that there was a significant pause or slowing of the war as they assessed these new weapons.
Also, the Mag Prime Codex entry which you cite demonstrates that the warframes were deployed alongside normal troops, and could in fact enhance the effectiveness of those troops. It explains why so many warframes have buffing and teammate abilities. A few warframes could have been very effective, especially at first. We know the Orokin were losing the war, but they might not have been quite on the brink of destruction. They might have had the time to be picky.
Ultimately, I think your theory is as valid and about as likely as mine. You're right that the logical thing to do would be get as many warframes in the field as fast as possible. But I don't think you can strictly rule out the methodical uniqueness approach. The Orokin were known for flaunting logic, efficiency, and common sense in service to their ideals of perfection. That they would do so even in the face of their own extinction is not only a reasonable assumption, it's even borne out by the depiction of Executor Avantus.
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21 hours ago, Loza03 said:
Well, yeah, but... if you can rebuild something, and frequently do, is that really a unique item? And that doesn't address the fact that, at first, there wouldn't be enough Warframes developed to give each Tenno their own unique one, even if it's only a thousand or so.
I was taking "unique" to mean that there was only one of each warframe extant at a time. So, to the enemy's perspective, there would only be one Gauss warframe, not a platoon of Gausses zipping about everywhere. And perhaps the Tenno were kept asleep (in the "first dream") until a warframe was built for them.
17 hours ago, TenebraeAeterna said:...I thought it was common knowledge that there was only one of each frame?
Well, what I mean to say is that there were originally one of each frame during the time of the Orokin...which then changed for each prototype that they deemed viable. After that point, duplicates were undoubtedly cloned in a process similar to the Grineer for frames that fell in battle...
Do you have a source for this? What we have in this thread is mostly speculation, with some evidence for certain supporting facts. The theory you present is similar to mine, but it's still just theory until something comes out that confirms or refutes it.
17 hours ago, TenebraeAeterna said:Back then, every Operator was likely bound to a single Warframe because, from how the story seems to play out, we thought that we were the Warframe we inhabited. The fact that we now jump from Warframe to Warframe like they're a new suit seems to be relatively new. We don't even fully remember our past, or the great war, when we wake up...we're just the Warframe we inhabit.
This is also what I think, based on the dialogue at the end of the Second Dream.
17 hours ago, TenebraeAeterna said:The original Gauss was likely a single Tenno individual and the Gauss Warframe...two psyches working as one. When the body died, a new Warframe with that same psyche was waiting for the operator to jump into it...ignorant to the fact that they were two distinct beings due to the memory bleed. It's very likely that the Orokin used the memory-bleed to their advantage, ultimately dissolving the individual psyches until both Warframe and Tenno believed that they were truly one being who, when their body died, would simply be resurrected by their Orokin masters.
I think this is largely correct, though I think you're overstating the degree to which the warframes have a psyche. Much of their consciousness appears to be gone, with the exception of Umbra. I'm not sure there's enough of a psyche for the Tenno Operators to take notice of.
12 hours ago, Talonflight said:That's because there IS only one of each warframe. According to lore, each Tenno's power manifested differently. They channeled their unique strengths into the Warframe, their own ideas and talents molding the kind of Warframe that they would control.
At first, they turned to already-made Warframes that were simply 'close enough'; the Umbra warframes. They were prototypes; tests. Only a handful were ever used. They simply found Tenno who's particular 'void manifestations' were similar to the old, abandoned 'bio drones', and crammed them into them via transference. This is why Umbra warframes, the ones who have people inside them, are a rare and a lost secret; because according to lore found in The Sacrifice, they were from an older abandoned project and were ultimately just 'test subjects'.
However, once it became clear how useful the Warframes were, they began to craft Prime warframes as the pillars of strength. These did not have people inside them; they were made specifically as vessels for the Tenno, without a 'will' to animate them, so as better to fool the Tenno who slept in the second dream. As the war grew on, while the Tenno were winning, sometimes the Prime Warframes would take damage, and the beautiful Prime Warframes would have to be repaired...
...Thus, came the ordinary Warframes; mass-production models, cheaper to produce, and more replacable when damaged. Eventually, the Prime Warframes were kept only in Orokin Vaults, no longer used by the Tenno except for ceremonies and great need. That is why we all start out in Normal Warframes; because the Primes are lost in Orokin locations, where we left them long ago.Do you have a source for any of this? Sounds like great headcanon.
The second paragraph is certainly drawing on the Sacrifice quest, but even so, you are making a lot of details out of Ballas' vague narration. And I wouldn't call them "Umbra" warframes – Umbra was an individual who was completely unrelated to these very early warframe models.
12 hours ago, Talonflight said:As for the cutscenes that feature warframes specifically, it is doubtful that they can be considered fully canon in their own right, but should be considered 'canon enough'. A warframe DID probably die in the Profit trailer; but they can't very well be Excalibur if your particular Tenno IS excalibur, right? But DE can't simply design a warframe and NOT give the players access to it. The community backlash would be too intense. Therefore, every warframe is available; but canonically, not every warframe is 'alive' today.
I think this is a reasonable assumption to make. There is always a dividing line between what is canon and what is gameplay in terms of video game mechanics.
12 hours ago, Talonflight said:Also worth noting, the players ability to switch warframes is NOT canon. That is gameplay, taking precedence over Lore. This is why the Operator was so distraught in The War Within, moaning piteously about how "I lost my Warframe!" It isn't just one in his collection; its his ONLY one. We, the player have variety, but the CHARACTER we play as does NOT.
Ordis might make a comment about Warframe specs, acquiring blueprints, and encourage us to build other Warframes, but if the Operator could so simply 'switch warframes' at will then the entirety of The War Within shouldn't have been a problem. In fact, every single Warframe 'fatality' that has taken place since the beginning of the war shouldn't have taken place if the Tenno can simply switch to a new one. The Tenno, now that they have 'awakened', MIGHT be able to do so; but its not normal, or usual. I personally believe that the Tenno retrieves the Warframe blueprints, builds them, and brings them to the Relays to give to a Tenno who has awoken but doesn't have a transference link.
It actually is canon. Ordis makes reference to it in his dialogue after changing your warframe in the Arsenal: "If I may say, Operator, your chosen warframe 'suits' you! Ha. Ha." He also says at the end of the Limbo Theorem quest: "Well, perhaps when you occupy this frame, you will use more... caution." What happened in the War Within is the warframe was used as a focal point so the Operator could return to the Kuva Fortress. What the Operator says is: “No. But I’ve lost my warframe… and Teshin… what if the Queens know that he helped me escape? I have to go back.” They seem much more focused on Teshin's fate. If their warframe was lost forever… that appears to just be an inconvenience, as it would be if there were multiple warframes for the Tenno.
8 hours ago, DrakeWurrum said:Not entirely true. Specific frames were mass-produced: Excalibur, Mag, Volt, probably Ember and Frost. Pretty much the "original 8" or something like that.
All the others are special and unique one-of-a-kind type frames. Limbo, Inaros, Gauss, Mirage. etc etc. It may be that these were special projects or experiments as Ballas played around with the Helminth strain, coming up with new designs. It seems like the Tenno of the Old War may even have had some involvement in creating new frames, maybe after the Betrayal.
This is likely just true of the Old War, however. The current-era Tenno are uncovering these old Warframe designs and re-purposing them, so that more than one copy is made, and thus new variants (skins) are born. Thus explaining why we can have a cell of 4 Grendel.Source for this?
8 hours ago, DrakeWurrum said:We also know from a certain tidbit of lore in the Codex (I think from Simaris scans) that the Infestation can basically instantly clone any single, individual person that it has... assimilated. And copy their capabilities, and even memories, through all of these copies. We don't know the specific mechanics behind this - it may be there's some sort of "Undermind" involved, like with Halo's Flood. Clearly only the Helminth strain of Infestation is capable of copying our frames, else we would see more Rhino-like beasts roaming.
You appear to be referencing the Corrupted Ancient Synthesis entry, in which an Orokin healer is assimilated by the Technocyte, allowing multiple Infested lifeforms to exhibit her healing powers. I wouldn't call this cloning though. However, the Tenno and their warframes appear to be immune to the Technocyte, so there's little worry about Infested warframes running about (Infested Mesa being a special case).
8 hours ago, DrakeWurrum said:We also don't know for sure if Umbra came first, or if Umbra was some secret side-project that Ballas carried out to do something different with the Warframes. Because we know that a key flaw of these supersoldiers was that they were not free of the Infestation's... mindless destruction... as desired. The Infestation still affected them and caused them to run amok. Ballas needed a method to control them.
We actually do know that Umbra came later, as Ballas' secret side project. It's clear from the dialogue in the quest that Umbra was transformed quite late into the Old War.
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22 hours ago, EmberStar said:
At the start of it, an Excalibur variant (although not the default skin) is torn to pieces by Alad V and sold to the highest bidders as spare parts. If there is only ONE of each Warframe, then Excalibur is canonically dead. Except that the intro trailer to The Second Dream (which they showed publicly and therefore isn't exactly a spoiler) shows the Stalker being annoyed that no matter how many times he slays individual Warframes, they seem to refuse to remain dead. "You cut off their heads, yet they rise again." says the Ominous Voice.
We know the warframes are based on blueprints that can be replicated. Once Alad V or the Stalker kills an Excalibur, that Tenno can obtain the blueprints and build that warframe again. This is not mutually exclusive with the idea that there was only one of each warframe during the time of the Orokin (excluding Excalibur Umbra).
22 hours ago, Troposphere6 said:Trailing edges: streamlined, foiled, this particular one vaguely warped by extreme heat stress." From his discription of the Gauss in the museum which indicates at least 2 gauss' existing.
Are you thinking that "this particular one" is referring to the Gauss? From my reading of the sentence, it's referring to the trailing edges of the aerofoil: "The trailing edges are supposed to be streamlined and foiled, but this one right here is warped." The Gauss warframe in the exhibit doesn't seem "warped" at all.
21 hours ago, Loza03 said:Even if it was found somewhere else, it's highly unlikely that many parts could have come off a frame in such a way that they can be easily replaced without a foundry that somebody could just... reconstruct a full second Gauss out of them. Especially head parts.
We know that the Tenno carried with them foundries that could replicate entire warframes, because we still have it in our ship. The Orbiter we use is the same Orbiter we used in the Old War.
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10 hours ago, Jarriaga said:
This supports the notion that there's only one of each WF
This does appear to have been the implication in the game for quite some time now, as the examples you cite attest.
11 hours ago, Jarriaga said:what would be the implications for frames such as Valkyr Prime for example?
My guess is – and this is mostly speculation – that each Tenno had a warframe they mainly used. For example, Rell mostly used Harrow (until he was cast out). We know they likely didn't swap out warframes as quickly as we do now, because the Tenno Operators were in the "Second Dream" during the Old War. They were still asleep, not fully remembering what and who they were, so they believed they were the warframe. This sensation could not have been perpetrated if they were constantly swapping into and out of warframes.
Anyways, it probably was not much of a stretch (as far as cognitive dissonance goes) to swap between the prime and non-prime versions of warframes, so I imagine the Tenno that used Valkyr also used Valkyr Prime from time to time, and they just happened to be using Gersemi Valkyr (which was previously the base Valkyr) when they were captured by Alad V.
10 hours ago, BornWithTeeth said:People who don’t know about the Tenno, don’t know. They don’t necessarily know about the distinction between Tenno and Warframe. So, historical accounts written by third parties are likely to confuse the weapon with the individual. There are also some faint and contradictory accounts which might be either an out of control ‘frame, or a Tenno carrying out a personal objective.
This is also good to keep in mind. Although, it seems like everyone these days knows the secrets of the Tenno. The Quills, Little Duck, Nora Night…. who is even in the dark these days?
10 hours ago, Dragmod said:My understanding is that while originally there were only one of each frame, those being the Primes, the "standard" frames were developed after the fall of the Orokins.
Though, we know there were also multiple attempts to create Excalibur. Umbra being one of the early attempts and Prime being the final, perfected attempt.
We know the standard models of the warframes were present at the time of the Orokin. The What Remains comic depicts a base-model Octavia with a squadron of Dax. Umbra was far from early. Excalibur's Codex entry states that Excalibur was the first warframe (it isn't stated whether this is base Excalibur or Excalibur Prime), so all other warframes followed him. Umbra was created fairly late into the Old War and the deployment of the Tenno on the front lines, so he's entirely separate from that first Excalibur. Why he has the model and abilities of Excalibur is unexplained. Perhaps Ballas wasn't being very creative at the time.
10 hours ago, (PS4)Eluminary said:The umbra quest showed this for the most part, all excaliburs are clones of that guy and he was the first. We even see him killed and we rebuild him.
As addressed above, Umbra is not the first or original Excalibur.
10 hours ago, (PS4)Ozymandias-13- said:I always figured there is only one "original" of each frame, whose personality/theme was tailored to their creator (host?). We are just creating blueprints to duplicate that specific design.
This is likely. I imagine the warframes were crafted to reflect both their original hosts and the Tenno who they would ultimately serve. We know Mirage's host was able to corrupt her warframe with her force of will and personality (though this was clearly a surprise to Ballas – perhaps this didn't happen all that often). We also know that the Tenno Operators' Void powers could manifest in different ways. Margulis (and Kaleen) was burned by one of the Tenno – perhaps that Tenno was eventually given Ember to control.
10 hours ago, DrBorris said:My take is that there were " original Warframes", self sentient beings. And when Ballas talked about those un-piloted Warframes being uncontrollable that was not that they were beasts, but that those Warframes had their own free will and did not follow the will of the Orokin. It is easier to control the will of teenagers that have had their mind wiped than some person you tortured.
The way Ballas describes it in the Sacrifice doesn't really line up with what you're describing. Ballas says they were "volunteers or not", which implies some of them were in fact volunteers, eager to fight for the Orokin. Yet he says that all of the first-generation warframes turned on the Orokin when they were released. Why? We know that the Technocyte virus subsumes your consciousness. Ballas says of those warframes that "their minds were free of the Infested madness. Or so we thought." It sounds like his conclusion is that the Technocyte did overwhelm them and caused them to go feral.
9 hours ago, CephalonDizzy said:And Mirage Primes trailer showing her fighting post orokin grineer is impossible due to Mirage being destroyed in the old war.
I'm pretty sure what's shown in the trailers are theatrical liberties. Nekros Prime and Banshee Prime are fighting Grineer, presumably at the behest of the Orokin, yet the Grineer are not known to have rebelled against the Orokin until the Collapse.
That being said, Mirage Prime fighting Grineer isn't an impossibility, since Void relics allow us to obtain blueprints for items, including warframes, from long ago. Mirage Prime (and all primes) may have been constructed in the present day using this process. But again, the video footage of the prime cinematic trailers appears to be unrelated to Ballas' speech, except for in theme.
8 hours ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:The Gauss part said “For every Grendel there is a Gauss”.
It does not say that. It says "wherever we find evidence of Grendel, we’re sure to find some trace of Gauss as well".
8 hours ago, Loza03 said:Consider this - there is a piece of Gauss found wherever there is Grendel. If Warframes are unique, that means they are irreplaceable. However, there is a full Gauss with helmet aerofoil intact in Drusus's Leverian, from Altra. If Gauss was unique, he couldn't have been found at Altra because Altra happened pre-fall, and thus he would have walked away unharmed to lose his piece later, and thus would lack it at Altra.
I doubt Gauss' warframe-corpse was found at Altra (it certainly seems his weapons were, though), as he doesn't appear to have died there. As for the bits of Gauss, it's entirely possible that the part that broke off at Riddha was repaired or replaced. It seems like a pretty minor part that could easily have been manufactured by a Tenno Foundry.
8 hours ago, Loza03 said:If Warframes are unique, that means they are irreplaceable.
This also isn't necessarily true. The warframes are based on blueprints (which appear to be encoded into their DNA, according to Sigor Savah), so they are easily replaceable, as evidenced by the fact that it takes Ordis ten seconds to reconstruct Umbra after he was vaporised. However, they could still be unique in the sense that only one of them exists at a time. Ballas discusses in the Banshee Prime trailer how and why he values uniqueness, so I can see him holding this principle, only building a new Banshee after the old one is destroyed in battle.
8 hours ago, Loza03 said:it's highly unlikely that each Warframe was entirely unique
Why do you say that? Is it because there are so few warframe models (42 as of Grendel)? Because the number of Tenno is likely to be similarly low. Probably not 40, but likely less than a few thousand at most. And we definitely haven't seen all models of warframe.
If it's for some argument of pragmatism, you have to remember that pragmatism was almost antithetical to the Orokin. I have no problem seeing Ballas make a specialised, unique warframe for each and every Tenno, just to suit his sensibilities.
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It's usually in December or January, if I recall correctly.
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Melee: 8/10. Perfectly serviceable changes. Removed my main objections to the previous round of melee changes (no manual blocking, bizarre mobility). I haven't tried all weapon types and stances but the ones I have (heavy blades, sword & shield, single swords, daggers) have been very nice and intuitive. Dagger range is no longer only 1mm. I'll have to do a thorough review of all my melee weapons to see if I should shift around mods. As for the Condition Overload and crit chance nerfs… I wasn't rooting for them, but I'm not crying over them either. Now, melee damage doesn't scale ridiculously from a low amount. It starts high, and gets a little higher over time. I'm good with that. I don't think DE is required to enable endurance mission play.
Lich: 10/10. Huge fan. I enjoy the personalities of the liches (although so far I've only seen 2 different personalities. I assume there's a couple more) and their dialogue. I like the lore implications – personally, that's always my main focus on new Warframe content. I like seeing this avenue for upgraded Grineer weapons. Previously we just had Wraith and Prisma versions, and those came out pretty slow, but now we can potentially get kuva-weapon releases on par with Primes for Tenno weapons. But keeping my expectations low there. I like the difficulty, and overall I like the system. I don't share the opinions of players who think it's too much RNG or grind. First of all, there are changes down the road and some already implemented that will ease the grind, but second, I'm pretty sure that was the intent in the first place. It'll take me ages to get all the kuva weapons and forma them to get all the Mastery Rank I can out of them, and I look forward to that. This update will have me playing Warframe consistently for a long, long time until I achieve that goal.
Unfortunately I haven't touched Ember or Vauban at all, so I can't give a rating there. I will say, I've seen Embers in my missions, and her new 4 looks pretty cool, as in the visual effects. But as for efficacy and fun factor, I really can't say.
I'll add in my own category though:
Leverian: 20/10. I know it got introduced with Saint of Altra, but Update 26 brings two new Leverian entries. As I stated earlier, lore is my primary fascination with the game, and the Leverian delivers such a concentrated dose of lore on elements of Origin System history we haven't seen yet. Honestly my favourite part of the update. Obviously the actual interface of the Leverian exhibits is a bit lacklustre, but I assume that's a work in progress. Maybe we'll get to meet Drusus Leverian at some point.
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Ah yes, Corpus Hong Kong.
I think this is a pretty good stop-gap that'll last DE a few years. I've heard plenty of people asking for a cyberpunk tech noir Corpus city tileset, which would also work, but take a while to develop. This is a good compromise that I don't think anyone will really complain about.
1 hour ago, (PS4)BloodyHell said:the current tileset doesn’t 100% match the topography of the Orb Vallis.
How so? Do you mean that there aren't the giant fungi and rock formations? The Venus cephalon fragment indicates that there are several icy places on Venus, not just the Orb Vallis.
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4 hours ago, nokinoks said:
what the actual fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk???????!!!!!! Who thought this was a good idea??!!!
Rebecca said both on Prime Time and on Steve's update stream that it's so players don't get all the Requiem mods and then never open a Requiem relic again. They want you to keep experiencing that content.
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37 minutes ago, General_Durandal said:
That sounds like the biggest scam ever. Hey, this little belt thing costs more then the whole car just to replace!
It's not a scam, it's just how cars work. Using this depreciation site, you can see that a 10-year-old car that initially cost $30k is now worth about $882. After 10 years, it's getting up there in mileage, it's time to replace the timing belt. This procedure can cost up to $900 dollars (mostly in labour costs). The cost to repair the car is literally more than it's worth. This exact scenario has happened to me. It's why timing chains are coming back into fashion, because they don't need to be replaced as often.
43 minutes ago, General_Durandal said:16380 damage per second, vs 23100 damage per second. They have the same riven disposition.
You're taking two weapons with the same riven disposition and showing how you can get different DPS numbers on them. I was saying that you can take two weapons with wildly different riven dispositions, and the riven will help the weaker weapon come up to the level of the stronger one.
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6 minutes ago, General_Durandal said:
You can repair that car with more parts and money.
You can't repair a riven after it's been nerfed. (DE can by buffing it though)It's not about repairing the car; it's about knowing what you're getting into.
Also, a lot of the time, replacing the timing belt costs more than the value of the car (when it's up there in mileage), so you're really better off not buying it. That's the point I was trying to make.
7 minutes ago, General_Durandal said:10 + 100% is 20
20 + 100% is 40
30 + 200% is 90
100 + 1% is 101
The strongest weapons will always be the strongest even with the weakest rivens.This is hyperbole you pulled out your ass and you know it.
The range of rivens isn't 1%-200%, and the range of weapon damage isn't 10-100.
The highest disposition melee weapon, from what I can see, is the Amphis, which as of the update has 130 damage. The lowest disposition melee weapon is the Zenistar, which has 298 damage – 2.3 times as much as the Amphis. With a riven, the Amphis can have +336% damage, bringing it to 567 damage. With a riven, the Zenistar can get +112% damage, bringing it to 632 damage. Now, you're right that the Zenistar is still higher, but only by about 11%, so they are now roughly in line with each other. Not this 20 compared to 101 nonsense.
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6 minutes ago, General_Durandal said:
What?
So, you're saying if you payed essentially 100+$ for something,
and it all of a sudden become worthless and useless compared to something you can get for free in game,
that it was the buyers fault for, what? Not being able to see the future and know that would happen?Anyone would be complaining about that.
Rivens were stated at the start, as soon as they were introduced, to be changed periodically. If you pay $100+ for something, you better know what you're buying. If you buy a used car with 90.000 miles on it, you better do your research and find out that the timing belt on that model of car needs to be replaced at 100.000 miles. If you end up surprised by that repair bill, that's on you for not knowing what you're getting into.
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18 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:
There are deeper parts of ToS and EULAs that covers it all passively. Most companies tend to run on the same basic forms, forms accepted and implemented by their lawyers. Most of those cover things that could potentially lead to the company getting sued etc. if not kept in check, more so in the US where you can sue people/companies for practically anything.
Yeah, see, I read the whole thing. They're not long documents. There are no "deeper" parts that cover things "passively". It's not written in dense legalese where you have to search for the real meaning. There are very few paragraphs that refer to what you can post on the forums or chats, and I've already written what they say about the topic of political speech. The other sections deal with things like alternate accounts and buying counterfeit plat and installing malware. And there's a section that says you can't sue the company without entering into arbitration first, and a section that gives DE a blanket limitation of liability, so I don't think they're too concerned about being sued over what someone says in Region.
18 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:And the people that relax by discussing politics should maybe find another hobby activity where such a thing is actually common and doesnt invade on the people that try to exercise the actual hobby at hand. I dont go to a concert, public resturant or the movies to talk politics with random people. You know why? Because it would be rude and odd, same deal when it comes to people pushing their idea on total strangers in a game.
You know, I can sort of get behind your idea. I don't talk about politics at concerts and I don't talk at all during movies because I'm not a terrible person. Similarly, I don't open up Region chat and start posting political slogans. But when I'm hanging out with my friends at a restaurant or café or bowling alley, we will talk about politics because it's something we all find interesting and agree is important, and if someone from the next table overhears us, I'm not going to apologise for it (presuming we're not speaking at an unreasonable volume). Similarly, if someone is having a discussion in Region chat, I don't find that inappropriate and I may join in – just because the chat is open to all players doesn't mean that the chat topics need to appeal to all players; that's tyranny of the majority. And if someone opens a forum topic about a Chinese company as it pertains to Warframe and Digital Extremes, then I may just join into the conversation with discussions about how the Chinese government and economy may influence the game.
18 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:I havent seen or sensed political colors in any game over the last 25 years unless it has been 100% out in the open like in Overwatch (pandering to the rainbow)
Assuming by "pandering to the rainbow" you're referring to LGBT representation, that isn't political. It's people's identities, and there really isn't an opinion to be had on them.
I'm not too plugged into what games are out there, because I really only play Warframe, but even I know that Cyberpunk 2077 is dealing with a lot of hot-button societal issues. And [DE]Steve has said that the debt-slavery conditions in Fortuna are a commentary on today's Western capitalism. Games, like all art, are often made by people with political views, who often don't shy away from injecting those into the art they create.
18 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:And where does the line go regarding when a company is political or not? If say I have a game development company and decided to sell it to Tencent because they were interested, would that make me politically engaged even though I dont give a rats ass about anything except the money I get to further evolve and safeguard the games future? Do building contractors/architects suddenly show political colors if they accept a contract from the chinese government to build or design a new building? Do I suddenly start to support fundamentlist islamic views if I accept a job in saudiarabia that involves expanding the infrastructure?
I mean, yes? It means that you value the money from that sale / contract / job more than you value the unethical practices / human rights violations conducted by those parties. If I gave a job to or otherwise entered into a business relationship with an unrepentant serial killer, that would be a commentary on my values.
I actually can't speak to Tencent because I'm not really in the loop on their business practices, but the Chinese and Saudi governments are strange examples given their extensive track records of horrific human rights violations, even in recent times.
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3 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:
Game chats are supposed to be for everyone, hence why politics and religion have no place in them since you never know who may get offended. A gaming community should be about the hobby, the love (or hate (or both)) for the game we play. It is something to take away stress from actual everyday life, everyday life that may be very heavy on politics or religion to begin with. People shouldnt have to think about that stress during a hobby activity just because some ass wipes decide to bring it up just to pat themselves on the back while achieving jack and squat.
Your "should"s and "shouldn't"s don't appear to be based on anything concrete that I can see. Nothing in the Forum guidelines, the EULA, or the ToS say anything prohibiting political speech. The closest it gets is a prohibition on political campaigning stated in the ToS, but you can discuss political topics without campaigning for a particular candidate or party. The guidelines also state that posts should be on topic to the discussion, and I think any discussion of Chinese companies buying Digital Extremes includes discussions about China writ large in the sphere of relevance, given the structure of their command economy.
What @Olphalarepth and @Renegade343 have said is correct. Your blanket statements of "politics doesn't belong in games" is rooted in neither logic nor history. Games are a subset of reality, and politics affects every segment of our reality. Just because you don't like to relax and blow off steam by discussing politics doesn't mean that other people do. Some people don't turn it off.
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So how are Warframe abilities going to work with Railjacks?
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Sorry, I think my phrasing wasn't clear. Energy weapons and AI were examples of things that were NOT gene-locked. As you say, they were commonplace during the time. Rails, now that I think about it some more, were likely inaccessible for some time, but they appear to be in common use now.
Hm. You bring up some good points. The thing is, this doesn't appear to be an option, or else Cy would have suggested it. Perhaps cephalon minds are structured in a non-modular system such that you can't easily move around those chunks of data. As you have pointed out, cephalon can be manipulated during the creation process, but maybe that's not possible once the cephalon is finalised? And maybe Cy cannot separate those parts of himself from the rest and copy them into a new cephalon. The Reliquary Drive is what I'd assume to be the important part here. I imagine its use requires a specific "mindset" that is fundamental to the cephalon. The warfighting databases should be easy enough to transfer, as they presumably exist as episodic memory.
This is all conjecture on my part. I have no concrete evidence to refute the point you are making. I can only say that, if what you suggest were possible, it would have been the option we chose. Since it isn't, it must be impossible. It doesn't make a lot of sense, but that's how storytelling within video games goes… the story is often retroactively created to fit the gameplay, and so you have to come up with reasons why such and such works and doesn't work.