Remedyheart
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2 minutes ago, Eklectus said:
>Mindlessly feeds Lich into a status-immune tank for that miniscule chance of bruteforcing the system.
>Brings his overfed Lich into public missions because he can't take them down solo.
>*@##$es at/peer-pressures players that don't want to feed their own Lich, knowing they'll fail.
>Expects people to help with taking down his, now near-WoSS-grade tank.
>Calls everyone who doesn't want to adopt this Leeching playstyle toxic.
Well that's one to take the cake. Insults galore right there.
I mean the proof is in the threads. Like who are you guys trying to BS? Tried both ways and honestly the best method is a hybrid of both.
From a developer standpoint they would fix the lich conversions to settle this. Because lowering the natural thrall spawn rate for the pub route would hurt everyone.
It's like people cannot see how their greed affects and hurts everyone. Spent a lot of time making guides carrying clanmates and teaching the lich system to players. And here's to predicting the responds. Cheers.
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1 minute ago, DeMonkey said:
I can't force you to read something you don't want to.
Make a point ya echo chamber.
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3 minutes ago, Jeger_Wulfe said:
Zichy - do me a favor if you have time. Next time you get a lich, count the total number of missions you run from start to end to get your lich, and how many times your lich shows up during a mission. I will count mine also, and we will have two data.
I may have to test that myself. Zilchy has been kind enough in this thread that I am afraid that it may just be too much of a burden on such a considerate player.
We need teammates in this game not dictators.
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4 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:
Honestly, can't say I've ever really seen that side of you.
I haven't, I've posted in a civil manner and provided reasoning as to why I personally do not want to mindlessly stab liches.
I also don't see how pointing out someone's hypocrisy is the same as saying "you're wrong". Suggesting you do the very thing you're asking of others is... not even remotely the same as saying "you're wrong".
Then make a point.
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1 minute ago, Aldain said:
Uh...isn't that what you're doing by dismissing anyone you think is toxic?
Actually if you scroll back you and a bunch spamming the solo method is good has been dissing everyone. Been in several threads. You and many will never seem to even try something else.
Please try some patience and listen to others for once. Sigh. Like get the hint. My patience is done eith after countless arguements. You haven't added anything here and you're here to defend your playstyle I get it. But that gets in the way of my playstyle. I made this thread to come to common ground not display your toxic behavior.
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7 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:
Thank you for proving my point.
No thank you for proving my point.
You'll never convince people by only ever going "You're wrong" all the time. It's rude and very barbaric.
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21 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:
Plenty of people have posted in a civil manner and provided a reason as to why they don't want to play the way you do.
I don't see the purpose in choosing to ignore this.
You see, this isn't civil, technically speaking. Very dismissive.
Before you preach civility, make sure you practice it.
You done yet? I swear I keep bringing you and couple of others as proof of the spread of your toxicity.
Lich 25 for me right now.
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Zilchy is the only one who makes sense. He does a combination of both and does it all solo in under an hour. What a player.
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Just now, (PS4)Kakurine2 said:
I demand all the cookies and milk to stabb the lich if insto gibbing is assurred.
Why do I keep expecting a good civil defense for your method but I get this? So silly already.
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Just now, Jeger_Wulfe said:
Well, I will see. Doing it your way this time.
Happy hunting. I got stressed trying to do the solo method, yet things are getting so bad in pubs I might just stick with that slow method just to keep it fun.
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5 minutes ago, DatDarkOne said:
These two fine Tenno manage to convey my thoughts on this. LMAO
Sounds like a confession to the toxic habit there boyo.
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2 minutes ago, -CdG-Zilchy said:
Yeh of course it just depends on when he shows up since survival is only 5 minutes. if he rocks up late I'd rather stab and leave.
Correct save that time waiting and go into another mission where more thralls can spawn for you.
Several factors affect lich conversion such as abilities of the lich as channeling abilities slow down conversion rate. You are hoping for your lich to spawn at the right time which to be honest they do not. Higher lich pevel grants and gives more thralls. Enemies need to be within line of sight of lich to convert. Most missions decrease enemy spawns once the objective is finished. Tanky frames or stealth frames are a must to avoid dying to everything while baiting. Did I also mention the chorse of baiting lich and or enemy spawns for a couppe of conversions?
It's too much of a hassle.
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6 minutes ago, Aldain said:
I think a level 5 Lich is supposed to anger faster?
I thought I heard that somewhere around here.
Yes the higher the level the faster your progress goes. A sort of fail safe for those who have issues dealing with their lich so that way it doesn't actually become truely immortal to the player Early stabs take advantage of this and it even increases max thralls in a mission as well as increase thrall spawn rate.
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8 minutes ago, Hyohakusha said:
Sure, the Revenant one is messed up. But you are causing all of your own problems with the Wisp. I already explained this to you in this thread.
https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1142219-murmur-farming-tips-and-tricks/
You knew what your Requiem order is, and yet you picked a pub match. As I said in the thread above, by running on pub you give yourself a reduced chance of your lich spawning. One person, only their lich can spawn. Multiple people, it's random. Obviously. You made that decision, not the person in the Wisp.
Then, to make things even worse, you started purposely trolling him to prevent him from getting any murmur progress. Because you chose to run on pub and wanted your lich to spawn. I kinda doubt that that "requesting" part was actually a request.
Then because you trolled him and made him stab his lich because of your decision to run on pub, you're surprised that he didn't feel like helping you? When you aren't even geared up to take out your own lich? And then you keep trolling him on top of it.
So first you say you were trolling him, then it changes to you stabbing thralls for him?
And now you're changing what you said originally, trying to play it off like you're the victim? Your "effort"? You couldn't even handle your own lich. He didn't force you to do anything. You "forced" four more missions on yourself. You could've just left and picked a different mission, but you didn't. He didn't grief you, you griefed him. He wasn't the "toxic" one, that was you, trolling him.
"I'm going to run on pub even though I know my murmur combination and know it might create a situation where my lich might not spawn." "Oh, this dude isn't doing what I want him to do to try to get my lich to spawn. I'm going to troll him so he doesn't get any progress too." "What? Why won't he cooperate with me as a team? These people are toxic griefers."
Oh the irony... and I'm still curious as to what your average time to take out a lich from larva to vanquish is.
My loss their gain. Same result no matter how you spin it. The solo method greifed and ruined things there.
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58 minutes ago, Oreades said:
Never expect anything from PUBs especially if you try to strong arm them into doing something they didn't want to do in the first place and then follow that up by holding them hostage. It's just not gonna work.
Honestly you could probably hit up LFG, I suspect there are probably quite a few players there who would be more than willing to form a mutual Lich killing group where everyone just round robins each others Liches.
I was talking to my friend earlier and they where saying that they'd just gone into LFG and asked if anyone needed help and ended up helping like 12 people kill their Liches just because.
Never asked for anything those missions besides "Did you really just do that?" to the Rev player. And warning the Wisp player "Hey man I need my lich to spawn. I can kill her now." At the start of the second mission.
Their gain my loss.
That lich conversion is called the solo method for a reason. The only time I got mad was watching my lich get despawned by the Revenant and after ten minutes of torture with the Wisp.
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1 hour ago, Ikserdok said:
so revenant player was just cheesing this and he was an "stabber" player, tbh someone like him in current state of this content is blessing for "nonstabbers", nonstabbers dont carea bout their liches so this revenant player adapted to this and so he dont need to care bout other liches now, win = win for both sides unles he will be jerk and do what you have described unless you was not saying anything about to stop, you are ready and want to kill it again unless he was jsut to fast for this, then he was cleary jerk but still not from no any actions....just current state of this system "created" him and his behavior so also you cant fully blame him for these actions at all...flawed system created him this way
and about wisp...welp...fast exterminate mission, you both could just ignore his lich if he didnt want to stab his lich and finish mission fast, like many other people who are aware of this and have patience and understanding to people not willing stab their liches, I had many times missions where I was ready to kill my lich but someone's else have spawned who didnt want to stab his lich,,so well as I understand this I wasnt even writing anything to him as I understand this choice, all other wha tI could do it woudl be just to ask him, if still not then I will just leave him
as for 5lvl of your lich and not able to kill him..here is only your fault, most people dont want to lvl their lich to not get situations like this as other people dont have to help you with your lich as this is your lich and there is no reward for them for helping you with it
so if you have lich on sich high lvl then you should be aware of this and get atleast 1 weapon modded for him, for his weakness and resistances which you have showed in your lich info
when I had my liches on 5 lvl:
a) I was going in mission in any gear in mid day time, in time where if there are squads on mission there are mostly full and people willing to get rid of lich at all to get their lich spawned
b) be aware Im going on mission with not full squad or even solo if so unlucky to get to open squad in mission or annoyed enough to just go solo to hunt my own lich and so as for this awarnes I was equiping special modded weapon to be sure I will take down this lich solo
nothing special at all, just awarness of what I can get, expect from this content
Yeah not prepping for it is my own fault yes. I should have exploited weaknesses but I was rushing trying to save my time.
Still lost sleep from it as those failures extended pass my sleep schedule. But again that's on me. Still though with a full team of considerate players we should be able to down a lich no problem. The big issue here is the split between stabbers and nonstabbees. Which started the arguement and conflict which cut off any remote sense of teamwork and progression.
Teamwork was suppose to be a vital point in handling our nemesis but in the end we as players are pointing fingers and fighting each other instead.
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2 minutes ago, Tsukinoki said:
That's kinda your fault though for not being able to handle your lich.
If your lich was level 5 you should actually bring the weapons and frame required to kill them....or are you just in squads to let them do the work of downing your lich for you?
You really should be prepared for your own lich instead of relying on others in your squad to help you down your lich.
And who knows if the wisp would have been able to help you anyways....Meanwhile he did what you wanted him to do: he stabbed his lich.
Why should he help you stab yours? He gets nothing for helping you so whats the point?My loss his gain.
Same result everytime. And I only wanted one thing.
My Brakk can down level 120s easily...but with it being a shotgun...and Liches having full armor...I still need some help. Plus teleport and radiation with a slam attack? Yeah...unless I'm a Rhino or a Nezha I can't handle a lich by myself or full waves of enemies attacking me while another player stands by. The mission ups the difficutly and spawn rate for more players soooo...handling twice as much as I should if...but sure...I'm somehow not a victim.
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1 hour ago, Ikserdok said:
so revenant player was just cheesing this and he was an "stabber" player, tbh someone like him in current state of this content is blessing for "nonstabbers", nonstabbers dont carea bout their liches so this revenant player adapted to this and so he dont need to care bout other liches now, win = win for both sides unles he will be jerk and do what you have described unless you was not saying anything about to stop, you are ready and want to kill it again unless he was jsut to fast for this, then he was cleary jerk but still not from no any actions....just current state of this system "created" him and his behavior so also you cant fully blame him for these actions at all...flawed system created him this way
and about wisp...welp...fast exterminate mission, you both could just ignore his lich if he didnt want to stab his lich and finish mission fast, like many other people who are aware of this and have patience and understanding to people not willing stab their liches, I had many times missions where I was ready to kill my lich but someone's else have spawned who didnt want to stab his lich,,so well as I understand this I wasnt even writing anything to him as I understand this choice, all other wha tI could do it woudl be just to ask him, if still not then I will just leave him
as for 5lvl of your lich and not able to kill him..here is only your fault, most people dont want to lvl their lich to not get situations like this as other people dont have to help you with your lich as this is your lich and there is no reward for them for helping you with it
so if you have lich on sich high lvl then you should be aware of this and get atleast 1 weapon modded for him, for his weakness and resistances which you have showed in your lich info
when I had my liches on 5 lvl:
a) I was going in mission in any gear in mid day time, in time where if there are squads on mission there are mostly full and people willing to get rid of lich at all to get their lich spawned
b) be aware Im going on mission with not full squad or even solo if so unlucky to get to open squad in mission or annoyed enough to just go solo to hunt my own lich and so as for this awarnes I was equiping special modded weapon to be sure I will take down this lich solo
nothing special at all, just awarness of what I can get, expect from this content
I warn my teammates if I am ready to kill my lich. Pretty sure the Rev player saw that and the three players trying to down saud liches. Two of them both being attacked.
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3 minutes ago, Jeger_Wulfe said:
This is very ironic to me. You get mad at the Wisp player for not leveling his lich. He finally does to quiet you, and then your lich spawns, but you can't kill him cause you leveled him to 5.
To top it off, you get mad at the Wisp for not helping you.
Teamwork. Consideration. He wasn't helping me and yet I was still stabbing thralls for him. I lost, he gained.
That's the result of that incident. He had no plans of working with me. I sacrifice my time and effort to get him murmurs. And yet...he can't help me down my lich?
My loss. His gain. That is so heavily one sided that you can't consider him a victim if he still got his goal with every advantage given to him, including my effort used to help him progress. Meanwhile he stopped my progression completely and forced 4 more mission for me to endure before finally killing my lich.
My loss, his gain.
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49 minutes ago, Oreades said:
OK that first incident definitely sounds like super trash, tho I could have sworn DE fixed the Revenant bug like three patches ago because I specifically recall a bunch of the "stab your heccin Lich" crowd lamenting the loss of their EZ way to yeet other peoples Liches so they could get their own to spawn.
In any case if they didn't fully plug that hole they should certainly get on doing that because no one should be able to force despawn your Lich without at least opening it up to two finisher attempts by the owner. At which point the owner clearly has no interest in clearing the Lich and it should be culled from the game.
That second incident it sounds an awful lot like you where the toxic one, bullying another player into killing their Lich and denying extraction by proxy of friendship door. At which point I don't blame them for not wanting to help you, I would have sat there watching you die over and over again as well. Tho that does raise a question with the story, cause if you die doesn't your Lich despawn? sooooo hows that over and over work exactly?
The "They got their murmurs" has nothing to do with it because the predominant reason people don't want to level up their Lich has nothing to do with murmurs.....
All that time wasted.... by you.... when you could have simply hopped into another game and probably had your Lich spawn in 2min. You have no one to blame there for the lost time but yourself.
We, meaning I..., couldn't break the first bar. Even when I did I was too late in that attempt. Down hin a second time which then led to thr second bar. When I realized it took 12 minutes to do so, I decided ti abort because staying in a mission for 30 minutes is risky because of DC (I lose everything anyways.) and yhr fact that I could have finished this Lich off already twice over with a proper team of helpful players.
That Wisp player literally went after thralls my lich converted and ignored me to where I had no respawns left. Also his lich spawned right around the time the objective was complete, which diminishes thrall spawn anyways. But he didn't wanna listen. So he stayed in the mission and most likely extracted by hinself with all the thralls stacked by my lich and whatever eas gathered in the rest of the mission.
I missed out because the one thing I didn't need was more murmurs. So in the end the longer the mission took meant more loss to me. While the Wisp lost nothing in return.
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Update.
Just got Lich Greifed twice over.
1st incident was with a Revenant player on survival. One player's lich spawns and is desummoned by the Rev player. My lich spawns, ready to be vanquished mind you with mods all set in correct sequenced. The Rev player ignores my lich and again desummons him. His lich shows up and he gets his kill....
2nd Incident. Me and a Wisp player is Extermination. Wisp player's lich spawns in and is level 1. He does nothing to despawn his lich. Mind you this is right atyer my incident with a Revenant player, incident 1. I had to beg him to stab his lich so mine has a chance to spawn in. With the mission being a super quick Exterminate time is very mininal in spawning liches. Because he refused to stab his lich I was stuck downing his level 1 lich over and over again requesting for minutes on end to allow me to spawn my own. That way he can't get his conversions since he wanted to stop my progress.
He finally stabs his lich says nothing. My lich finally spawns, keep in mind this is at the end of my current hunt at the time so the Lich is level 5. I cannot down hin myself and the Wisp watches me die over and over and over again. We also cannot extract because of a door requiring two player imput. So I have hin trapped but he does nothing to aid me as I get slammed over and over. 10 minutes go by and I am forced to extract wasting my chance at vanquidhing said lich.
Keep in mind that Wisp still got his murmurs where I didn't need murmurs. He was trying to max his murmur gain and instead wasting so much time in being toxic and watching his teammate die when he could have helped for 10 20 seconds to help me defeat him and then move on.
So teamwork is a key thing here and big issue that turns around so quickly so long as you have a teamnate who does selfish gameplay.
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2 hours ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:
But it's not greifing in the slightist form
Tell that to the three players who laugh but stay silent in my instances. It's essentially and an immortal entity that can one shot frames.
Like trying to grief with a speednova is one thing but watching players die to your lich and unable to fight back is another.
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1 hour ago, Tyreaus said:
Please quote me where I did
When have you not? Try the other way first. Because I tried lich conversion.
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16 minutes ago, Tyreaus said:
Precisely what more would you have me do or say beyond the explanations and (personal) advice I have given?
Because I've gone out of my way to try them and you treat me like a liar.
Oh the irony... and I'm still curious as to what your average time to take out a lich from larva to vanquish is.
New toxic habit "Lich Greifing", Stab your lich please?
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You could say he's old and too cemented in his ways that it is hard for him to adjust to a system that resets his hard work.
Trust me my strongest weapons were melee. Now I feel lost.