GrosslyIncandescent1709
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Good. I just want to make it clear you can do that with any other warframe as well.
Now what makes you think Loki depends on speed more than his invisibility?
And what do you believe Rhino's role should be that makes you think hes unbalanced? Also inbalanced is not a real word, I believe the word you are looking for is imbalanced. :3
Rhino Prime has drawbacks of course, but drawbacks only exist when you compare them to other frames.
Rhino Prime's drawback is his Power Pool.
Now seriously though. Just what role do you think Rhino plays in the game?
his power pool is average, not low. and efficiency mods work out really well on rhino cause his iron skin is active until it's used up. stomp synergizes very well with maxed efficiency too, there's no detriment to it's function unlike on bastille for example. he got no disadvantages right now other than being a jack of all trades with no scaling specialisation.
Let's dive to the heart of the matter...
Why exactly is Rhino Prime's supposed speed a problem? What game altering affect does it potentially represent?
I'm not bashing, I am genuinely confused and curious...
You can PM me with that answer if you want so it's not fodder for an argument.
i don't want to argue, there's no need to worry about that. i'll repeat myself: rhino primes speed is NOT the problem. the interaction between rhino prime AND the vanguard helmet is the problem, making him faster than everyone except loki, while he has more than double the hit points, immunity to cc, a useful cc skill and a damage buff across the board, properly build even more powerful than m.prime. the game altering effect is that rhino prime currently is a frame with an aoe-nuke who's unkillable on every mission except defense/survival, and who's also the fastest frame, making him even worse than nova when it comes to rushing... which is the prevalent method of playing a large part of the game (invasions, capture, extermination, sabotage for example). also this counts for the average length of survival missions, rhino just works to well in them, negating the need to work in a team, which, in the end, is disadvantageous for the whole team (shared expirience, or the rather subjective thing that they just don't have fun).
also, mentioning the vanguard in masseffect... take a look at the juggernaut in ME3 and tell me rhino should be fast again.
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Because speed is useless other than being able to rush to a fallen ally who is dying on the other side of the map, and being able to keep up with the rest of the team.
Loki has speed but he is dependent on his invisibility more so than his speed am I right?
Speed has little to offer and barely changes anything. If you honestly think that Rhino being fast really makes a difference then you have not played Rhino enough to understand where his drawbacks truly lie in.
I also never said Rhino was the jack of all trades.
I made it clear that he is the Juggernaut.
Juggernauts are supposed to be fast as well as unstoppable.
Although what I don't understand is why you have such a huge problem with it.
you're not right about loki, at least not entirely. you can run loki 90% of the time without invisibility, it's just to get you out of sticky situations. when you're running a disarm build it's not even possible to stay invisible for longer periods.
and a frame being fast and unstoppable would be inbalanced, a frame being unstoppable by itself is the very definition of inbalanced. every other frame has drawbacks, things they need to take into consideration, except rhino prime of course.
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Which is my point.
This whole issue is a non-starter because it resolves nothing.
It's the equivalent of kids arguing over who got the larger dessert portion.
Nerfs solve nothing in this case. We are talking about a frame who can cross the length of a room by mastery rank 2.
Looking for drawbacks is likewise irrelevant. Rhino in the hands of a bad player is his own worst enemy and always has been.
Real topics for conversation would be normalizing speed for the slower frames like Frost and Saryn. Who have drawbacks aplenty without speed being among them.
normalizing speed would work if there were no helmet stats. the whole matter with rhino prime comes from the interaction between rhino prime AND vanguard, not rhino prime itself. and i'd even agree on the buff for rhino prime if there were no vanguard helmet.
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Have you seen Trinity in survival, shooting herself in the foot?
Have you seen her in defense?
Yet we're all fine with that. Does Trinity have drawbacks?
Yes but she certainly has a way to make up for it and so does every other warframe.
Rhino Prime is no different. Besides Trinity can survive longer than Rhino and Valkyr can tank damage better and she has more armor, Frost has his bubble shield which is now like Rhino's Iron Skin, only it can protect everyone, and he still has more dps and some form of cc still left even after the horrible nerf to his globe.
People need to realize Rhino has drawbacks.
why are you evading a simple question? i know trinity well, well enough to know that she can die easily on higher levels during blessings, and well enough to know that she needs a rework. would you please tell me now if you think 1,125 running speed was enough or rhino needed 1,25? i'm genuinly interested in your thoughts
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He does have a drawback.
I think you are forgetting about that or you are not really seeing it, because you are blinded by his speed statistics.
You aren't answering my previous reply to you post either.
Perhaps you are not getting my point.
point is, his drawbacks (being a jack of all trades but a master of none) are not noticeable until you start playing endless defense and survival, in every other mission type his supposedly drawbacks are nonexistant. i get your point, now would you please tell me if you think 1,125 running speed was sufficient or that the buff for rhino prime was needed? i'm interested in your oppinion
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What do you think Rhino is all about then?
Hmm?
If you say Rhino is a tank and is supposed to be slow, then get out of this thread. But if you have something else to say then go ahead.
But I'll just point something out right now, and that would be how Loki isn't a speed warframe, but rather made for stealth play and tricks.
Which is what Loki is and what he does.
In the future there will be a warframe that's completely speed based and will be far faster than Loki.
Yes you heard that right. The fastest Warframe is not Loki and it's not even out yet.
So you have no reason to complain. For Rhino and Loki and all the other warframes have drawbacks, it's just that you all assume them to play a certain role so they should have certain qualities akin to that role.
you don't get my point. i think rhino was already fast enough to perform his role perfectly fine without being unreasonable, i merely asked for your opinion. and if there's a faster frame than loki fine, as long as this frame got a reasonable drawback on his own.
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No offensive abilities.
See we all have our drawbacks.
Except Trinity is invincible.
she is broken right now, but she can still die when enemies become stronger during the blessing downtimes, happens but the enemies need to be really strong for this to happen.(unless you stack two blessings) not arguing against it however, she needs to be reworked.
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See plenty of drawbacks.
Plenty of frames have better everything and does things that Rhino can't do.
Everyone wanted Rhino to be slow because they assumed him to be a tank, but hes really a Juggernaut.
Hes not as tanky as Valkyr or Trinity because he is not a tank, but a Juggernaut.
Rhino is his own thing. Rhino Prime is an entirely different thing. They are not tanks. They are juggernauts.
I can guarantee you that you won't hear a Rhino player complain whenever another warframe gets a buff of some sort, because we simply don't care about you guys or any other warframe.
Really. Leave ours alone.
okay, but don't you agree that 1.125 running speed for the regular rhino with vanguard was enough? regular rhino is already the 4th fastest frame, only ash/nova/zephyr and loki are faster while ash is depicted as a meele frame, nova is a glass cannon, zephyr is all about mobility and loki is the frame with the lowest effective hitpoints.
Because players don't like Rhino... But he is one of the most visible frames in the game.
I personally don't think the extra bit of speed makes a difference and feel that frames like Frost and Saryn need their speed normalized to 1.0.
The argument for reduced speed used to be based around armor. Valkyr murdered that argument so there really isn't one, that I can see, now.
The big upside for Rhino Prime to me, isn't the supposed speed buff. I have a Prime and don't notice it... but I use Frost and Rhino a lot so I have gotten used to using copter weapons and parkouring to keep up with groups.
The big upside to me is the fact that the Thrak Helmet looks so good on it.
Regular Rhino looks a bit encephalitic with it on and it's my favorite helmet.
they could adjust vanguard to 15% speedbonus and leave rhino prime at 1.0, would fix the problem and would benefit players like you.
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Compared to what if we are comparing?
to the other frames.. they have drawbacks, you probably need to remember that.
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Loki enters.
Master Race frame disapproves.
that's not really useful for a discussion.
@Zarozian: if you want to go down that route fine, where should his disadvantage be in your opinion?
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K take Rhino speed away then when you run ahead of him and die and beg him to penguin waddle his slow &#! to res you and you die before he gets there and bust a revive or if your out of revives who are you gonna blame.
i'd deserve to die if i rush and get downed. that's a lame excuse for inbalance, really
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i could help you, mag prime... for the shield healing you need :P
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That would make sense if all warframes had identical abilities.
Rhinos are supposed to play a vanguard role, close in with the mobs and soak up damage. Its low range, damage based abilities leave little room for varied playstyle.
Soft warframes don't need to be particularly fast or faster than others, since they always hang out back anyway. As a tanker, Rhino is pretty bad at its job, because it is slower than everyone else. By the time it gets where it is supposed to be, the show's over.
As for speed being the "only" downside of Rhino. Really? How about borring? Tap diamond skin, tap the forward key, fire your gun. GG, you have just experienced 99% of what Rhino is about.
Whine. Whine never changes.
you're... you're one of those guys not comprehending that being fast as a tank is a major difference to being the fastest AND a tank right? those who argue against rhino prime being the fastest frame in the game simply posses common sense.
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nice concept, but his terrify shouldn't reduce damage taken and increase damage dealt but rather reduce armor and scare enemies like it does now, it's the more powerful effect(cc > all). also he could need 150 power, he's a caster, right?
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Edit: Think of it like this, Loki is still the fastest warframe, and yet, without proper use of cover or his skills he goes down like a sack of S#&$ in direct combat. Speed does not equal survivability.
that's the point, loki needs to use his speed and abilities in a clever way to survive, rhino just uses iron skin and runs off... bye everything 'cept loki who has to care about what's going on
Yes now loki won't have time to rush to the middle of the map and die, then be revived by the catching up rhino. I propose we teleport loki to the center of the map and sacrifice him at the beginning of every match.
maining loki doesn't make you a good player, maining rhino usually makes you a bad player however.
@everyone arguing in this thread that 0.1 running speed is no advantage: where's the problem with fixing it? where's the problem with bringing rhino prime in line with other primes or give him a buff that matches his describtion instead of one that removes his only disadvantage?
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It was changed to work like that.
You are not supposed to be able to tank your way through the out of oxygen scenario.
ironically, that's a scenario where rhino should excel... saving the mission when his team fails, even if it's just by extracting succesfully. but that's just my opinion
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So back up a bit and try to be more polite on the forums, telling people to "stfu" achieves nothing and frankly doesn't look very good.
okay, i'll apologize for the stfu, but claiming that i'm just getting worked up because i want my favorite toy to be better induces some serious rages, especially since i'm trying to find a middleground between hilariously fast and so slow that it's painful to even think about playing rhino. i'll repeat my proposal:
increase rhino/frost/frostprime and saryn's sprint speed to 1.0
decrease the speed buff on vanguard to 15%
would fix the whole thing and players could play rhino w/o vanguard and still retain a tolerable speed
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i'd love to use vacuum on shade, i love the way shade looks but i'm just that lazy, so i have to use carrier :/
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ASH IS NOT A TRASH IF U KNOW HOW TO PLAY WITH IT!
Ash is a stealth-deadly frame based on stealth abilities and deadly abilities!
If you're a fan of stealth or deadly gameplay 'ur choice is ash!
weren't you the guy asking for a hardcore challenge? ash wouldn't do well, he needs a rework
Ash is one of the only frames that doesn't revolve around his abilities. He can hold his own without energy much better than most frames in the game. Even with energy, he has great defensive stats(1290 max health) and great speed, meaning he can avoid damage and if necesary, take it too. Those combined with a deadly weapon( eg Dread built for crits) can make Ash more lethal than most other frames any day of the week
i'm quting this because you made a point, at least up to level 60 i'd say ash is one of the better frames, he's just focused on gunplay/meele and he lacks cc (unfortunately)
also to everyone arguing that loki is the master race, he's not. he's a viable frame in the hands of a player who knows what he's doing, but so is excalibur or nova. loki synergizes very well with almost every other frame, that's one of his biggest advantages over ash for example.
'#thereisnoMasterRace
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I knew or at least guessed the thread was about Rhino Prime. I was just trying to say that if you create a thread simply asking for a buff, you just look like a child wanting his favourite toy to be better.
i didn't even create this topic. now ask yourself, why do we have different frames? yes, they fill different roles. except rhino prime of course. he does everything. he's doing it even better than most frames. and that's the point. i don't want "my favorite toy" to be better, i want a reason to play anything except rhino and still have strengths over rhino. i like trinity for example a lot but i know her blessing is overpowered, i'm even admitting it. stop the ad hominem crap and point out something or stfu... please
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puncutre only causes you to deal less damage afaik... still, puncture is bad for valkyr, you're right at that
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Mastery Points
they're important until you reach rank 10
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didn't read the threat but i'm against reopening the prime access, you bought it when it was up and there's nothing inside that impacts gameplay, just vanity items. the only thing that was poorly implemented is excalibur prime, some people like him and they will never, ever get his prime.
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That's because it's been broken for a loooooong time. I think it was prior to Nekros or even before, that a Frost with Aurora and Steel Fiber was able to tank thru Grineer and Corpus alike, even high level mobs ( to a lesser degree).
Valkyr needs an armor revamp to be useful. (cough Armor 2.0 cough)
valkyr with a maxed steel fiber/warcry/vitality can take more punishment than rhino with every survival mod+ maxed iron skin... just saying
Rhino Is Not A Tank But A Juggernaut
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it's a problem because he's good at everything in the levelrange DE develops the game in, i really can't put it simpler